Except for a few moments on trade Trump generally sucked tonight...but I also thought he sucked in every GOP debate so what the hell do I know?
You're right. He was effective on NAFTA being aggressive. But then he couldn't stop fidgeting, was all over the place and generally incoherent the second half of the debate. He did suck in the GOP debates but a different audience as you know. Plus he got to pick his spots rather than having a question that he HAD to answer.
NOT PAYING CONTRACTS TO PEOPLE WHO "DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB"
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE "CRASH" = BUSINESS
what a dope.
If I had known then what I know now...
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EV LA1 08
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I would (have) paint(ed) Hilliary as a salesperson disguised as a public servant. He could have said I'm a businessmen I'm supposed to profit from my business ventures, some of which were tv and entertainment. Hilliary has been a public servant but who is it that she served? The Clinton's maintain that they left the white house broke and in debt yet in 15 years they have amassed a fortune greater than any other presidential nominee in history. Who has Hilliary served and who benefited the most from her service, those on social security, minorities, students, hard working Americans, or the Clinton's? The American public knows the answer. Hilliary will try to sell herself to the American public, she already failed once at it but this time she had honed her sales skills. She perfected them along with the democrats selling ambassador positions and other important public official positions example head of DHS to the highest bidder, she sold her words wisdom to wall street for millions, although she refuses to release the transcripts, she sold billions of dollars of arms to brutal oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia and other Clinton Foundation donors, she was even able to sell out Bernie Sanders by rigging the democratic primaries, she sold wars in Iraq and Libya which is now overrun by ISIS, the Clinton's went so far as to sell Arlington cemetery plots when in office, who knows maybe they sold the furniture and wall decor they stole from the white house. Funny thou with all this experience as a first lady, senator and sec of state she can't sell her book (maybe she should try her husbands sextape instead) a book of her ideas of Americas future.
Instead he has that dope Giuliani coaching him. I could go on but it's bedtime and I already stayed up all night on this.
You're obsessed, man. You want to know why Bill's infidelities won't be used against her? Simply put, the topic then becomes about infidelity. Why would Donald not want the topic to be infidelity? He's not doing it out of respect to Chelsea. He's not doing it because he's taking the high road.
Well the in tons made a combined total of $153M in the last 15 years just for their paid speaking engagements alone, so I don't think it's much of a mystery or scandal that they are extremely wealthy since Bill's time in office.
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She absolutely destroyed him. Was a little nervous early, but it was clear 'Ol Donnie didn't prepare well enough and it's so simple to get under his skin.
So much of what he said just didn't make sense or were outright lies.
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How does Trump claim that he is more fit when he looked like he just ran a mile half the time? Did he forget his viagra or blood pressure meds?
Yeah. He also went to the water early and often. I don't think HRC took one glass of it.
I've thought for a while now that he would skip one or more of these debates. He laid the seeds even further a couple weeks ago when he ripped Anderson Cooper. But now he's painted himself into a corner because general consensus is that he did poorly tonight. Gonna look really weak to back out of the next one....
You're obsessed, man. You want to know why Bill's infidelities won't be used against her? Simply put, the topic then becomes about infidelity. Why would Donald not want the topic to be infidelity? He's not doing it out of respect to Chelsea. He's not doing it because he's taking the high road.
As pointed out in the internet ether of what a sexist society we are, we blame Hillary for Bill's infidelity, but not Trump for his.
I thought he got beat in every GOP debate yet the post-debate polls kept showing him as winning. I think these polls overall are lousy measures of anything but the fact he is seen as winning in so many different ones is what is so bizarre. I repeat...what the hell do I know?
How does Trump claim that he is more fit when he looked like he just ran a mile half the time? Did he forget his viagra or blood pressure meds?
Yeah. He also went to the water early and often. I don't think HRC took one glass of it.
I've thought for a while now that he would skip one or more of these debates. He laid the seeds even further a couple weeks ago when he ripped Anderson Cooper. But now he's painted himself into a corner because general consensus is that he did poorly tonight. Gonna look really weak to back out of the next one....
Yeah and he said he wasn't "sniffing"....it was a "bad mic"
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I thought he got beat in every GOP debate yet the post-debate polls kept showing him as winning. I think these polls overall are lousy measures of anything but the fact he is seen as winning in so many different ones is what is so bizarre. I repeat...what the hell do I know?
Those are dumb online polls where you can vote as many times as you want. It's like voting for American Idol. Focus groups showed the exact opposite.
At this point, the CNN one is the only that matters and it's been a good indicator of where the polls move from here for the past 30 years:
I thought he got beat in every GOP debate yet the post-debate polls kept showing him as winning. I think these polls overall are lousy measures of anything but the fact he is seen as winning in so many different ones is what is so bizarre. I repeat...what the hell do I know?
Those are dumb online polls where you can vote as many times as you want. It's like voting for American Idol. Focus groups showed the exact opposite.
At this point, the CNN one is the only that matters and it's been a good indicator of where the polls move from here for the past 30 years:
Eight in 10 insiders in the key battleground states thought Clinton performed better, including 57 percent of Republicans, according to the Politico Caucus survey.
And Rudy Giuliani, a top Trump surrogate, even suggested that Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets concessions. “If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” he said.
But Trump’s lack of preparation showed. There were too many missed opportunities to count.
“I'm not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I'm sure Trump lost it. He choked,” writes Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol.
“Even if you are a Trump supporter, you have to think that he left a lot on the table,” writes GOP supper lobbyist Ed Rogers, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses. “He didn’t see the openings and he didn’t swing at the softballs that came his way. He never used the word ‘change,’ he didn’t bore in on Hillary’s email scandal and he never got around to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s suspect integrity. Trump was inarticulate and rarely hit the bull’s eye.”
“He was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined,” writes New York Post conservative columnist John Podhoretz. “He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes. Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. By the end … Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.”
“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”
I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I listened to it on AM radio, so I couldn't see their bodily acrions and reactions but the real indicator of this debate is the transcript.
When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
Before yesterday I thought trump was the frat guy that just wanted to win, he still has that frat mentality, brags allot, but I believe he is sincere and believes his convictions about making America great (drop the again). He seemed genuinely passionate about the issues. I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions. I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)
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The birther thing was terrible for him.
The Clinton campaign is speculating that he will pull out of the debates. Politics are funny.
NOT PAYING CONTRACTS TO PEOPLE WHO "DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB"
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE "CRASH" = BUSINESS
what a dope.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
His people eat that up. Takin it to the man...
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woot woot
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
He could have said I'm a businessmen I'm supposed to profit from my business ventures, some of which were tv and entertainment. Hilliary has been a public servant but who is it that she served? The Clinton's maintain that they left the white house broke and in debt yet in 15 years they have amassed a fortune greater than any other presidential nominee in history. Who has Hilliary served and who benefited the most from her service, those on social security, minorities, students, hard working Americans, or the Clinton's? The American public knows the answer. Hilliary will try to sell herself to the American public, she already failed once at it but this time she had honed her sales skills. She perfected them along with the democrats selling ambassador positions and other important public official positions example head of DHS to the highest bidder, she sold her words wisdom to wall street for millions, although she refuses to release the transcripts, she sold billions of dollars of arms to brutal oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia and other Clinton Foundation donors, she was even able to sell out Bernie Sanders by rigging the democratic primaries, she sold wars in Iraq and Libya which is now overrun by ISIS, the Clinton's went so far as to sell Arlington cemetery plots when in office, who knows maybe they sold the furniture and wall decor they stole from the white house. Funny thou with all this experience as a first lady, senator and sec of state she can't sell her book (maybe she should try her husbands sextape instead) a book of her ideas of Americas future.
Instead he has that dope Giuliani coaching him.
I could go on but it's bedtime and I already stayed up all night on this.
He's not doing it out of respect to Chelsea. He's not doing it because he's taking the high road.
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So much of what he said just didn't make sense or were outright lies.
I've thought for a while now that he would skip one or more of these debates. He laid the seeds even further a couple weeks ago when he ripped Anderson Cooper. But now he's painted himself into a corner because general consensus is that he did poorly tonight. Gonna look really weak to back out of the next one....
weird world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html
I thought he got beat in every GOP debate yet the post-debate polls kept showing him as winning. I think these polls overall are lousy measures of anything but the fact he is seen as winning in so many different ones is what is so bizarre. I repeat...what the hell do I know?
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Focus groups showed the exact opposite.
At this point, the CNN one is the only that matters and it's been a good indicator of where the polls move from here for the past 30 years:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article104382951.html
Eight in 10 insiders in the key battleground states thought Clinton performed better, including 57 percent of Republicans, according to the Politico Caucus survey.
And Rudy Giuliani, a top Trump surrogate, even suggested that Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets concessions. “If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” he said.
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“I'm not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I'm sure Trump lost it. He choked,” writes Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol.
“Even if you are a Trump supporter, you have to think that he left a lot on the table,” writes GOP supper lobbyist Ed Rogers, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses. “He didn’t see the openings and he didn’t swing at the softballs that came his way. He never used the word ‘change,’ he didn’t bore in on Hillary’s email scandal and he never got around to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s suspect integrity. Trump was inarticulate and rarely hit the bull’s eye.”
“He was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined,” writes New York Post conservative columnist John Podhoretz. “He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes. Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. By the end … Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.”
“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/27/daily-202-why-even-republicans-think-clinton-won-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_daily202-930am:homepage/story
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When Trumps bumbling stream of consciousness is written out it looks really, really bad. Clinton speaks in controlled, concise sentences that make perfect sense, Trump speaks in the rhetorical equivalent of a drunken stagger through a field of manure.
I'm not saying he articulated it well or has the right solutions.
I guess the question is what motivates him to become president? (If not to make America great)