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my2hands

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

JC29856

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63etuVmHT6E

JC29856

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

are you only concerned with "american kids"?

josevolution

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

Better yet is he ready to send he's own family members off to war !

Gern Blansten

I can't believe Palin is being considered for something. Makes me fucking sick.

BS44325

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

"indifferent to genocide". GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK.

CM189191

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

BS44325

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

Nobody has argued that. In fact I have argued the opposite.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

"indifferent to genocide". GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK.

Nope. No break for the indifferent.

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

I know, I used to summer in Aleppo and sometimes took ski vacations in Afghanistan in the winters (the apres-ski scene in Kabul was to die for), but then Obama ruined everything.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

I know, I used to summer in Aleppo and sometimes took ski vacations in Afghanistan in the winters (the apres-ski scene in Kabul was to die for), but then Obama ruined everything.

It was ruined long before then.

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

"indifferent to genocide". GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK.

Nope. No break for the indifferent.

so you are a proponent of perpetual war then. got it.

dignin

Palin. Hahaha.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

I know, I used to summer in Aleppo and sometimes took ski vacations in Afghanistan in the winters (the apres-ski scene in Kabul was to die for), but then Obama ruined everything.

It was ruined long before then.

I was joking. Of course it was ruined long before then. That was actually my point.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

"indifferent to genocide". GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK.

Nope. No break for the indifferent.

so you are a proponent of perpetual war then. got it.

I'm a proponent of perpetual peace. Peace is guaranteed through strength.

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

Palin. Hahaha.

it was only a matter of time before that fucking idiot handed her something.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Not the first genocide and not the last... not the first civil war and not the last... not the first disgusting behavior by the uman race and not the last

You think America, our tax dollars, and our youth should be the world police? American military presence with boots on the ground in every major world conflict?

I've listened to hawks like John McCain call for Obama to stay in Afghanistan, stay in Iraq, go into Syria, intervene in Crimea, etc, etc, etc...and then blame Obama for every world problem

It's total bullshit and I'm fucking sick of it

Go play Risk if you want to be an armchair general, that way no American kids get killed

I know you are sick and tired of it. Obama was sick and tired of it as well. That is why he made the foreign policy decisions he made and that is why the vacuum came to be. As long as you are aware that those decisions come with terrible consequences then so be it. Others on here argue that all is good...that Obama's decisons were consequence free. At least you admit to being indifferent to genocide. That type of honesty is a breath of fresh air.

Seriously, it's like people don't remember how peaceful the Middle East was before Obama founded ISIS.

No kidding.

The starting pitcher gives up eight runs in the first four innings... gets mercifully pulled... and the fans blame the relief pitcher for the 10-4 loss.

Halifax2TheMax

Only a neocon like BS would try to convince you that progress hasn't been made by withdrawing US troops from Iraq and subsequently going back in with support of a much lighter US footprint, in the form of special forces and trainers and encouraging the Iraqi's to fight for their country than his proclaimed hard and heavy occupation of 170,000+ that he's advocated for. Question is, will Trump invade Iraq? Iran? and/or Syria to eradicate ISIS and radical Islam as he promised to do? If not, how will he keep his campaign promise?

Comparing Iraqi civilian deaths in the 6 years of the Bush Administration to the 6 and 8 years of the Obama Administration, we can see that progress was made:

2003-2008 Bush: 105,934
2009-2014 Obama: 48,341. Add 2015 and 2016 under Obama: 81,007. Still a difference of 24,927.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/

IMHO, even one Iraqi death is too many for a war that wasn't necessary, started under false pretenses and was poorly executed.

Lets take a look at US casualties while were at it:

2003-2008 Bush: 4,222
2009-2012 Obama: 264

And the drain on the US Treasury:

2003-2008 Bush: $589.3 Billion
2009-2012 Obama: $218.1 Billion

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269827/iraq-war-spending-and-number-us-soldier-fatalities/

Remove either the first two or last two years from the Bush years and the casualties and cost to the treasury are still more under Bush.

Now, who's decision came with more terrible consequences both immediate and in the aftermath? And who opened Pandora's Box or started the "controlled burn" as you so pleasantly referred to waging war on innocents?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Halifax2TheMax said:

Only a neocon like BS would try to convince you that progress hasn't been made by withdrawing US troops from Iraq and subsequently going back in with support of a much lighter US footprint, in the form of special forces and trainers and encouraging the Iraqi's to fight for their country than his proclaimed hard and heavy occupation of 170,000+ that he's advocated for. Question is, will Trump invade Iraq? Iran? and/or Syria to eradicate ISIS and radical Islam as he promised to do? If not, how will he keep his campaign promise?

Comparing Iraqi civilian deaths in the 6 years of the Bush Administration to the 6 and 8 years of the Obama Administration, we can see that progress was made:

2003-2008 Bush: 105,934
2009-2014 Obama: 48,341. Add 2015 and 2016 under Obama: 81,007. Still a difference of 24,927.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/

IMHO, even one Iraqi death is too many for a war that wasn't necessary, started under false pretenses and was poorly executed.

Lets take a look at US casualties while were at it:

2003-2008 Bush: 4,222
2009-2012 Obama: 264

And the drain on the US Treasury:

2003-2008 Bush: $589.3 Billion
2009-2012 Obama: $218.1 Billion

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269827/iraq-war-spending-and-number-us-soldier-fatalities/

Remove either the first two or last two years from the Bush years and the casualties and cost to the treasury are still more under Bush.

Now, who's decision came with more terrible consequences both immediate and in the aftermath? And who opened Pandora's Box or started the "controlled burn" as you so pleasantly referred to waging war on innocents?

And... to boot... this little ditty which is the smoking gun for the entire fiasco.