Should Apple unlock the Cali terrorists IPhone for the Feds ?

rr165892

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

It's not that simple though, if they create (it doesn't exist) a backdoor into the phone that backdoor will not go away, it will be used by hackers foreign and domestic, it will be requested for every crime, and foreign governments will pressure Apple to open back doors to political dissidents, they will either have to comply or pull out of those markets (Chinese for example)... All of that to expose what is likely ZERO useable information on the work phone in question.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.

Godfather.

yes they should, lets not over think this.

Godfather.

callen

No they shouldn't.
Aside from the obvious, intrusions on privacy by government, if the
Govt wants in, Hack it. Can't force company to give up it's secretes OR more importantly lower the value of its product.

But get the segment of population that will give all for it's country. USA USA USA. WHOOT WHOOT.

pickupyourwill

rr165892 said:

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

I completely agree.

pickupyourwill

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.

It seems crazy in this day and age that creating the means to opening one phone would do that. I'm pretty sure they've had to open other phones before that the public doesn't know about. Why do they have to make this such a complicated thing?

dignin

No, they shouldn't. Let's not overthink this.

callen

pickupyourwill said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

It's my opinion they should.The crime has already been committed,So who's privacy exactly is Apple trying to protect?
I think as a "pre crime"thing it's the same as a wire tap and should be treated as such,but post mortem I think Apple should help the investigators fight these scum bags however the can be of assistance.

Everyone else's. If they do this, they open the floodgates, and there's no closing them back up.

It seems crazy in this day and age that creating the means to opening one phone would do that. I'm pretty sure they've had to open other phones before that the public doesn't know about. Why do they have to make this such a complicated thing?

Exactly what it will do. And not just the Feds but the idiot local fkn cops.

And if we force Apple to comply they should be compensated billions of dollars for loss of value. The Feds can track all calls and texts made. There are cameras everywhere. When does one say "Fuck it" give up all my rights due to fear. FUCK THAT.

Bentleyspop

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

callen

Go Apple. Go privacy.

JC29856

Why do the Fed's need the phone hacked anyway should be the first question?

deadendp

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

JC29856

What's on that phone? The 16 year terrorist sleeper cell plot to blow up the universe?

muskydan

JC29856 said:

What's on that phone? The 16 year terrorist sleeper cell plot to blow up the universe?

Probably Obummers direct number to the Oval Office...

Godfather.

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

Godfather.

JC29856

Godfather. said:

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

Godfather.

They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"

Godfather.

JC29856 said:

Godfather. said:

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

Godfather.

They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"

I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors Apple gives the fed's what ever they want .....nobody wants to piss off the federal government and have the IRS crawling up their ass's.

Godfather.

JC29856

Godfather. said:

JC29856 said:

Godfather. said:

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

Godfather.

They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"

I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors Apple gives the fed's what ever they want .....nobody wants to piss off the federal government and have the IRS crawling up their ass's.

Godfather.

Funny...IRS!
Apple avoided paying $9 billion in taxes in 2012 alone by holding $181 billion in off shore accounts more than any other "US" company. They are really really scared of the IRS!

hedonist

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

With both of you on this.

I'm fairly sure light could be shed on other shitbags related to these two shitbags via the phone but as to the ramifications down the road? Who knows.

Smellyman

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Only Apple owns Apple users data dammit

callen

Smellyman said:

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Only Apple owns Apple users data dammit

Touché' Smelly. Touché'.

brianlux

First we must unlock our minds. Then the answer will be obvious.

hedonist

I'm not sure how the mind (higher thinking?) enters into this, B.

Two people shot the fuck out of others - with much planning - had some help along the way, and there's opportunity to see who else had a hand in it. Who may have a hand in other shit.

Not even sure there is an answer.

Ledbetterman10

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

Ledbetterman10

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

jeffbr

If Apple has a way to limit the intrusion to this single iPhone, I'm all for it. If Apple needs to create something that the US government, or Chinese or Russian hackers can then use to access any/all iPhones, then no fucking way. The government has plenty of tools available already to spy on us, and they don't need any more at their disposal. People can dismiss privacy or liberty as trivial, but we need to be vigilant against any further encroachment of our liberties. Apple is doing the right thing so far. The first response to any call for breach of privacy from the government should be a big Fuck You.

Maybe there's a compromise where the gov't gives the phone to Apple and Apple dumps the data and provides it to the gov't. But giving the government more tools to violate our liberties is never the right answer.

Ledbetterman10

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

pickupyourwill

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.