Should Apple unlock the Cali terrorists IPhone for the Feds ?

HughFreakingDillon

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

gimmesometruth27

RKCNDY said:

from what I understand, the phone was company owned, it was NOT a personal phone belonging to the terrorists.

The company could have installed a 'key' allowing them to access the phone at any time, password or not: http://bgr.com/2016/02/23/fbi-vs-apple-iphone-mdm-software/

Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.

who has the right, the company or the government?

how would the company compel the manufacturer to unlock the phone? companies can't compel other companies to operate in a certain manner. only the government could compel a company to do something. the issue is can the government dictate to apple what apple has to do regarding privacy of individual user?

i say the government can't impose it's will on apple on this specific issue.

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

i guess that whole thing about sacrificing freedom for security is out the window in this situation. i wonder if they had been of any other religion if they would feel differently. i didn't hear anything about a christian terrorist needing to have his phone unlocked by the manufacturer.

RKCNDY

gimmesometruth27 said:

RKCNDY said:

from what I understand, the phone was company owned, it was NOT a personal phone belonging to the terrorists.

The company could have installed a 'key' allowing them to access the phone at any time, password or not: http://bgr.com/2016/02/23/fbi-vs-apple-iphone-mdm-software/

Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.

who has the right, the company or the government?

how would the company compel the manufacturer to unlock the phone? companies can't compel other companies to operate in a certain manner. only the government could compel a company to do something. the issue is can the government dictate to apple what apple has to do regarding privacy of individual user?

i say the government can't impose it's will on apple on this specific issue.

Again, it wasn't a personal phone. When you work for a company, you are using their equipment; computer, desk phone, cell phone, systems, programs, etc. You sign a contract with the company releasing your privacy rights. Like when you are surfing the net, the company has the right to spy on your usage regardless if you are accessing your personal email or their own internal email because you are using company owned property. The company also has the right to spy on your usage of their wi-fi, even if you are accessing it with your personal phone. The phone belongs to the company, they have the right to view the information contained on the phone.

Why did they (the terrorists) destroy their own personal phones? Probably because there was some information on there. Since they did not destroy the company cell phone, I doubt there is anything of importance on the phone, but the company still retains that right.

If the terrorists did not destroy their own phones, and the government wanted access, I would probably feel differently, I know I'd be sitting on the fence at the least.

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

Like they saying goes, "Conservatives are only against big government except when they are for big government".

Smellyman

Conservatives love big government, unless it helps the people.

JC29856

Dog and pony show recap

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/james-comey-ducks-most-important-question-in-apple-fbi-fight

Gern Blansten

Apple should give it up. Anytime national security is involved it should be a done deal.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

Makes one question things doesn't it?

JC29856

Gern Blansten said:

Apple should give it up. Anytime national security is involved it should be a done deal.

national? Powerball is national.

ckravitz

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.

The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.

Yes thanks for clearing that up.

Uh? You stated that the data was deleted, I was just correcting that.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

Makes one question things doesn't it?

yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones...
I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?

Godfather.

jeffbr

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

Makes one question things doesn't it?

yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones...
I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?

Godfather.

Damning? Nothing. Sensitive? Plenty. Bank account logins, various passwords, emails. Plenty of things that I don't want anyone seeing. Especially the fucking feds.

Godfather.

ummmmmm .....yes you're right, personally I don't keep any of that stuff on my phone just in case I lose it (and I have once or twice) my phone e mail is very limited, nothing there I would worry about losing.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.

Makes one question things doesn't it?

yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones...
I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?

Godfather.

it's not about "terrorist phones". it's about the technology being out there for the terrorists to get their hands on and use it for untoward things. and it's about personal privacy.

I have zero to hide in my house. doesn't mean I'm ok with a video feed of my living room going to the FBI.

bootlegger10

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Agree.

callen

bootlegger10 said:

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Agree.

And why I understand why gun owners don't want to be on governments list.

bootlegger10

callen said:

bootlegger10 said:

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Agree.

And why I understand why gun owners don't want to be on governments list.

It certainly is a fine line and you can see everyone's viewpoint. I think what is going to change things is a large scale nuclear or biological attack.

Not to sound callous or uncaring, but there are 7 billing people living on Earth and if 20 die in a terrorist attack I don't think the other 6,999,999,980 people should give up their right to privacy. The day 20 people died from a terrorist attack, 150,000 died from other causes. People die. Some live to be 100 years old, some die from childhood cancer, some get a soccer ball hit to the heart and die at 16, and some die from a freak heart attack at 45 years of age. It is luck of the draw.

But I think a nuclear bomb wiping out a city would change public opinion significantly and all our privacy (the little we have left) is completely gone.

gimmesometruth27

why don't they waterboard the ceo of apple until he relents?

goooooo big government gooooo!!!

Go Beavers

A big problem with this is that the FBI wants a private company to basically do their work. This is not a good idea at all. Get a warrant, take the phone, and do whatever you want with it, but Apple following the FBI orders is a bad precedent.