Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
The difference is your friends were probably bankrupt. Trump wasn't.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
Exactly....Wal Mart does the same thing
I had a client (I'm a CPA) that assembled punching bags. Wal Mart was their biggest client.
The purchasing agents would negotiate a price per bag....fair enough. The problem became that Wal Mart would adjust EVERY invoice that my client would send them. They would make adjustments for items they said were damaged (which happens...they would send the damaged items back) but also for "missing" items. Wal Mart would say they received 97 bags instead of 100. This happened with every shipment.
The owner actually started packing and checking the orders himself. He would always count the exact amount that was ordered and shipped...they STILL came back with the "missing" adjustment. Wal Mart's response was basically "if you want to do business with us you better just shut up."
That's how they get the lowest prices....in part.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Part of it is a Clinton campaign issue. There are SO MANY things that come out every day that it's up and out in one news cycle. It doesn't penetrate the mainstream. Take Romney's 47% comment. Comparatively that was not particularly bad. But it it permeated multiple news cycles because there was nothing else for the media or the Obama campaign to go after. Clinton needs to pick 1-3 things and just hit them relentlessly day after day. Her campaign can't chase all the different Trump items... there are too many and ironically works to his advantage right now.
I would go after his charity and Trump U. He needs to be painted as a dick to the regular guy. IMHO.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Part of it is a Clinton campaign issue. There are SO MANY things that come out every day that it's up and out in one news cycle. It doesn't penetrate the mainstream. Take Romney's 47% comment. Comparatively that was not particularly bad. But it it permeated multiple news cycles because there was nothing else for the media or the Obama campaign to go after. Clinton needs to pick 1-3 things and just hit them relentlessly day after day. Her campaign can't chase all the different Trump items... there are too many and ironically works to his advantage right now.
I would go after his charity and Trump U. He needs to be painted as a dick to the regular guy. IMHO.
Yeah she needs the surrogates to just beat the foundation stuff to death...the GOP would be doing it against her and it would be very effective.
edit: I guess it's possible that they are just waiting until closer to the election. Keep the outrage bottled and release it then.
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Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Part of it is a Clinton campaign issue. There are SO MANY things that come out every day that it's up and out in one news cycle. It doesn't penetrate the mainstream. Take Romney's 47% comment. Comparatively that was not particularly bad. But it it permeated multiple news cycles because there was nothing else for the media or the Obama campaign to go after. Clinton needs to pick 1-3 things and just hit them relentlessly day after day. Her campaign can't chase all the different Trump items... there are too many and ironically works to his advantage right now.
I would go after his charity and Trump U. He needs to be painted as a dick to the regular guy. IMHO.
Again, it's the bed of nails. Trump's offensive statements and abhorrent actions are so common, that the public becomes numb to it all. Clinton's deficiencies really contrast against her base level of decency and standard diplomatic and political behaviour.
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Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
Hahhaha you just elaborated on your approval of his establishment characteristics in defense of designating him as anti-establishment.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
Hahhaha you just elaborated on your approval of his establishment characteristics in defense of designating him as anti-establishment.
Did I? He isn't establishment to me because he's not a politician, I think it's pretty simple. Just because he's worked with politicians on business dealings doesn't mean he's run for office and been making policy decisions like politicians do. Say what you will but he's an outsider to me. I don't want a lifelong politician. He could have worked on campaigns but not served and I'd prefer that to a sitting politician
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
i don't consider someone who was running casino's and had to declare bankruptcy multiple times a shrewd businessman. he literally took a no lose situation and lost. hell not only did he have to declare bankruptcy he didn't pay vendors who worked to help build those casinos. i'll give you that he is a shrewd marketer of himself but that's about it.
Sure perhaps you're right, but in the business world bankruptcy is part of the game. It wouldn't exist as an option otherwise. I know several folks personally who have had to declare bankruptcy because their business attempts failed, I don't see them as failures. I see them as commendable for trying something that's very difficult to do. Shit, I personally would have had to declare it a few months ago if a lawsuit I eventually won had gone the other way. There's no shame in it, there's only shame in not taking the risk you took. Trump has dozens of not hundreds of business or something insane, and 4 failed? I consider it a huge success. Well, actually a yuge success, I guess.
what do you think the over 1000 vendors he screwed out of payments would call it?
It's dirty business and a total lack of business ethics. I have about 100 law firms that work for my company and we represent, for most of them, a majority of their revenue. We could pull the same shit on them without a problem and they would have to come back back because of how tied they are to us. But it's the lowest form of shit business and we would never consider it. Screwing your suppliers is the absolute worst thing you can do because they are generally small businesses and it hits them directly and personally. I can't say it with enough emphasis... it's the fucking worst.
agree 100% and it's why i think this might be the biggest reason not to vote for Trump. yea he says crazy shit but between this, how he has used his foundation money and Trump U. there is some serious shady shit he pulls. i don't want a guy like that representing me and he sure as shit isn't going to represent the middle or lower class.
The Trump "Foundation" stuff is amazing....anyone else would be run out of town. I really don't understand why this isn't blowing the roof off of his campaign.
It really is amazing, isn't it?
It's probably because both candidates have foundation issues. Trump has used the money for himself and family I guess and Clinton has used the money for political sway
Yep. Trump supporters won't care. Pretty sure Trump supporters wouldn't care if he were the prime suspect in a child murder investigation, let alone being accused of fraud. Hell, even if he were charged with murdering a child in cold blood and released on bail, Trump supporters would still probably stand behind him.
I would! For me it really isn't Trump, it's the Not-establishment, he just happens to be the person in that role. Id love to watch as Washington starts to represent the people of this nation instead of the clintons and bush's and all the Washington scum. It's all a part of this rat race we run, and we just gobble it up and stay complacent. Maybe I'm just a madman but I always thought we were supposed to have a govt that represented the people, not the top 1%. Sanders was my guy but the system fucked him as they will continue to do all of us, so I'm all for the anti establishment now. I obviously pissed all ya'll off with my post last night, but you do kinda all sound scared! Embrace it, if we're ever going to be truly free we have to stop lining the govt pocket!
You are voting for Trump, but want a government that doesn't represent the 1% and represents the people? Do you seriously not understand how delusional that seems? Do you not see that voting for a guy who has FULLY taken advantage of the establishment and played their game for years and years to make himself rich while stomping on regular people is a pretty insane thing to do if you care about what you claim to care about? Trump is not actually anti-establishment at all. He just pretends to be so he can trick people like you into voting for him. The only thing Trump really is is self-serving. He will do whatever it takes to get his way and to get richer. Period. He has no real values. If working for and with the establishment gets him ahead, he'll go with that. If speaking against the establishment gets him somewhere at that moment, he'll go with that. Nothing he says means anything. You know that Trump doesn't pay those who he owes, that he commits fraud through his charitable foundation, that he has his own products overseas to be manufactured, that he knowingly employed illegal immigrants and lied about it, that he is caught in a lie every day, literally, and that Trump has based his whole campaign on fear. And then you say what you just said? Sorry, but you are not using your reasoning skills at all. And honestly, if none of those things would dissuade you from voting for Trump, then I have no reason to believe that you would change your mind about voting for him if he committed murder.
I hear you. I see the guy as a shrewd businessman though. He gets shit done. Sucks that he produced his goods overseas, but if that's the way to lower your margins so you increase profit for your business, I don't see it as a shock, he was running a business. I buy cheap and sell high everyday in my restaurants, I would be silly not to. I believe that he'll be trying to improve lives of the middle working class. I LIKE the fact that he fully took advantage of the establishment as you said because he will do whatever is necessary to win, and that's what qualities a leader needs. Because he's so cutthroat and able to step on people to get ahead I think if he was prez he'd do the same to help his country. I completely agree with him saying "what do you have to lose?" It's not like the last 8 years of hope and change have helped anyone- look at the shit that goes on every day in this country now. We had the worst prez ever in that asshat GWB but we didn't have riots and looting and unrest every weekend. I love my country, I don't hate it like a lot on here seem to do. I just think Washington needs a big change and Clinton is anything but a change. If we keep going the way we are, we're fucked.
I appreciate a response like you gave, at least you have a discussion. It's ok to disagree about things. It's funny how most people who disagree with something dismiss the opposing viewpoint and fling insults instead of understanding not everyone is going to believe in the things that they do. I'm not on here to sway anyone's opinion, it's a personal decision who to vote for.
I think the question "what do you have to lose?" says a lot about the kind of person he is. he simply doesn't give a shit about you. he has never cared about anything but his own wealth. I'm not sure why people all of a sudden think he cares about if america succeeds. he has succeeded regardless of that over the past 3 decades. suddenly he's a patriotic philathropist? I don't buy it.
I can't say that HC's motives are any more pure than that, but I just think he will be incredibly reckless with foreign relations. She knows how to be a politician. All he knows is how to be a shithead. I don't know how much domestic damage he'll do, but internationally it will be a nightmare, which could/most certainly will eventually affect the country domestically.
I think he does care if America succeeds.
why?
He just strikes me as a very pro-American patriot in the classic sense of the term. If anything he is overly nationalistic. That doesn't mean he didn't put his business first his whole life. It also doesn't mean the policies he would put in place would necessarily be effective but I think he comes by the America First/Make America Great Again stance honestly.
I think he is more pro-capitalist than pro-american. if he gave a shit about middle class america why didn't he employ them himself instead of illegals that he now wants deported?
Clearly he's employed both. I'm sure you're aware of that.
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The politifact article actually confirms my suspicions. It will move to a system with the potential for zero US public oversight. The unelected stakeholder committee will be accountable to nobody and could be easily corrupted by repressive regimes looking to stifle speech and/or large corporations looking to stifle upstart competition. With no official US role in governance there is also the possibility of being unable to challenge decisions made by this "world body" on US constitutional grounds. It will become impossible to assert first amendment rights when decisions do not involve the US in any official capacity. You may think this is all a pipe dream but we already see large tech companies bowing to Chinese and Russian demands in exchange for market access.
1. Whatever happens with the Transition, there’s no reason whatsoever to think authoritarian countries like Russia and China won’t try to exert greater control over the Internet and the long-term impact of the Transition on positions of other governments vis-à-vis U.N. governance of the Internet are unknown. 2. It is unclear at best whether the multi-stakeholder community has the cohesion and resolve necessary to serve as an effective check on the ICANN Board post-Transition. 3. Governments will have more power post-Transition than they do currently, and it is unclear how this will affect ICANN. 4. Recent events revealed that ICANN has serious transparency and governance problems, which could make it vulnerable to corruption and abuse. 5. The U.S. government’s role is a major reason why the ICANN Board has been willing to accept accountability measures, because the Transition is dependent on their adoption. But a number of important additional reforms will not be completed until after the Transition, and. failing to extend the contract may jeopardize their implementation. 6. Substantial questions on ICANN’s jurisdiction, including where ICANN will be headquartered and incorporated and to which laws ICANN will be subject, remain unanswered. 7. The U.S. failed to secure legal ownership and control of the .MIL and .GOV domains, which could create national security concerns in the future. 8. The new ICANN bylaws may not be in line with California law, which could lead to legal and political challenges. 9. If the Transition involves a transfer of property, ending the contract without congressional authorization would violate the Constitution. 10. NTIA may have violated a funding prohibition if it fails to extend the contract. 11. It is unclear that U.S. antitrust law will actually be an effective remedy (or deterrent) against anti-competitive behavior by ICANN, even the Transition doesn’t change its legal status. Yet foreign antitrust laws could be used strategically to portray ICANN as a cartel, and thus make the case for a shift to U.N. control. 12. NTIA may have violated administrative law by failing to adequately consider public comments on the Transition directly, and instead relying on ICANN to do so on its behalf.
Well obviously you are not an "issues" person. Your two responses to this are a politifact link and a tinfoil hat picture.
I don't discuss issues with breitbart
Shouldn't we be discussing with all positions on the spectrum? What's a debate if all parties are in agreement? The key points that BS posted here seem like fairly reasonable points, and are not in opposition to the transfer to ICANN - just in favour of applying due diligence in creating checks and balances to prevent abuse where possible.
So have at it my friend
This response reveals so much. My guess is you haven't really looked at this issue but are just playing "the my side must win game". Completely your choice but it demonstrates a lack of depth.
The politifact article actually confirms my suspicions. It will move to a system with the potential for zero US public oversight. The unelected stakeholder committee will be accountable to nobody and could be easily corrupted by repressive regimes looking to stifle speech and/or large corporations looking to stifle upstart competition. With no official US role in governance there is also the possibility of being unable to challenge decisions made by this "world body" on US constitutional grounds. It will become impossible to assert first amendment rights when decisions do not involve the US in any official capacity. You may think this is all a pipe dream but we already see large tech companies bowing to Chinese and Russian demands in exchange for market access.
1. Whatever happens with the Transition, there’s no reason whatsoever to think authoritarian countries like Russia and China won’t try to exert greater control over the Internet and the long-term impact of the Transition on positions of other governments vis-à-vis U.N. governance of the Internet are unknown. 2. It is unclear at best whether the multi-stakeholder community has the cohesion and resolve necessary to serve as an effective check on the ICANN Board post-Transition. 3. Governments will have more power post-Transition than they do currently, and it is unclear how this will affect ICANN. 4. Recent events revealed that ICANN has serious transparency and governance problems, which could make it vulnerable to corruption and abuse. 5. The U.S. government’s role is a major reason why the ICANN Board has been willing to accept accountability measures, because the Transition is dependent on their adoption. But a number of important additional reforms will not be completed until after the Transition, and. failing to extend the contract may jeopardize their implementation. 6. Substantial questions on ICANN’s jurisdiction, including where ICANN will be headquartered and incorporated and to which laws ICANN will be subject, remain unanswered. 7. The U.S. failed to secure legal ownership and control of the .MIL and .GOV domains, which could create national security concerns in the future. 8. The new ICANN bylaws may not be in line with California law, which could lead to legal and political challenges. 9. If the Transition involves a transfer of property, ending the contract without congressional authorization would violate the Constitution. 10. NTIA may have violated a funding prohibition if it fails to extend the contract. 11. It is unclear that U.S. antitrust law will actually be an effective remedy (or deterrent) against anti-competitive behavior by ICANN, even the Transition doesn’t change its legal status. Yet foreign antitrust laws could be used strategically to portray ICANN as a cartel, and thus make the case for a shift to U.N. control. 12. NTIA may have violated administrative law by failing to adequately consider public comments on the Transition directly, and instead relying on ICANN to do so on its behalf.
Well obviously you are not an "issues" person. Your two responses to this are a politifact link and a tinfoil hat picture.
I don't discuss issues with breitbart
Shouldn't we be discussing with all positions on the spectrum? What's a debate if all parties are in agreement? The key points that BS posted here seem like fairly reasonable points, and are not in opposition to the transfer to ICANN - just in favour of applying due diligence in creating checks and balances to prevent abuse where possible.
So have at it my friend
This response reveals so much. My guess is you haven't really looked at this issue but are just playing "the my side must win game". Completely your choice but it demonstrates a lack of depth.
I'm just not worried about it. You have breitbart to supply you with all kinds of conspiracy/inaccurate crap. I don't feel like arguing about it...it's pointless.
Yet you keep dragging me back in.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
There's no way this election is going to be close- the media is making it dramatic. Women and minorities are going to make it a landslide for Hillary. Sad that minorities are cool with prolonging the same empty promises and crappy treatment they've had in their democratic cities for a while now, and women will want to vote female- I probably would if I was a woman- but trumps going to get demolished and then talk about how the system is rigged on his talk show on fox for the following 6 months until they cancel his show
Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
There's no way this election is going to be close- the media is making it dramatic. Women and minorities are going to make it a landslide for Hillary. Sad that minorities are cool with prolonging the same empty promises and crappy treatment they've had in their democratic cities for a while now, and women will want to vote female- I probably would if I was a woman- but trumps going to get demolished and then talk about how the system is rigged on his talk show on fox for the following 6 months until they cancel his show
They sure as hell don't have a chance with the GOP. Of course they will vote democrat.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Hillary Clinton on Friday teased Donald Trump for getting Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) endorsement by retweeting a message from Cruz questioning Trump's tax returns.
In April, while Cruz was battling Trump for the GOP presidential nomination, Cruz shared a Fox News interview in which he criticized Trump for not releasing his tax returns.
"I’ve released 9 years of tax returns," wrote Cruz urging his twitter audience to retweet the video "if you agree it’s time for Donald Trump to release his!"
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The politifact article actually confirms my suspicions. It will move to a system with the potential for zero US public oversight. The unelected stakeholder committee will be accountable to nobody and could be easily corrupted by repressive regimes looking to stifle speech and/or large corporations looking to stifle upstart competition. With no official US role in governance there is also the possibility of being unable to challenge decisions made by this "world body" on US constitutional grounds. It will become impossible to assert first amendment rights when decisions do not involve the US in any official capacity. You may think this is all a pipe dream but we already see large tech companies bowing to Chinese and Russian demands in exchange for market access.
1. Whatever happens with the Transition, there’s no reason whatsoever to think authoritarian countries like Russia and China won’t try to exert greater control over the Internet and the long-term impact of the Transition on positions of other governments vis-à-vis U.N. governance of the Internet are unknown. 2. It is unclear at best whether the multi-stakeholder community has the cohesion and resolve necessary to serve as an effective check on the ICANN Board post-Transition. 3. Governments will have more power post-Transition than they do currently, and it is unclear how this will affect ICANN. 4. Recent events revealed that ICANN has serious transparency and governance problems, which could make it vulnerable to corruption and abuse. 5. The U.S. government’s role is a major reason why the ICANN Board has been willing to accept accountability measures, because the Transition is dependent on their adoption. But a number of important additional reforms will not be completed until after the Transition, and. failing to extend the contract may jeopardize their implementation. 6. Substantial questions on ICANN’s jurisdiction, including where ICANN will be headquartered and incorporated and to which laws ICANN will be subject, remain unanswered. 7. The U.S. failed to secure legal ownership and control of the .MIL and .GOV domains, which could create national security concerns in the future. 8. The new ICANN bylaws may not be in line with California law, which could lead to legal and political challenges. 9. If the Transition involves a transfer of property, ending the contract without congressional authorization would violate the Constitution. 10. NTIA may have violated a funding prohibition if it fails to extend the contract. 11. It is unclear that U.S. antitrust law will actually be an effective remedy (or deterrent) against anti-competitive behavior by ICANN, even the Transition doesn’t change its legal status. Yet foreign antitrust laws could be used strategically to portray ICANN as a cartel, and thus make the case for a shift to U.N. control. 12. NTIA may have violated administrative law by failing to adequately consider public comments on the Transition directly, and instead relying on ICANN to do so on its behalf.
Well obviously you are not an "issues" person. Your two responses to this are a politifact link and a tinfoil hat picture.
I don't discuss issues with breitbart
Shouldn't we be discussing with all positions on the spectrum? What's a debate if all parties are in agreement? The key points that BS posted here seem like fairly reasonable points, and are not in opposition to the transfer to ICANN - just in favour of applying due diligence in creating checks and balances to prevent abuse where possible.
So have at it my friend
This response reveals so much. My guess is you haven't really looked at this issue but are just playing "the my side must win game". Completely your choice but it demonstrates a lack of depth.
I'm just not worried about it. You have breitbart to supply you with all kinds of conspiracy/inaccurate crap. I don't feel like arguing about it...it's pointless.
Yet you keep dragging me back in.
Haaa. Nobody is dragging anyone. You dove head first into a discussion you clearly weren't equipped to handle. It's all good though...during these hyperpartisan times I get the reflexive need to oppose your assumed destructor.
Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
There's no way this election is going to be close- the media is making it dramatic. Women and minorities are going to make it a landslide for Hillary. Sad that minorities are cool with prolonging the same empty promises and crappy treatment they've had in their democratic cities for a while now, and women will want to vote female- I probably would if I was a woman- but trumps going to get demolished and then talk about how the system is rigged on his talk show on fox for the following 6 months until they cancel his show
They sure as hell don't have a chance with the GOP. Of course they will vote democrat.
Of course they will, they've been duped into believing the party is for them. It's worked so far, just look at all the dem led cities, should be easy to find, they're the ones all over the news for looting, rioting and unrest. Better keep doing what's been not working!
Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
There's no way this election is going to be close- the media is making it dramatic. Women and minorities are going to make it a landslide for Hillary. Sad that minorities are cool with prolonging the same empty promises and crappy treatment they've had in their democratic cities for a while now, and women will want to vote female- I probably would if I was a woman- but trumps going to get demolished and then talk about how the system is rigged on his talk show on fox for the following 6 months until they cancel his show
They sure as hell don't have a chance with the GOP. Of course they will vote democrat.
Of course they will, they've been duped into believing the party is for them. It's worked so far, just look at all the dem led cities, should be easy to find, they're the ones all over the news for looting, rioting and unrest. Better keep doing what's been not working!
Why are you talking about local politics in a federal politics thread? One really has very little to nothing to do with the other in any practical way. But also, is that true?? Where are you getting your statistics on that? Can i see your source for the relation between crime and city or state government parties?
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Ted Cruz has officially endorsed Trump....I think the rest follow and its over for Hillary in November
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
I don't like him but I thought he at least had a spine for not endorsing Trump. Now I know he's gutless and I dislike him even more.
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
yeah im completely shocked he did this...he must have been promised a SCOTUS seat
He's trying to save his political career, now that the election looks like it's going to be close. At the convention he gambled the Trump was gonna lose uuuuuuuuuugggggeeeee!
There's no way this election is going to be close- the media is making it dramatic. Women and minorities are going to make it a landslide for Hillary. Sad that minorities are cool with prolonging the same empty promises and crappy treatment they've had in their democratic cities for a while now, and women will want to vote female- I probably would if I was a woman- but trumps going to get demolished and then talk about how the system is rigged on his talk show on fox for the following 6 months until they cancel his show
They sure as hell don't have a chance with the GOP. Of course they will vote democrat.
Of course they will, they've been duped into believing the party is for them. It's worked so far, just look at all the dem led cities, should be easy to find, they're the ones all over the news for looting, rioting and unrest. Better keep doing what's been not working!
Are you saying rural areas are having more economic success than urban areas?
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I had a client (I'm a CPA) that assembled punching bags. Wal Mart was their biggest client.
The purchasing agents would negotiate a price per bag....fair enough. The problem became that Wal Mart would adjust EVERY invoice that my client would send them. They would make adjustments for items they said were damaged (which happens...they would send the damaged items back) but also for "missing" items. Wal Mart would say they received 97 bags instead of 100. This happened with every shipment.
The owner actually started packing and checking the orders himself. He would always count the exact amount that was ordered and shipped...they STILL came back with the "missing" adjustment. Wal Mart's response was basically "if you want to do business with us you better just shut up."
That's how they get the lowest prices....in part.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I would go after his charity and Trump U. He needs to be painted as a dick to the regular guy. IMHO.
edit: I guess it's possible that they are just waiting until closer to the election. Keep the outrage bottled and release it then.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
just my 2 cents...don't kill the messenger
Possibly the only positive thing out of this election is that you no longer have to lie about how much you believe in God to be elected President.
Yet you keep dragging me back in.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
awesome...
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana