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Bentleyspop

benjs said:

Bentleyspop said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Not at all. The excusing, deflecting and defending of Hillary in these boards is unbelievable. Keep attacking me for bringing up the obvious.

What is also unbelievable is the blind hatred for Hillary. We get it...she's a powerful woman and that intimidates you.

I'm with Bernie Sanders. I'll be voting for Clinton proudly.

o.k......but Bernie got paid...

Godfather.

And what exactly do you base this off of? The only thing I understand that Sanders got out of endorsing Clinton, is some of his priorities added to the party platform. I'd hardly call this payment too, because if the agenda of the DNC closer resembles that of Sanders', then there's no conflict of interest in his endorsement. Plus, as countless have said, this is about who is the better (i.e. less bad) candidate. We should push for accountability from Clinton, there's no question of that in my mind. She's in a dangerous position of being elected and not questioned, as it stands. That being said, she is not Satan reincarnate.

well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

Godfather.

It's like you have a list of reasons to hate Clinton, and when someone debunks a reason based on nothing but oppositional party lines based on bullshit unfounded rumours and theories - you just move down the list to the next one. Your straw man (woman?) attacks are pathetic, dishonest, and ineffective. Why don't you read your links, learn something, and post something based on substantial evidence? For the record, there ARE topics like this related to Hilary Clinton, yet you avoid them, preferring the easier TMZ/FOX topics like her health. By doing this, you are adding (at best) nothing to the conversation. At worst, you are an obfuscater of intelligent debate, like a paid-for party lackey.

and you have become a Hillary puppet blind to what has been happening since Obama has become President, if you are comfortable in that situation then by all means carry on ol' boy, you vote how you see fit and I'll vote for the candidate I see fit ....sound simple enough ?

Godfather.

On the contrary, I've called for not letting hatred of Trump get in the way of holding Clinton accountable when she ought to be, and not for questioning her about tabloid-quality unsubstantiated nonsense. It actually weakens your cause when people have to read through grade school caliber questions, to find any with proof and merit. In other words, I'm not actually criticizing your critical nature, I'm criticizing the quality and the truthfulness of the issues you choose to argue.

Benjs....you're not new here. You should know by now that actually trying to reason, albeit with verifiable facts, data, and evidence, is a battle you can't win with gf.

A valiant effort but you're just banging your head against a wall.

I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).

As mentioned by someone else....very well put.
I appreciate your effort and it clearly comes from a good place.

ikiT

Gern Blansten said:

Tiki said:

Gern Blansten said:

The Dallas Morning News on Tuesday declared Donald Trump is not qualified to serve as president, writing in an editorial that the GOP nominee does not represent Republican ideals.

He should be appointed President of the New York Jets. He's qualified for that post. At least they're used to being a mess already.

He tried football before....he ran the USFL team into the ground that he owned

As a Patriots fan, I don't mind if he does that to the Jets. They don't need any help really.

benjs

Bentleyspop said:

benjs said:

Bentleyspop said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Not at all. The excusing, deflecting and defending of Hillary in these boards is unbelievable. Keep attacking me for bringing up the obvious.

What is also unbelievable is the blind hatred for Hillary. We get it...she's a powerful woman and that intimidates you.

I'm with Bernie Sanders. I'll be voting for Clinton proudly.

o.k......but Bernie got paid...

Godfather.

And what exactly do you base this off of? The only thing I understand that Sanders got out of endorsing Clinton, is some of his priorities added to the party platform. I'd hardly call this payment too, because if the agenda of the DNC closer resembles that of Sanders', then there's no conflict of interest in his endorsement. Plus, as countless have said, this is about who is the better (i.e. less bad) candidate. We should push for accountability from Clinton, there's no question of that in my mind. She's in a dangerous position of being elected and not questioned, as it stands. That being said, she is not Satan reincarnate.

well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

Godfather.

It's like you have a list of reasons to hate Clinton, and when someone debunks a reason based on nothing but oppositional party lines based on bullshit unfounded rumours and theories - you just move down the list to the next one. Your straw man (woman?) attacks are pathetic, dishonest, and ineffective. Why don't you read your links, learn something, and post something based on substantial evidence? For the record, there ARE topics like this related to Hilary Clinton, yet you avoid them, preferring the easier TMZ/FOX topics like her health. By doing this, you are adding (at best) nothing to the conversation. At worst, you are an obfuscater of intelligent debate, like a paid-for party lackey.

and you have become a Hillary puppet blind to what has been happening since Obama has become President, if you are comfortable in that situation then by all means carry on ol' boy, you vote how you see fit and I'll vote for the candidate I see fit ....sound simple enough ?

Godfather.

On the contrary, I've called for not letting hatred of Trump get in the way of holding Clinton accountable when she ought to be, and not for questioning her about tabloid-quality unsubstantiated nonsense. It actually weakens your cause when people have to read through grade school caliber questions, to find any with proof and merit. In other words, I'm not actually criticizing your critical nature, I'm criticizing the quality and the truthfulness of the issues you choose to argue.

Benjs....you're not new here. You should know by now that actually trying to reason, albeit with verifiable facts, data, and evidence, is a battle you can't win with gf.

A valiant effort but you're just banging your head against a wall.

I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).

As mentioned by someone else....very well put.
I appreciate your effort and it clearly comes from a good place.

Thanks Bentleyspop, really appreciate that!

Degeneratefk

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not sure why you keep harping on that. people have stated time and time again that while they are voting for hillary, they are doing so not because she's honest and trustworthy, etc, she is by far less dangerous a candidate than trump. it really is that simple.

SOME people. Gern, Russell and some others have done nothing but apologize for Clinton.

That's laughable.

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Not at all. The excusing, deflecting and defending of Hillary in these boards is unbelievable. Keep attacking me for bringing up the obvious.

What is also unbelievable is the blind hatred for Hillary. We get it...she's a powerful woman and that intimidates you.

I'm with Bernie Sanders. I'll be voting for Clinton proudly.

o.k......but Bernie got paid...

Godfather.

And what exactly do you base this off of? The only thing I understand that Sanders got out of endorsing Clinton, is some of his priorities added to the party platform. I'd hardly call this payment too, because if the agenda of the DNC closer resembles that of Sanders', then there's no conflict of interest in his endorsement. Plus, as countless have said, this is about who is the better (i.e. less bad) candidate. We should push for accountability from Clinton, there's no question of that in my mind. She's in a dangerous position of being elected and not questioned, as it stands. That being said, she is not Satan reincarnate.

well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

Godfather.

She looks and sounds just as good as Trump, so I don't understand what your problem is.

Godfather.

g under p said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not sure why you keep harping on that. people have stated time and time again that while they are voting for hillary, they are doing so not because she's honest and trustworthy, etc, she is by far less dangerous a candidate than trump. it really is that simple.

I think I'm getting to a crossroads here.....I'm here in Florida a much needed state by BOTH candidates. I see Trump everywhere I have to drive by his Mar Largo compound, His plane at PBI and his damn TI Golf Course. I know I'm not voting for Trump and I don't want to vote for Hillary either....it's like back in 2008 I was so fed up with politicians I voted for Ralph Nader. I feel like I'm right back there all over again. I'm still searching though.....

Peace

if this election was really depending on Florida for a winner then Trump would have it hands down, as you said I drive around and see nothing but Trump bumper stickers, yard signs and even a few business signs that support Trump (on US 1 near Hobe Sound) and everybody I've talked too about the election is voting Trump as well so it sure seems Trump owns this state and come to think of it I have not seen one Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign since I've been here.

Godfather.

Free

I have seen a few trump signs. However, I have seen zero Hillary signs unless you want to count the Hillary for prison signs.

PJ_Soul

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not sure why you keep harping on that. people have stated time and time again that while they are voting for hillary, they are doing so not because she's honest and trustworthy, etc, she is by far less dangerous a candidate than trump. it really is that simple.

SOME people. Gern, Russell and some others have done nothing but apologize for Clinton.

fair enough, your posts about this just made it sound, to me anyway, like all clinton supporters were blinded morons who question nothing. no different than people thinking all trump supporters are bigots.

I never said all, in fact, It's never good to blanket label an entire group. There are just many here that have outright been Hillary apologists. Makes you wonder...

Ugh, we get it. Can't you move on to something else, since pretty much no one agrees with you on this point anyhow? Maybe you could just copy and paste one standard post about all the "many" apologists here and keep posting it over and over and over again. Save yourself some time.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. said:

g under p said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not sure why you keep harping on that. people have stated time and time again that while they are voting for hillary, they are doing so not because she's honest and trustworthy, etc, she is by far less dangerous a candidate than trump. it really is that simple.

I think I'm getting to a crossroads here.....I'm here in Florida a much needed state by BOTH candidates. I see Trump everywhere I have to drive by his Mar Largo compound, His plane at PBI and his damn TI Golf Course. I know I'm not voting for Trump and I don't want to vote for Hillary either....it's like back in 2008 I was so fed up with politicians I voted for Ralph Nader. I feel like I'm right back there all over again. I'm still searching though.....

Peace

if this election was really depending on Florida for a winner then Trump would have it hands down, as you said I drive around and see nothing but Trump bumper stickers, yard signs and even a few business signs that support Trump (on US 1 near Hobe Sound) and everybody I've talked too about the election is voting Trump as well so it sure seems Trump owns this state and come to think of it I have not seen one Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign since I've been here.

Godfather.

Seriously?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

Godfather.

benjs said:

Bentleyspop said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Not at all. The excusing, deflecting and defending of Hillary in these boards is unbelievable. Keep attacking me for bringing up the obvious.

What is also unbelievable is the blind hatred for Hillary. We get it...she's a powerful woman and that intimidates you.

I'm with Bernie Sanders. I'll be voting for Clinton proudly.

o.k......but Bernie got paid...

Godfather.

And what exactly do you base this off of? The only thing I understand that Sanders got out of endorsing Clinton, is some of his priorities added to the party platform. I'd hardly call this payment too, because if the agenda of the DNC closer resembles that of Sanders', then there's no conflict of interest in his endorsement. Plus, as countless have said, this is about who is the better (i.e. less bad) candidate. We should push for accountability from Clinton, there's no question of that in my mind. She's in a dangerous position of being elected and not questioned, as it stands. That being said, she is not Satan reincarnate.

well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

Godfather.

It's like you have a list of reasons to hate Clinton, and when someone debunks a reason based on nothing but oppositional party lines based on bullshit unfounded rumours and theories - you just move down the list to the next one. Your straw man (woman?) attacks are pathetic, dishonest, and ineffective. Why don't you read your links, learn something, and post something based on substantial evidence? For the record, there ARE topics like this related to Hilary Clinton, yet you avoid them, preferring the easier TMZ/FOX topics like her health. By doing this, you are adding (at best) nothing to the conversation. At worst, you are an obfuscater of intelligent debate, like a paid-for party lackey.

and you have become a Hillary puppet blind to what has been happening since Obama has become President, if you are comfortable in that situation then by all means carry on ol' boy, you vote how you see fit and I'll vote for the candidate I see fit ....sound simple enough ?

Godfather.

On the contrary, I've called for not letting hatred of Trump get in the way of holding Clinton accountable when she ought to be, and not for questioning her about tabloid-quality unsubstantiated nonsense. It actually weakens your cause when people have to read through grade school caliber questions, to find any with proof and merit. In other words, I'm not actually criticizing your critical nature, I'm criticizing the quality and the truthfulness of the issues you choose to argue.

Benjs....you're not new here. You should know by now that actually trying to reason, albeit with verifiable facts, data, and evidence, is a battle you can't win with gf.

A valiant effort but you're just banging your head against a wall.

I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).

here on the train or anywhere else for that matter what I believe or you believe matters not, meaning that when we go to vote your opinion will not change my mind nor mine yours so all the "facts" and all the apologies for Hillary and the trash talking about both of them is meaningless........but it has been fun !

Godfather.

Godfather.

.......BTW benjs that was a good post.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.

I get paid by the Clinton apology post, but I don't get paid if I re-post the same thing. This particular post is sort of grey, so I'm not sure it's part of my billable posts invoice. I'll have to check my standard operating procedure.

Godfather.

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.

I get paid by the Clinton apology post, but I don't get paid if I re-post the same thing. This particular post is sort of grey, so I'm not sure it's part of my billable posts invoice. I'll have to check my standard operating procedure.

????? HAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHA !!!!!!!!!!

Godfather.

pjhawks

Tiki said:

Gern Blansten said:

Tiki said:

Gern Blansten said:

The Dallas Morning News on Tuesday declared Donald Trump is not qualified to serve as president, writing in an editorial that the GOP nominee does not represent Republican ideals.

He should be appointed President of the New York Jets. He's qualified for that post. At least they're used to being a mess already.

He tried football before....he ran the USFL team into the ground that he owned

As a Patriots fan, I don't mind if he does that to the Jets. They don't need any help really.

is that why the Pats cheat because they need the help?

benjs

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Bentleyspop said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Not at all. The excusing, deflecting and defending of Hillary in these boards is unbelievable. Keep attacking me for bringing up the obvious.

What is also unbelievable is the blind hatred for Hillary. We get it...she's a powerful woman and that intimidates you.

I'm with Bernie Sanders. I'll be voting for Clinton proudly.

o.k......but Bernie got paid...

Godfather.

And what exactly do you base this off of? The only thing I understand that Sanders got out of endorsing Clinton, is some of his priorities added to the party platform. I'd hardly call this payment too, because if the agenda of the DNC closer resembles that of Sanders', then there's no conflict of interest in his endorsement. Plus, as countless have said, this is about who is the better (i.e. less bad) candidate. We should push for accountability from Clinton, there's no question of that in my mind. She's in a dangerous position of being elected and not questioned, as it stands. That being said, she is not Satan reincarnate.

well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

Godfather.

It's like you have a list of reasons to hate Clinton, and when someone debunks a reason based on nothing but oppositional party lines based on bullshit unfounded rumours and theories - you just move down the list to the next one. Your straw man (woman?) attacks are pathetic, dishonest, and ineffective. Why don't you read your links, learn something, and post something based on substantial evidence? For the record, there ARE topics like this related to Hilary Clinton, yet you avoid them, preferring the easier TMZ/FOX topics like her health. By doing this, you are adding (at best) nothing to the conversation. At worst, you are an obfuscater of intelligent debate, like a paid-for party lackey.

and you have become a Hillary puppet blind to what has been happening since Obama has become President, if you are comfortable in that situation then by all means carry on ol' boy, you vote how you see fit and I'll vote for the candidate I see fit ....sound simple enough ?

Godfather.

On the contrary, I've called for not letting hatred of Trump get in the way of holding Clinton accountable when she ought to be, and not for questioning her about tabloid-quality unsubstantiated nonsense. It actually weakens your cause when people have to read through grade school caliber questions, to find any with proof and merit. In other words, I'm not actually criticizing your critical nature, I'm criticizing the quality and the truthfulness of the issues you choose to argue.

Benjs....you're not new here. You should know by now that actually trying to reason, albeit with verifiable facts, data, and evidence, is a battle you can't win with gf.

A valiant effort but you're just banging your head against a wall.

I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).

here on the train or anywhere else for that matter what I believe or you believe matters not, meaning that when we go to vote your opinion will not change my mind nor mine yours so all the "facts" and all the apologies for Hillary and the trash talking about both of them is meaningless........but it has been fun !

Godfather.

You've said this before, and I don't believe this is the case for you or me or anyone. Our positions are simply constructed from facts and bias. Take facts, add bias, and you have opinions. Opinions are fed to us, and those are what we use to form our positions. This is what happened to make any of us into a supporter of Candidate X. More impactful opinions can then be fed to us to grow our body of knowledge, and form better (or worse - if bias is far greater than factual basis) positions. So I truly believe that all of this, every single word we exchange here, is incredibly meaningful, and these conversations will absolutely drive change.

HughFreakingDillon

so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not everyone

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not everyone

clearly.

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's really Hillary apologists lying to the pollsters by saying they're supporting trump in an effort to make the trump campaign and his supporters overconfident and thus have them stay home on Election Day. Plus, polls are taken for dramatic effect and don't really matter.