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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    You're understanding how he was frustrated with you? I can relate. You don't answer basic questions about points you raise.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Go Beavers said:

    You're understanding how he was frustrated with you? I can relate. You don't answer basic questions about points you raise.

    I know.
    He at least towards the end continued to discuss things without facts that anyone could copy and paste from a resource.
    Basic questions I raise may come from what I say but that does not mean that I don't know what I am talking about.
    Some call this trolling and will change their avatar as quick as I post.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    You're understanding how he was frustrated with you? I can relate. You don't answer basic questions about points you raise.

    I know.
    He at least towards the end continued to discuss things without facts that anyone could copy and paste from a resource.
    Basic questions I raise may come from what I say but that does not mean that I don't know what I am talking about.
    Some call this trolling and will change their avatar as quick as I post.
    I'll break it down: You didn't raise the question, I did. I didn't say you don't know what you're talking about. You said the article you linked was contradictory. I asked you how it was contradictory. You didn't answer the question.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    You're understanding how he was frustrated with you? I can relate. You don't answer basic questions about points you raise.

    I know.
    He at least towards the end continued to discuss things without facts that anyone could copy and paste from a resource.
    Basic questions I raise may come from what I say but that does not mean that I don't know what I am talking about.
    Some call this trolling and will change their avatar as quick as I post.
    Donald Trump’s campaign has spent more on hats than on polling

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/25/donald-trumps-campaign-has-spent-more-on-hats-than-on-polling/
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Newt is going Giuliani crazy.....on Fox news.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=sGy5wpY3kMI&app=desktop
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    dignin said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    You're understanding how he was frustrated with you? I can relate. You don't answer basic questions about points you raise.

    I know.
    He at least towards the end continued to discuss things without facts that anyone could copy and paste from a resource.
    Basic questions I raise may come from what I say but that does not mean that I don't know what I am talking about.
    Some call this trolling and will change their avatar as quick as I post.
    Donald Trump’s campaign has spent more on hats than on polling

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/25/donald-trumps-campaign-has-spent-more-on-hats-than-on-polling/
    It mirrors Wrigley merch.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,068
    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:

    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!

    Trump doesn't like these ingredients either.
    :lol:
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.

    ONLY IF....he beats the message through till the end and shows clips upon clips of her supporting Obamacare as well as discussing it during interviews and sprinkle some more wikileaks convo in there and he may just pull this thing off

    something also tells me we aren't done with the cherry on the top of what we will find out with the emails
    Post edited by pjalive21 on
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited October 2016
    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    You know it would be easier if you just posted a link to drudgereport. Those are the same 3 polls he's got splashed on his front page. Let's see how that worked out four years ago today.
    Post edited by CM189191 on
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,684
    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    I know nothing about Remington polling but the sampling looks out of line. Trumps big problem is not staying within two points, it's his lack of field offices and ground game.

    A well run campaign is like an iceberg. 90% is invisible. Unfortunately for Trump, his is inverted. His rallies are like a carnival. There is nothing left after he leaves.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    The remington polls looks suspect because they don't say how the survey was conducted, and it looks like they focused on 6 to 9 cities exclusively. And 29% of blacks in PA are voting Trump? Please. Florida's always been a toss up.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,330
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/#now

    Here is Nate Silver's FL analysis....doesn't have the most recent poll at this time but should be updated soon
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    I can't explain it to a non Canadian that doesn't know CBC.
    It has undertones that are gifted from federal funding.

    Maybe you can explain it to a Canadian who knows the CBC. Because I'm not seeing the contradiction, either. I'm seeing an article that looks at different points of view, examines the evidence for each of them, and then comes to a conclusion; kind of like how we might want a news article to be.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,065
    Trump's alleged 2 point lead falls within the sampling error %. I'd take that to the bank.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,684
    edited October 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    The remington polls looks suspect because they don't say how the survey was conducted, and it looks like they focused on 6 to 9 cities exclusively. And 29% of blacks in PA are voting Trump? Please. Florida's always been a toss up.
    They have 29% of blacks voting Trump??? If so, you can throw that poll away.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    mrussel1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    The remington polls looks suspect because they don't say how the survey was conducted, and it looks like they focused on 6 to 9 cities exclusively. And 29% of blacks in PA are voting Trump? Please. Florida's always been a toss up.
    They have 29% of blacks voting Trump??? If so, you can throw that poll away.
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/

    The IBD poll that people were citing last week now has Clinton up.

    The Remington polls adjusted have Hillary up 5 in PA and up 2 in FL.

    The Selzer FL poll is certainly concerning.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,330
    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/05/488802494/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-says-of-course-trump-voters-are-his-voters
    Duke says that Trump's attacks on Muslims and illegal immigration have brought his own beliefs into the mainstream.

    The former KKK grand wizard, who describes himself as advocating for European-Americans, filed to run for an open Senate seat in Louisiana just one day after the Republican National Convention.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 37,014
    brianlux said:

    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!

    Michael Moore is convinced it could. He tweeted this morning Trump is polling higher than Hillary in key swing states.

    Or he is just trying to promote Trumpland. Or he wants Trump to lose embarassingly.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,330
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    brianlux said:

    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!

    Michael Moore is convinced it could. He tweeted this morning Trump is polling higher than Hillary in key swing states.

    Or he is just trying to promote Trumpland. Or he wants Trump to lose embarassingly.
    Moore doesn't want dems to become complacent. He wants to be sure dems get out and vote.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 37,014
    Gern Blansten said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    brianlux said:

    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!

    Michael Moore is convinced it could. He tweeted this morning Trump is polling higher than Hillary in key swing states.

    Or he is just trying to promote Trumpland. Or he wants Trump to lose embarassingly.
    Moore doesn't want dems to become complacent. He wants to be sure dems get out and vote.
    that too.

    love the new addition to the signature, BTW. :lol:
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,282
    edited October 2016
    dignin said:

    Newt is going Giuliani crazy.....on Fox news.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=sGy5wpY3kMI&app=desktop

    Just watched that this morning.
    When Fox News is ripped for being biased against Republicans the world is a funnier place. As a republican not voting for Trump, I get where Megyn Kelly is coming from here. Love her.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,330
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    brianlux said:

    Lima beans, cilantro and anchovies. It ain't gonna happen!

    Michael Moore is convinced it could. He tweeted this morning Trump is polling higher than Hillary in key swing states.

    Or he is just trying to promote Trumpland. Or he wants Trump to lose embarassingly.
    Moore doesn't want dems to become complacent. He wants to be sure dems get out and vote.
    that too.

    love the new addition to the signature, BTW. :lol:
    I figured that I'll just save him some time.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 37,014
    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/19/donald-trump-ny1-2008-hillary-clinton-kfile-jnd-orig.cnn

    Trump praises both Clintons in 2008 video. He is so full of shit now it hurts.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,330
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/19/donald-trump-ny1-2008-hillary-clinton-kfile-jnd-orig.cnn

    Trump praises both Clintons in 2008 video. He is so full of shit now it hurts.

    Yeah I'm hoping Clinton runs that as an ad....hilarious
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    CM189191 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    You know it would be easier if you just posted a link to drudgereport. Those are the same 3 polls he's got splashed on his front page. Let's see how that worked out four years ago today.
    I could have done that but if you spent time on here you would know that people won't accept "the drudge report" as a source nor should they. Better to post the original links so people can look at the polls themselves.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Listen.
    I don't know what you read but the article posted seems to have two different opinions.

    It says the state level polling is more valid than national, and then makes good points as to why.
    Some new state polling

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-26/florida-poll

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_OH_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_PA_Oct_25th_2016.pdf

    Trump up 2 in Florida, up 4 in Ohio, and only behind 3 in PA?!

    The battleground states are close and Obamacare might get him over the finish line.
    I know nothing about Remington polling but the sampling looks out of line. Trumps big problem is not staying within two points, it's his lack of field offices and ground game.

    A well run campaign is like an iceberg. 90% is invisible. Unfortunately for Trump, his is inverted. His rallies are like a carnival. There is nothing left after he leaves.
    This is absolutely true which is what will make this election so fascinating. Trump is testing a ridiculous theory that he can do this completely on his own without money, operatives, commercials etc. I don't see how he can do it without a real campaign but then you realize that he managed to do it in the primaries and he has stayed competitive right up to the end. If he manages to pull this off it might destroy the "billion dollar campaign" and the entire election industry that everybody hates. Trump rallies are crushing Clinton rallies in attendance but you could be right...it could mean nothing without a ground game.
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