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Does he believe the Mexican president was not watching his speech , he again said they will pay for the wall they just don't know it ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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1. I don't feel that we in the public reserve the right to pick and choose what bailouts to support, especially when corporations like GM so resemble banks. Monthly payments and interest charges effectively provide clients the right to withhold full payments owed in exchange for fees. Of course, there's more to a car company and to a bank, but this is a gist of it. Whether a poor-quality product is provided, or a poor-yielding set of investments is made, both entities responsible ought to be held accountable. That said, mrussell, if you're more well-versed and can add info to this topic, please do!mrussel1 said:
Benjs - I'm going to challenge a few statements here. I will cherry pick a few because others I can agree with, so don't read it wrong:benjs said:
Glenn Greenwald was on Democracy Now yesterday talking about how Clinton's main opponent is an untenable candidate, which is leaving her in a position where people are reticent to address some serious issues, and to be honest, I agree. Her hawkish tendencies will perpetuate the same "invade until they behave like us or in ways that benefit us", as they have historically in her political tenure (i.e. her support of several military coups in South America, as well as her silence on the topic of the current quasi-coup with the impeachment of Rousseff in Brazil). Her commitment to government bailouts, to perpetuating (or growing) the delta between the richest and the poorest in America, and yes, her flat-out denial of any wrongdoings on the topic of her private servers in the White House. Free, I'm doing an about face, and I agree with you. It's time to hold Clinton accountable for her actions - even when her opponent is a cross between mummified foreskin and cotton candy.Free said:I have nothing with you personally Halifax. Just trying to figure out the need of being a political apologist. If you don't want to answer, that's fine, I didn't really aim it at you personally but the apologists here. (You. As in "all of you" here).
1. Bailouts - which bailouts do you support and which do you oppose? Do you oppose the GM bailout along with the banks? If yes, please explain the rationale. If you opposed both, well then you are a pure capitalist and I give you credit for consistency.
2. Servers - Clinton has apologized MULTIPLE times for setting up the server. Her first specific one was in in Q3 of '15, here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-private-email-mistake-im/story?id=33608970 She apologized many more times including last week on Morning Joe. What else do you expect of her?
3. Warhawk... that's a tough one. Remember she was executing the policy of Obama. That's not to say she didn't agree with it, but it was the administration policy. I've found it interesting to see the vitriol against HRC for her time at State and the absolute silence to hold Obama to the same standard when, as Harry Truman famously said "The buck stops here."
2. Servers - I apologize for this one! I didn't realize she had publicly shown remorse for this decision. I'm not sure what more one can ask of her in that case.
3. In some cases, I agree that she was executing the policy of Obama. Ultimately, the SOS should not be held accountable for his or her facilitating what is needed as per the POTUS' direct mandate. What he or she should be held accountable for is where their votes and public words reside, which one has to assume will represent his or her positionality in the POTUS' seat. To this end, Clinton has been consistent in voting to recognize the legitimacy of coups which provide right-leaning governments who feel that their respective developing nation ought to be subservient to the USA's self-appointed almost-sovereignty, as a byproduct of their economic buying power.
Ultimately, I've tried to live and breathe "question everything". What I'm finding is that the sheer shock value that follows every time Trump opens his mouth is like a wacky-waving-flailing-inflatable-tube-man in the corner that you can't look away from, even though you know roughly what'll happen next - and that gives Clinton the unspoken ability to slink towards the White House without questions about her positions and beliefs. This election, more than any before it, has taken away discussions of legitimate policy, positionality, value statements - and has instead become a sensationalist reality television show. Given the importance of who directs the movie of the next four years in the USA (which bleeds into the movie of so many other nations), I would really love to see this pivot.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/294071-mexican-president-some-of-trumps-positions-a-threat-to-mexicojosevolution said:Does he believe the Mexican president was not watching his speech , he again said they will pay for the wall they just don't know it ..
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and how is he going to "MAKE" Mexico pay for the wall? send them a bill and then sick a collection agency on them? them claim bankruptcy and then blame them for all the financial ills of 'murica?
This is getting kinda scarey. I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
anyone catch after the speech in Arizona, the "walk-out" song? that was played while the audience clapping and cheering and Trump waving....Sympathy for the Devil. wow.Amy The Great #74594
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Summary of that immigration speech: Lies...fear...yuge expensive plan...more fear...a lie...bigger government....more spending...authoritarian statement....fear....ignorant comment....fear....delusional international relations demands.....more spending...fear...ignorance..0
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absolutely.benjs said:
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Benjs - I'm going to challenge a few statements here. I will cherry pick a few because others I can agree with, so don't read it wrong:benjs said:
Glenn Greenwald was on Democracy Now yesterday talking about how Clinton's main opponent is an untenable candidate, which is leaving her in a position where people are reticent to address some serious issues, and to be honest, I agree. Her hawkish tendencies will perpetuate the same "invade until they behave like us or in ways that benefit us", as they have historically in her political tenure (i.e. her support of several military coups in South America, as well as her silence on the topic of the current quasi-coup with the impeachment of Rousseff in Brazil). Her commitment to government bailouts, to perpetuating (or growing) the delta between the richest and the poorest in America, and yes, her flat-out denial of any wrongdoings on the topic of her private servers in the White House. Free, I'm doing an about face, and I agree with you. It's time to hold Clinton accountable for her actions - even when her opponent is a cross between mummified foreskin and cotton candy.Free said:I have nothing with you personally Halifax. Just trying to figure out the need of being a political apologist. If you don't want to answer, that's fine, I didn't really aim it at you personally but the apologists here. (You. As in "all of you" here).
1. Bailouts - which bailouts do you support and which do you oppose? Do you oppose the GM bailout along with the banks? If yes, please explain the rationale. If you opposed both, well then you are a pure capitalist and I give you credit for consistency.
2. Servers - Clinton has apologized MULTIPLE times for setting up the server. Her first specific one was in in Q3 of '15, here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-private-email-mistake-im/story?id=33608970 She apologized many more times including last week on Morning Joe. What else do you expect of her?
3. Warhawk... that's a tough one. Remember she was executing the policy of Obama. That's not to say she didn't agree with it, but it was the administration policy. I've found it interesting to see the vitriol against HRC for her time at State and the absolute silence to hold Obama to the same standard when, as Harry Truman famously said "The buck stops here."
Ultimately, I've tried to live and breathe "question everything". What I'm finding is that the sheer shock value that follows every time Trump opens his mouth is like a wacky-waving-flailing-inflatable-tube-man in the corner that you can't look away from, even though you know roughly what'll happen next - and that gives Clinton the unspoken ability to slink towards the White House without questions about her positions and beliefs. This election, more than any before it, has taken away discussions of legitimate policy, positionality, value statements - and has instead become a sensationalist reality television show. Given the importance of who directs the movie of the next four years in the USA (which bleeds into the movie of so many other nations), I would really love to see this pivot.Post edited by Free on0 -
This is the huge problem. Because people are so in fear of a clown taking full advantage of his publicity stunts, people will BLINDLY follow the other contender and ask NO questions. And that is so dangerous for the country!! (not you personally).HughFreakingDillon said:I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.
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Again, you insert the condescending word "BLINDLY" into your statement. Why can't you just accept that what is really important to you, is less important to other people. 90% of people could give a shit about Debbie Wasserman. 70% could give a shit about the wall street speeches. But you relentlessly harp on those points presumably under the assumption that these should be critical decision points in one's choice. And if they are not, they are BLIND. Sorry, that's simply not the case. People are capable of prioritizing differently than you.Free said:
This is the huge problem. Because people are so in fear of a clown taking full advantage of his publicity stunts, people will BLINDLY follow the other contender and ask NO questions. And that is so dangerous for the country!! (not you personally).HughFreakingDillon said:I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.
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Stop with the hysteria please. Again, you project that people are blindly following either candidate. Are some? Sure. Are most? Highly unlikely. What's dangerous is that one of the major political parties totally caved to the tea party alt right faction of their party. But what did you expect since this is what they've been cultivating for the past 30 years?
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The same Debbie Wasserman who just won her primary.mrussel1 said:
Again, you insert the condescending word "BLINDLY" into your statement. Why can't you just accept that what is really important to you, is less important to other people. 90% of people could give a shit about Debbie Wasserman. 70% could give a shit about the wall street speeches. But you relentlessly harp on those points presumably under the assumption that these should be critical decision points in one's choice. And if they are not, they are BLIND. Sorry, that's simply not the case. People are capable of prioritizing differently than you.Free said:
This is the huge problem. Because people are so in fear of a clown taking full advantage of his publicity stunts, people will BLINDLY follow the other contender and ask NO questions. And that is so dangerous for the country!! (not you personally).HughFreakingDillon said:I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.
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You have not questioned Clinton's actions here, not once and 100% defended Hillary. Leading me to believe you are blindly following. Understand?0
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It's not a huge problem when the GOP candidate is a fucking idiot.Free said:
This is the huge problem. Because people are so in fear of a clown taking full advantage of his publicity stunts, people will BLINDLY follow the other contender and ask NO questions. And that is so dangerous for the country!! (not you personally).HughFreakingDillon said:I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.
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Condencension. Forgive us for our blind following for we know not the way.Free said:You have not questioned Clinton's actions here, not once and 100% defended Hillary. Leading me to believe you are blindly following. Understand?
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You guys can take it as it ever you want to. But I am not the enemy, I am the messenger. By not questioning the other candidate and making sure that she's got the right ideas for this country you are blindly following. Wake up.0
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Man, you're proving my point again!Gern Blansten said:
It's not a huge problem when the GOP candidate is a fucking idiot.Free said:
This is the huge problem. Because people are so in fear of a clown taking full advantage of his publicity stunts, people will BLINDLY follow the other contender and ask NO questions. And that is so dangerous for the country!! (not you personally).HughFreakingDillon said:I don't give a shit who the Democratic nom is. They should be so far in the lead with this douche on the other side. This is really painting a nasty picture of today's america.
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No it was "you can't always get what you want " still I'm sure the Stones are not to happyamethgr8 said:anyone catch after the speech in Arizona, the "walk-out" song? that was played while the audience clapping and cheering and Trump waving....Sympathy for the Devil. wow.
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