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I don't give a shit how wrong he was about the election. pretty much everyone was.JC29856 said:
Adam Hodge, DC insider, Obama #1 fanboy who couldn't have been more wrong about the 2016 elections up and down the ballots state to state is another one who now knows everything.HughFreakingDillon said:http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-washington-movers/index.html
So much for draining the swamp. Nominating Steve Mnuchin to be Treasury Secretary -- a billionaire hedge fund manager and Goldman Sachs alumnus who preyed on homeowners struggling during the recession -- is a slap in the face to voters who hoped he would shake up Washington," said Democratic National Committee spokesman Adam Hodge in a statement. "Trump is already heading into office as the most corrupt, conflicted, and unpopular president-elect in history, and now he's breaking his signature promise to the voters who elected him."
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there is no genius here.BS44325 said:
Not everybody knows. Trump tweets a position similar to one that Hillary Clinton previously took and then people show up to burn flags outside trump tower. He will probably never push for the policy he tweeted about but he makes the left over react and sandbag themselves. I actually agree with you on the speech issue but in the end it's the left that looks insane burning the flag. That is Trump's genius. Do the dems want to be the party of flag burners? I don't think so but that's how they come across. Next time they should not take the bait.HughFreakingDillon said:
everyone knows this is a distraction. the fact you believe that anyone believes his bullshit speaks volumes. he can troll all he wants. all it does is ring the alarm bells about what he's actually doing. he's a fucking idiot.BS44325 said:
They voted for somebody to effectively troll the left while governing and it is amazing how it just keeps on working.HughFreakingDillon said:so he accuses HRC of trying to strip americans of their second ammendment rights during the campaign. now he wants to jail people or even strip them of their citizenship for something that is protected under the FIRST ammendment.
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The real conflict of interest is in where Trump receives his funding and bank loans and the investors in his projects. Something his tax returns would reveal. BCCI anyone? Not that the average Trump voter could explain or understand what a conflict of interest is.
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your second paragraph really has to be the dumbest thing trump supporters actually believe (and it seems many of them do). it amounts to trying to kill a ghost.Halifax2TheMax said:The real conflict of interest is in where Trump receives his funding and bank loans and the investors in his projects. Something his tax returns would reveal. BCCI anyone? Not that the average Trump voter could explain or understand what a conflict of interest is.
Please let me know when ISIS and radical Islam have been eradicated and when America is great again. The clock starts ticking on January 20th.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Not when the white privileged class sees what they want to do to their government benefits, namely social security and Medicare. Throw in the red southern states that get more than they give in government largess and you won't see super majorities in either house. And what great policies or legislation did the republicans formulate over the past 8 years, seeing how you think the Dems were bereft of ideas?BS44325 said:
It really is crazy. The dems have imploded and learned absolutely nothing. The average age of republican congressional leadership is 47 while the average age of democratic congressional leadership is 76. They are old, tired and completely out of ideas and have decided that their party would best be served by Keith Ellison and another dose of San Francisco liberalism. The republicans could have a supermajority in the senate in a few years.PJPOWER said:Man, just when I was starting to believe some of this rhetoric about republicans being the crazy flock, I read that the democrats just reelected Nancy Pelosi as their leader. Trump may actually pull off 8 years!
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Is it possible to dispute a campaign promise 50 days before inauguration?HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't give a shit how wrong he was about the election. pretty much everyone was.JC29856 said:
Adam Hodge, DC insider, Obama #1 fanboy who couldn't have been more wrong about the 2016 elections up and down the ballots state to state is another one who now knows everything.HughFreakingDillon said:http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-washington-movers/index.html
So much for draining the swamp. Nominating Steve Mnuchin to be Treasury Secretary -- a billionaire hedge fund manager and Goldman Sachs alumnus who preyed on homeowners struggling during the recession -- is a slap in the face to voters who hoped he would shake up Washington," said Democratic National Committee spokesman Adam Hodge in a statement. "Trump is already heading into office as the most corrupt, conflicted, and unpopular president-elect in history, and now he's breaking his signature promise to the voters who elected him."
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I agree especially if the standard to which Trumps campaign promises are met are measured against Bush and Obama.BS44325 said:
He has created extremely low expectations for success and the left helped him with that. His "promises" are very loosely defined and his base knows that he is not-ideological. He will be judged on results and results alone. Much slack will be given to him provided his voters feel things are moving in the right direction. The "promise" checklist will not be a problem for him.HughFreakingDillon said:he trolled the right, and handily. it got him elected on promises he can never deliver on.
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Won how? Trump still has significant conflicts of interest that have already shown signs of corruption, pay to play, kick backs and other incentives. Welcome to the new kleptocracy.Jason P said:
I guess that is your way to justify winning a debate dual. (note: i winCM189191 said:
Sorry, you don't get to play the "b-b-b-but Hillary" card anymore. Put that one back in the deck.Jason P said:
Don't get me wrong. They are coming back to kiss the ring. Kind of like when all the Lords of the North refused to back the bastard of Winterfell and then ended up bending the knee to Jon Snow, King of the North, after he won the battle of the bastards. Romney of all people is breaking bread with the clown.CM189191 said:
Really? Who do you think the donors are that will shore up those loans now? Who do you think is paying for his victory tour?Jason P said:
Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.CM189191 said:
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.Jason P said:
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.Go Beavers said:
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.Jason P said:
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.dignin said:
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.JC29856 said:
What do you suggest he do?dignin said:
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.benjs said:Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.
Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.
Hillary has been an inside fix since the day she backed out of the democratic primary against Obama and cut a deal to be Secretary of State.
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CM189191 said:
Won how? Trump still has significant conflicts of interest that have already shown signs of corruption, pay to play, kick backs and other incentives. Welcome to the new kleptocracy.Jason P said:
I guess that is your way to justify winning a debate dual. (note: i winCM189191 said:
Sorry, you don't get to play the "b-b-b-but Hillary" card anymore. Put that one back in the deck.Jason P said:
Don't get me wrong. They are coming back to kiss the ring. Kind of like when all the Lords of the North refused to back the bastard of Winterfell and then ended up bending the knee to Jon Snow, King of the North, after he won the battle of the bastards. Romney of all people is breaking bread with the clown.CM189191 said:
Really? Who do you think the donors are that will shore up those loans now? Who do you think is paying for his victory tour?Jason P said:
Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.CM189191 said:
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.Jason P said:
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.Go Beavers said:
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.Jason P said:
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.dignin said:
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.JC29856 said:
What do you suggest he do?dignin said:
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.benjs said:Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.
Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.
Hillary has been an inside fix since the day she backed out of the democratic primary against Obama and cut a deal to be Secretary of State. )
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Wow, that's incredibly naive. You've been fooled. He is apart of the very establishment you thought you voting against. You think he doesn't owe anyone? Why in the hell do you think he picked Bannon as his top aide?Jason P said:
Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.CM189191 said:
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.Jason P said:
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.Go Beavers said:
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.Jason P said:
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.dignin said:
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.JC29856 said:
What do you suggest he do?dignin said:
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.benjs said:Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.
Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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Its really hard to believe people can be that fooled by an obvious con artist.BS44325 said:
They voted for somebody to effectively troll the left while governing and it is amazing how it just keeps on working.HughFreakingDillon said:so he accuses HRC of trying to strip americans of their second ammendment rights during the campaign. now he wants to jail people or even strip them of their citizenship for something that is protected under the FIRST ammendment.
this is the fuck you people voted for?will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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You forgot angry, uneducated, and uninformedDegeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
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It is mind boggling how Hilliary lost to a relative unknown black male in the 08 primary on the simple and vague promise of "hope and change" then got trounced 306-232 in this years general by Trump with all his baggage and his message of wall building and swamp draining.Degeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
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Here's 27 pages of the vague promises Obama made while campaigning:JC29856 said:
It is mind boggling how Hilliary lost to a relative unknown black male in the 08 primary on the simple and vague promise of "hope and change" then got trounced 306-232 in this years general by Trump with all his baggage and his message of wall building and swamp draining.Degeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/
Meanwhile, Trump can't fart without contradicting himself, flip-flopping, or outright lying. Usually all 3 at once.Post edited by CM189191 on0 -
when this particular promise actually happens right after the election and way before inauguration, um, yeah.JC29856 said:
Is it possible to dispute a campaign promise 50 days before inauguration?HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't give a shit how wrong he was about the election. pretty much everyone was.JC29856 said:
Adam Hodge, DC insider, Obama #1 fanboy who couldn't have been more wrong about the 2016 elections up and down the ballots state to state is another one who now knows everything.HughFreakingDillon said:http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-washington-movers/index.html
So much for draining the swamp. Nominating Steve Mnuchin to be Treasury Secretary -- a billionaire hedge fund manager and Goldman Sachs alumnus who preyed on homeowners struggling during the recession -- is a slap in the face to voters who hoped he would shake up Washington," said Democratic National Committee spokesman Adam Hodge in a statement. "Trump is already heading into office as the most corrupt, conflicted, and unpopular president-elect in history, and now he's breaking his signature promise to the voters who elected him."
care to dispute what he said?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
after 8 years 96% of obama voters couldn't name 3 campaign promises other than obamacare which was national romneycare!CM189191 said:
Here's 27 pages of the vague promises Obama made while campaigning:JC29856 said:
It is mind boggling how Hilliary lost to a relative unknown black male in the 08 primary on the simple and vague promise of "hope and change" then got trounced 306-232 in this years general by Trump with all his baggage and his message of wall building and swamp draining.Degeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/
Meanwhile, Trump can't fart without contradicting himself, flip-flopping, or outright lying. Usually all 3 at once.0 -
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Wait a second...JC29856 said:
after 8 years 96% of obama voters couldn't name 3 campaign promises other than obamacare which was national romneycare!CM189191 said:
Here's 27 pages of the vague promises Obama made while campaigning:JC29856 said:
It is mind boggling how Hilliary lost to a relative unknown black male in the 08 primary on the simple and vague promise of "hope and change" then got trounced 306-232 in this years general by Trump with all his baggage and his message of wall building and swamp draining.Degeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/
Meanwhile, Trump can't fart without contradicting himself, flip-flopping, or outright lying. Usually all 3 at once.
wait... one... second.
You're actually coming to Trump's defence. You're authentically a supporter.
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JC29856 said:
after 8 years 96% of obama voters couldn't name 3 campaign promises other than obamacare which was national romneycare!CM189191 said:
Here's 27 pages of the vague promises Obama made while campaigning:JC29856 said:
It is mind boggling how Hilliary lost to a relative unknown black male in the 08 primary on the simple and vague promise of "hope and change" then got trounced 306-232 in this years general by Trump with all his baggage and his message of wall building and swamp draining.Degeneratefk said:I guess it's not that hard to believe considering g how many racist and sexist people there are in this country.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/
Meanwhile, Trump can't fart without contradicting himself, flip-flopping, or outright lying. Usually all 3 at once.
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