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right? I love the ads I'm getting today...all caps TRUMP WON , like if you shout it, it becomes true.The Juggler said:
So much of what he said just didn't make sense or were outright lies.
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Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?0 -
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Whats their involvement? Personal involvement?mrussel1 said:
Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?0 -
You gave the easy answer but what's RM personal involvement?Halifax2TheMax said:Rupert Murdoch, hello?
So you think Hearst, Redstone, Ergen, Cox are household names?
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Yellow Journalism? You don't remember learning that in high school or college? http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Just do a ctrl-F on Hearst for his involvement. He was also very instrumental in leading America into the Spanish-American war, trumping up the charge of the sinking of the Maine. http://www.spanamwar.com/Hearst.htmJC29856 said:
Whats their involvement? Personal involvement?mrussel1 said:
Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?
Newspapers have always been the arms of either political parties, politicians or businessmen. This is why I don't rant and rave about bias in the media. We've never had unbiased media and I have no expectation of it.0 -
I don't remember much from high school or college.mrussel1 said:
Yellow Journalism? You don't remember learning that in high school or college? http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Just do a ctrl-F on Hearst for his involvement. He was also very instrumental in leading America into the Spanish-American war, trumping up the charge of the sinking of the Maine. http://www.spanamwar.com/Hearst.htmJC29856 said:
Whats their involvement? Personal involvement?mrussel1 said:
Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?
Newspapers have always been the arms of either political parties, politicians or businessmen. This is why I don't rant and rave about bias in the media. We've never had unbiased media and I have no expectation of it.0 -
Fair enough. But I didn't make any of that shit up. Newspapers are owned by people. Those people are wealthy and those wealthy people want to advance their interests. They did it through the most effective way available, mass communication. As the brilliant poet David Byrne said... Same as it ever was...JC29856 said:
I don't remember much from high school or college.mrussel1 said:
Yellow Journalism? You don't remember learning that in high school or college? http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Just do a ctrl-F on Hearst for his involvement. He was also very instrumental in leading America into the Spanish-American war, trumping up the charge of the sinking of the Maine. http://www.spanamwar.com/Hearst.htmJC29856 said:
Whats their involvement? Personal involvement?mrussel1 said:
Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?
Newspapers have always been the arms of either political parties, politicians or businessmen. This is why I don't rant and rave about bias in the media. We've never had unbiased media and I have no expectation of it.0 -
Wasn't Hearst very heavily involved in the red scare in Hollywood?0
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~shocked~JC29856 said:
I don't remember much from high school or college.mrussel1 said:
Yellow Journalism? You don't remember learning that in high school or college? http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Just do a ctrl-F on Hearst for his involvement. He was also very instrumental in leading America into the Spanish-American war, trumping up the charge of the sinking of the Maine. http://www.spanamwar.com/Hearst.htmJC29856 said:
Whats their involvement? Personal involvement?mrussel1 said:
Really? The Hearst's did not want to be involved in politics? They used their newspapers completely as organs for their political beliefs. William Hearst is almost personally responsible for weed being illegal in this country, shilling for Dupont and maybe for his own timber holdings.JC29856 said:
I'm thinking the last thing media moguls want is to get involved in politics. Or at least appear to not be involved.PJ_Soul said:
He'd have massive political power and access to all the political corruption that goes on, which is extremely useful and very attractive to those who he needs/wants in his corner to facilitate such endeavors, not to mention the political and media legitimacy with the masses (right now he's just a reality TV personality). Were you thinking that being POTUS doesn't provide people with any business perks?JC29856 said:
Okay...what precludes him from building the media empire while trump? what helps him build the media empire by being potus?PJ_Soul said:
How so? Building a media empire isn't the same as just getting rich through speaking engagements and investments. The word "media" is also a pretty important distinction. If you think anyone who is both rich and becomes President has built an empire, well... okay. That's fine. Perhaps there is something to that, although it doesn't seem to me that Hillary has a conscious goal of building some kind of personal empire outside of growing a powerful political career (and btw, I have no illusions about Hillary. I think 95% of politicians are basically power-hungry dickheads who are inclined towards corruption, to one degree or another, and Hillary is no exception). But I thought we were talking about Trump's motivations? I think building a media empire is one of them.JC29856 said:
I would put personal empire building in the Hilliary column.PJ_Soul said:
That, and he thinks it will help him build his media empire (which it will).rgambs said:
A giant ego that requires a permanent spotlight.JC29856 said:
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues.rgambs said:I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
How many know who the Hearst's are, Redstone, Ergen, Cox?
Newspapers have always been the arms of either political parties, politicians or businessmen. This is why I don't rant and rave about bias in the media. We've never had unbiased media and I have no expectation of it.0 -
They are in educated households with a certain age demographic. You don't think that RM and more likely now his son doesn't personally dictate the message for his editorial boards and that politicians or their representatives or folks who are considering jumping into the political fray don't meet with RM or his representatives seeking endorsements? Media empires are built for a reason. And it's not because folks like RM have a fondness for the smell of newsprint.JC29856 said:
You gave the easy answer but what's RM personal involvement?Halifax2TheMax said:Rupert Murdoch, hello?
So you think Hearst, Redstone, Ergen, Cox are household names?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Possible, but I don't recall that. He was born in 1860's, so would have been almost 90 during that post war period.ledvedderman said:Wasn't Hearst very heavily involved in the red scare in Hollywood?
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Let's make America sniff again
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Let's make it stiff again too, dammit.The Juggler said:Let's make America sniff again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3616140065&feature=iv&src_vid=5BJjUv_TD2E&v=5TBsoYp33WY
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Just watched a piece on CNN where they interviewed drumpf supporters waiting in line to see him speak in Melbourne, Fl.
They ALL came across as ignorant crackers
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Saw that. Scary stuffBentleyspop said:Just watched a piece on CNN where they interviewed drumpf supporters waiting in line to see him speak in Melbourne, Fl.
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Let this soak in for a minute....
"So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare.
It is a, it is a huge problem.
I have a son.
He's 10 years old.
He has computers.
He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable.
The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough.
And maybe it's hardly do-able.
But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing, but that's true throughout our whole governmental society.
We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester and certainly cyber is one of them."www.myspace.com0 -
Melbourne FL the birthplace of JiM Morrison anyway......Bentleyspop said:Just watched a piece on CNN where they interviewed drumpf supporters waiting in line to see him speak in Melbourne, Fl.
They ALL came across as ignorant crackers
So the debate night out of the blue asked one of my coworkers what does he think of Trump? He says, I think of him like toilet paper. I said, how so? He says, he's good for one thing to wipe my ass. I said man that's harsh. He says, yeah, damn right even if it was sand paper. Ouch, I was sorry I asked but it made me laugh later in the night though.
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