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This isn't about Hillary. She is not the only person to draw a judgment. To try and justify what Trump did by drawing comparisons to an ex-president is absurd. If that's Trump's best defense, he's cooked.mcgruff10 said:
I realize Bill is not running for president but Hillary Clinton has no right to make moral judgements about how his treatment of women should disqualify him to be president.Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing0 -
I agree with you 100%. I don't see how trump recovers from this one but again, I don't see the big deal. That's me. I think if you were voting for Trump you are still voting for Trump. If you were voting for Hillary you are still voting for Hillary.Cliffy6745 said:
Okay, so even if Hillary doesn't have ground to stand on, I don't get why she doesn't but I'll play along, the rest of the country sure as fuck can judge his comments and whether it disqualifies him from being president. And it seems like that is just what is happeningmcgruff10 said:
I realize Bill is not running for president but Hillary Clinton has no right to make moral judgements about how his treatment of women should disqualify him to be president.Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothingI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
You don't believe Bill cheated on Hillary while in office?rgambs said:BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
The big difference is that Bill's actions are accusations without actionable evidence and Trump's words are admission straight from his mouth.BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
I'm not saying the accusations against Bill are to be ignored entirely, but there is a difference between unproven accusations and admitting guilt in a bragging manner.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
For sure but why put him out on the campaign trail and why does the party and/or private institutions keep inviting him to speak with authority. He should be outcasted instead of lionized. The democratic party rehabilitated his image and yet now wants to act with outrage towards Trump. Can't we stop defending these people?Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing0 -
Ok man I'm done here with you on this convo , let me just ask your ok if these comments were directed at someone in your family..mcgruff10 said:
I haven't watched the video yet, I've only read what he says. How exactly is he promoting it? By saying if you are a big star you can do what you want?josevolution said:
Damn dude his promoting it !! How can you not hear that in the video let me tell you something, My wife works with the police dept here on Long Island she's a forensic nurse on rape cases and when she watched the video she immediately said to me he's actually promoting sexual assault!!!!mcgruff10 said:this is sexual assault?
"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything," Trump says.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
My mother-in-law is a retired teacher who desperately wants to not vote for Clinton, but she desperately wants Trump to show as much class as a middle schooler...after this, she may take the plunge and vote Clinton.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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I clearly just said I wouldn't be ok with it. Please read the argument. We shouldn't be ok with the behaviour of either individual. People have normalized Bill with time. The actions of both are wrong.josevolution said:
Really so if you heard a guy say that about your daughter or wife or sister you're be ok with that... So now your pissed that Bill got away with it and that Hillary forgave him or gave him a 2nd chance or what ever you wanna call it because a Trump video has leaked that will be the end of him ?BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing0 -
I was asking an honest question and you already know the answer to the question you just presented to me.josevolution said:
Ok man I'm done here with you on this convo , let me just ask your ok if these comments were directed at someone in your family..mcgruff10 said:
I haven't watched the video yet, I've only read what he says. How exactly is he promoting it? By saying if you are a big star you can do what you want?josevolution said:
Damn dude his promoting it !! How can you not hear that in the video let me tell you something, My wife works with the police dept here on Long Island she's a forensic nurse on rape cases and when she watched the video she immediately said to me he's actually promoting sexual assault!!!!mcgruff10 said:this is sexual assault?
"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything," Trump says.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Yeah, I do, but cheating isn't sexual assault.mcgruff10 said:
You don't believe Bill cheated on Hillary while in office?rgambs said:BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
The big difference is that Bill's actions are accusations without actionable evidence and Trump's words are admission straight from his mouth.BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
I'm not saying the accusations against Bill are to be ignored entirely, but there is a difference between unproven accusations and admitting guilt in a bragging manner.
Duh.
Grabbing a woman's crotch without permission is sexual assault.
I can't believe you don't understand that...are you deliberately being obtuse?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I don't think any hardcore trump voters will change their mind but the republican suburban women who are begging for a reason to vote for him are out the windowmcgruff10 said:
I agree with you 100%. I don't see how trump recovers from this one but again, I don't see the big deal. That's me. I think if you were voting for Trump you are still voting for Trump. If you were voting for Hillary you are still voting for Hillary.Cliffy6745 said:
Okay, so even if Hillary doesn't have ground to stand on, I don't get why she doesn't but I'll play along, the rest of the country sure as fuck can judge his comments and whether it disqualifies him from being president. And it seems like that is just what is happeningmcgruff10 said:
I realize Bill is not running for president but Hillary Clinton has no right to make moral judgements about how his treatment of women should disqualify him to be president.Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
And I have to get on with my day but I'll just finish off by saying that just because someone says a women lets you do something to them doesn't mean they want or are comfortable with it. I am pretty sure Bill Cosby's defense is that they let him do it.0 -
Remember he said some words...is there any evidence that he actually did this or is it just "locker room talk"? People say stupid shit to impress others, it doesn't mean it's actually true.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't think any hardcore trump voters will change their mind but the republican suburban women who are begging for a reason to vote for him are out the windowmcgruff10 said:
I agree with you 100%. I don't see how trump recovers from this one but again, I don't see the big deal. That's me. I think if you were voting for Trump you are still voting for Trump. If you were voting for Hillary you are still voting for Hillary.Cliffy6745 said:
Okay, so even if Hillary doesn't have ground to stand on, I don't get why she doesn't but I'll play along, the rest of the country sure as fuck can judge his comments and whether it disqualifies him from being president. And it seems like that is just what is happeningmcgruff10 said:
I realize Bill is not running for president but Hillary Clinton has no right to make moral judgements about how his treatment of women should disqualify him to be president.Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
And I have to get on with my day but I'll just finish off by saying that just because someone says a women lets you do something to them doesn't mean they want or are comfortable with it. I am pretty sure Bill Cosby's defense is that they let him do it.
Have a great day bud, I get to go coach my sons soccer game. Good times.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
You are 100% correct but I think a lot of this comes down too is how much credibility does one give to Juanita Broaddrick and the others. They are alleged charges and of course one is innocent until proven guilty but after looking at all the "facts" and Bill's pattern of admitted behaviour are you one to see Bill as an "abuser" of women or not? With total irrelevance to Hillary's political career I personally see him as an "abuser" and I think if she wasn't running for office most of you would think the same. If you're outraged by Trump's words then you should be outraged by Bill's actions regardless of how that might reflect upon Hillary's candidacy.rgambs said:
Yeah, I do, but cheating isn't sexual assault.mcgruff10 said:
You don't believe Bill cheated on Hillary while in office?rgambs said:BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
The big difference is that Bill's actions are accusations without actionable evidence and Trump's words are admission straight from his mouth.BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
I'm not saying the accusations against Bill are to be ignored entirely, but there is a difference between unproven accusations and admitting guilt in a bragging manner.
Duh.
Grabbing a woman's crotch without permission is sexual assault.
I can't believe you don't understand that...are you deliberately being obtuse?0 -
I think most people have come to terms with Bill's issues, regardless of her run for presidency. People that lived through the 90's now remember the economic boom, relative peace (Bosnia aside), good job, etc. Does anyone really care about Monica anymore?BS44325 said:
You are 100% correct but I think a lot of this comes down too is how much credibility does one give to Juanita Broaddrick and the others. They are alleged charges and of course one is innocent until proven guilty but after looking at all the "facts" and Bill's pattern of admitted behaviour are you one to see Bill as an "abuser" of women or not? With total irrelevance to Hillary's political career I personally see him as an "abuser" and I think if she wasn't running for office most of you would think the same. If you're outraged by Trump's words then you should be outraged by Bill's actions regardless of how that might reflect upon Hillary's candidacy.rgambs said:
Yeah, I do, but cheating isn't sexual assault.mcgruff10 said:
You don't believe Bill cheated on Hillary while in office?rgambs said:BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
The big difference is that Bill's actions are accusations without actionable evidence and Trump's words are admission straight from his mouth.BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
I'm not saying the accusations against Bill are to be ignored entirely, but there is a difference between unproven accusations and admitting guilt in a bragging manner.
Duh.
Grabbing a woman's crotch without permission is sexual assault.
I can't believe you don't understand that...are you deliberately being obtuse?0 -
There was a woman years ago who claimed he grabbed her by the crotch but nobody believed her. Seems like it isn't a coincidence since that is an unorthodox move.mcgruff10 said:
Remember he said some words...is there any evidence that he actually did this or is it just "locker room talk"? People say stupid shit to impress others, it doesn't mean it's actually true.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't think any hardcore trump voters will change their mind but the republican suburban women who are begging for a reason to vote for him are out the windowmcgruff10 said:
I agree with you 100%. I don't see how trump recovers from this one but again, I don't see the big deal. That's me. I think if you were voting for Trump you are still voting for Trump. If you were voting for Hillary you are still voting for Hillary.Cliffy6745 said:
Okay, so even if Hillary doesn't have ground to stand on, I don't get why she doesn't but I'll play along, the rest of the country sure as fuck can judge his comments and whether it disqualifies him from being president. And it seems like that is just what is happeningmcgruff10 said:
I realize Bill is not running for president but Hillary Clinton has no right to make moral judgements about how his treatment of women should disqualify him to be president.Cliffy6745 said:
Bill is not running for presidentBS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
And I have to get on with my day but I'll just finish off by saying that just because someone says a women lets you do something to them doesn't mean they want or are comfortable with it. I am pretty sure Bill Cosby's defense is that they let him do it.
Have a great day bud, I get to go coach my sons soccer game. Good times.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
But isn't there a way to do both without elevating him as some great man of american politics? He should be relegated to the sidelines. The media shouldn't seek him out. He shouldn't speak on the campaign trail.mrussel1 said:
I think most people have come to terms with Bill's issues, regardless of her run for presidency. People that lived through the 90's now remember the economic boom, relative peace (Bosnia aside), good job, etc. Does anyone really care about Monica anymore?BS44325 said:
You are 100% correct but I think a lot of this comes down too is how much credibility does one give to Juanita Broaddrick and the others. They are alleged charges and of course one is innocent until proven guilty but after looking at all the "facts" and Bill's pattern of admitted behaviour are you one to see Bill as an "abuser" of women or not? With total irrelevance to Hillary's political career I personally see him as an "abuser" and I think if she wasn't running for office most of you would think the same. If you're outraged by Trump's words then you should be outraged by Bill's actions regardless of how that might reflect upon Hillary's candidacy.rgambs said:
Yeah, I do, but cheating isn't sexual assault.mcgruff10 said:
You don't believe Bill cheated on Hillary while in office?rgambs said:BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
The big difference is that Bill's actions are accusations without actionable evidence and Trump's words are admission straight from his mouth.BS44325 said:
It has nothing to do with Hillary but you can't say it has nothing to do with Bill. Bill has committed actions worse then Trumps words. Trump's words are disgusting and Bill's actions are disgusting. Do not try to split hairs. Those who are bashing Trump on this now should come to realize why some of us have been bashing Bill for all these years and yet you keep him on a pedestal? It is that line of thinking that makes no sense.Cliffy6745 said:
I'd hope that someone who is helping to develop the kids of his country doesn't fucking condone sexual assault...mcgruff10 said:
What does being a teacher have to do with this?Cliffy6745 said:
You really think it's okay for people to talk about touching other people without their permission? There were no beers involved. Aren't you a teacher? What the fuck is wrong with you?mcgruff10 said:
Since when aren't sixty year old men allowed to talk like this? Give me a break. It was a private conversation from 11 years ago amongst friends probably after a few beers.Cliffy6745 said:
Well for one it was a private conversation and two, you know 60 year olds that talk about grabbing pussies unsolicited? That's kind of creepy, no?mcgruff10 said:
It s a public conversation from 11 years ago when he wasn't even running for president. Every guy that I ve ever known talks like this. I m not seeing the big deal about this.rgambs said:
You could teach her that that's a choice you hope she never has to make, but it's her choice to make and nobody else's business.mcgruff10 said:
So instead I should teach my daughter that when your husband cheats on you numerous times with different women you should stay married to him? got ya.crowes74 said:Anyone with a daughter should be ashamed to vote for this fool IMO. Just one more reason piled upon many other missteps from the so called GOP leader. This whole election has made me really wonder what the hell is happening with this country, are we really this lost?
If she is the cheater, wouldn't you hope she has the opportunity for forgiveness?? Or is this a sexist thing where only men cheat like filthy dogs and they should never be forgiven?
Women cheat too, and sometimes when they do, their husbands, fiances, or boyfriends forgive them and stay with them. Some truly great relationships are built on the forgiveness of mistakes.
I'm not necessarily saying that's the Clintons, but there is a teachable lesson there, what is the lesson to be taught from Trump's comments?
It was a private conversation from 11 years ago!
Jose, you re telling me bill is an angel?
Dude, this has nothing to do with Bill...nothing
I'm not saying the accusations against Bill are to be ignored entirely, but there is a difference between unproven accusations and admitting guilt in a bragging manner.
Duh.
Grabbing a woman's crotch without permission is sexual assault.
I can't believe you don't understand that...are you deliberately being obtuse?0 -
Just watched CNN try to talk to michelle bachman about the drumpf tape. She ignored every question and tried to blame everything on Hillary Clinton.
Just another ignorant arse defending drumpf.0 -
what did you expect? that is politics 101. If roles were reversed the clinton team would be doing the same exact thing.Bentleyspop said:Just watched CNN try to talk to michelle bachman about the drumpf tape. She ignored every question and tried to blame everything on Hillary Clinton.
Just another ignorant arse defending drumpf.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
this changes very little, if anything. I simply cannot buy that someone who is still supporting trump at this stage, after everything he has said and done, and all of a sudden thinking "wow, I can deal with the racism and hate, but misogyny is going too far!". If anything, they identify with him even more. They are jealous they cant just go out and grab some bush any time they want like him.
"Boys will be boys, right?" Said all the women who take a slap on the ass from their boss as a compliment.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Maybe notmcgruff10 said:
what did you expect? that is politics 101. If roles were reversed the clinton team would be doing the same exact thing.Bentleyspop said:Just watched CNN try to talk to michelle bachman about the drumpf tape. She ignored every question and tried to blame everything on Hillary Clinton.
Just another ignorant arse defending drumpf.
They tried to ask her questions as a mother, not a politician, and all she wanted to do was go on about this was all Hillary Clintons fault.
As a woman, and a mother, she should in no way be defending or supporting drumpf.
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And there you have it folks.
Trump voters will still vote for Trump.
He was sickening before this latest tape and now he is just deplorable, well below basic human decency.0
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