Should Apple unlock the Cali terrorists IPhone for the Feds ?

rr165892
rr165892 Posts: 5,697
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It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
    I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

    It's not that simple though, if they create (it doesn't exist) a backdoor into the phone that backdoor will not go away, it will be used by hackers foreign and domestic, it will be requested for every crime, and foreign governments will pressure Apple to open back doors to political dissidents, they will either have to comply or pull out of those markets (Chinese for example)... All of that to expose what is likely ZERO useable information on the work phone in question.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
    I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

    Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    yes they should, lets not over think this.

    Godfather.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    No they shouldn't.
    Aside from the obvious, intrusions on privacy by government, if the
    Govt wants in, Hack it. Can't force company to give up it's secretes OR more importantly lower the value of its product.

    But get the segment of population that will give all for it's country. USA USA USA. WHOOT WHOOT.
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  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    rr165892 said:

    It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
    I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

    I completely agree.
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    edited February 2016
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
    I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

    Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.
    It seems crazy in this day and age that creating the means to opening one phone would do that. I'm pretty sure they've had to open other phones before that the public doesn't know about. Why do they have to make this such a complicated thing?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    No, they shouldn't. Let's not overthink this.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    pickupyourwill said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
    I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

    Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.
    It seems crazy in this day and age that creating the means to opening one phone would do that. I'm pretty sure they've had to open other phones before that the public doesn't know about. Why do they have to make this such a complicated thing?
    Exactly what it will do. And not just the Feds but the idiot local fkn cops.

    And if we force Apple to comply they should be compensated billions of dollars for loss of value. The Feds can track all calls and texts made. There are cameras everywhere. When does one say "Fuck it" give up all my rights due to fear. FUCK THAT.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,518
    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Go Apple. Go privacy.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Why do the Fed's need the phone hacked anyway should be the first question?
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    What's on that phone? The 16 year terrorist sleeper cell plot to blow up the universe?
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    JC29856 said:

    What's on that phone? The 16 year terrorist sleeper cell plot to blow up the universe?

    Probably Obummers direct number to the Oval Office...

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    deadendp said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
    I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

    Godfather.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Godfather. said:

    deadendp said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
    I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

    Godfather.

    They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

    Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    JC29856 said:

    Godfather. said:

    deadendp said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
    I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

    Godfather.

    They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

    Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"
    I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors Apple gives the fed's what ever they want .....nobody wants to piss off the federal government and have the IRS crawling up their ass's.

    Godfather.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Godfather. said:

    JC29856 said:

    Godfather. said:

    deadendp said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
    I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

    Godfather.

    They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

    Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"
    I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors Apple gives the fed's what ever they want .....nobody wants to piss off the federal government and have the IRS crawling up their ass's.

    Godfather.

    Funny...IRS!
    Apple avoided paying $9 billion in taxes in 2012 alone by holding $181 billion in off shore accounts more than any other "US" company. They are really really scared of the IRS!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    deadendp said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Im conflicted on this.

    I can see both sides of the argument.

    However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

    I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
    With both of you on this.

    I'm fairly sure light could be shed on other shitbags related to these two shitbags via the phone but as to the ramifications down the road? Who knows.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    callen said:

    Go Apple. Go privacy.

    Only Apple owns Apple users data dammit

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