Should Apple unlock the Cali terrorists IPhone for the Feds ?

ckravitz

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

JC29856

Smellyman said:

So everything we buy/own should have a gov backdoor that a company is responsible for? Cars, safes, houses, pc's, laptops, routers, usb keys, TVs, microwave etc.....

Goog point.

Jason P

Just hire a 13 year old nerd to unlock it

pickupyourwill

JC29856 said:

Godfather. said:

deadendp said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.

I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?

Godfather.

They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....

Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"

I respect that. It starts with one, then the 12, then it can get out of control--an invasion on everyone's privacy. Someone mentioned that if Apple had a way of giving them the data without the phone codes, etc.?, so that Apple still had some control over the situation. I don't know. In the end you might not be getting any good terrorist info to go on. I guess it is good to know from all this that Apple really cares about its customers' privacy, but its mind-boggling that the gov't and Apple can't work something out to help a good, common ground cause. It reminds you that all the high tech hacking you see on t.v. shows about the CIA and FBI, is still really worlds away from real life.

JC29856

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.

Godfather.

Jason P said:

Just hire a 13 year old nerd to unlock it

yes !

Godfather.

JC29856

Crazy that some pervert can hack phones for celebrity nude pics but the best government money can buy can't hack an iPhone to stop terrorists.

callen

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

Design flaw? To make personal device safe from hacking?

No it's a great selling feature.

Ledbetterman10

callen said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

Design flaw? To make personal device safe from hacking?

No it's a great selling feature.

Apple should be able to hack it themselves though without risking the security of every iPhone on the planet. Like if I lost forgot my password, I should be able to mail my phone to Apple and have them unlock it.

Godfather.

so is this all a ruse to cover up something bigger ? maybe we should be keeping our eye on the big picture, sneaky government anyway..not like it would be the first time a distraction was used to sneak in something else. LOL !!!!!

Godfather.

ckravitz

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.

The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

yes they should, lets not over think this.

Godfather.

Yeah, thinking and looking at all the angles is for suckers!

JC29856

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.

The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.

Yes thanks for clearing that up.

JC29856

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

ckravitz said:

JC29856 said:

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.

Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.

Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.

Edit Reason: fixed than/then

The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.

The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.

Yes thanks for clearing that up.

gimmesometruth27

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

josevolution

Yeah the conservatives here are the 1st to cry foul about to big a government in your lives and now they want to just give in and strip another freedom from our daily lives .....it's called personal privacy for a reason ...

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 said:

absolutely not.

come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?

we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.

i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.

Good question.

RKCNDY

from what I understand, the phone was company owned, it was NOT a personal phone belonging to the terrorists.

The company could have installed a 'key' allowing them to access the phone at any time, password or not: http://bgr.com/2016/02/23/fbi-vs-apple-iphone-mdm-software/

Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.

callen

josevolution said:

Yeah the conservatives here are the 1st to cry foul about to big a government in your lives and now they want to just give in and strip another freedom from our daily lives .....it's called personal privacy for a reason ...

Yeah but we got to git them terrorists. Privacy and rights be damned!!! USA USA USA.

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

apparently it was intentional. it's to ensure to their customers that even APPLE doesn't have access to their information. that's the whole point.