come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.
who has the right, the company or the government?
how would the company compel the manufacturer to unlock the phone? companies can't compel other companies to operate in a certain manner. only the government could compel a company to do something. the issue is can the government dictate to apple what apple has to do regarding privacy of individual user?
i say the government can't impose it's will on apple on this specific issue.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
i guess that whole thing about sacrificing freedom for security is out the window in this situation. i wonder if they had been of any other religion if they would feel differently. i didn't hear anything about a christian terrorist needing to have his phone unlocked by the manufacturer.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.
who has the right, the company or the government?
how would the company compel the manufacturer to unlock the phone? companies can't compel other companies to operate in a certain manner. only the government could compel a company to do something. the issue is can the government dictate to apple what apple has to do regarding privacy of individual user?
i say the government can't impose it's will on apple on this specific issue.
Again, it wasn't a personal phone. When you work for a company, you are using their equipment; computer, desk phone, cell phone, systems, programs, etc. You sign a contract with the company releasing your privacy rights. Like when you are surfing the net, the company has the right to spy on your usage regardless if you are accessing your personal email or their own internal email because you are using company owned property. The company also has the right to spy on your usage of their wi-fi, even if you are accessing it with your personal phone. The phone belongs to the company, they have the right to view the information contained on the phone.
Why did they (the terrorists) destroy their own personal phones? Probably because there was some information on there. Since they did not destroy the company cell phone, I doubt there is anything of importance on the phone, but the company still retains that right.
If the terrorists did not destroy their own phones, and the government wanted access, I would probably feel differently, I know I'd be sitting on the fence at the least.
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come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
Like they saying goes, "Conservatives are only against big government except when they are for big government".
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come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
Makes one question things doesn't it?
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However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
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The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.
The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.
Yes thanks for clearing that up.
Uh? You stated that the data was deleted, I was just correcting that.
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
Makes one question things doesn't it?
yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones... I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
Makes one question things doesn't it?
yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones... I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?
Godfather.
Damning? Nothing. Sensitive? Plenty. Bank account logins, various passwords, emails. Plenty of things that I don't want anyone seeing. Especially the fucking feds.
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ummmmmm .....yes you're right, personally I don't keep any of that stuff on my phone just in case I lose it (and I have once or twice) my phone e mail is very limited, nothing there I would worry about losing.
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
this was the first thing I noticed about this thread......those that hate the democrats and too much government are seemingly ok with them having access to all our personal information. GF for one, said "let's not overthink this", then turned around in his next post calling them "sneaky government". I don't get it.
Makes one question things doesn't it?
yes the government is sneaky and yes we should let apple hack terrorist phones... I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?
Godfather.
it's not about "terrorist phones". it's about the technology being out there for the terrorists to get their hands on and use it for untoward things. and it's about personal privacy.
I have zero to hide in my house. doesn't mean I'm ok with a video feed of my living room going to the FBI.
And why I understand why gun owners don't want to be on governments list.
It certainly is a fine line and you can see everyone's viewpoint. I think what is going to change things is a large scale nuclear or biological attack.
Not to sound callous or uncaring, but there are 7 billing people living on Earth and if 20 die in a terrorist attack I don't think the other 6,999,999,980 people should give up their right to privacy. The day 20 people died from a terrorist attack, 150,000 died from other causes. People die. Some live to be 100 years old, some die from childhood cancer, some get a soccer ball hit to the heart and die at 16, and some die from a freak heart attack at 45 years of age. It is luck of the draw.
But I think a nuclear bomb wiping out a city would change public opinion significantly and all our privacy (the little we have left) is completely gone.
A big problem with this is that the FBI wants a private company to basically do their work. This is not a good idea at all. Get a warrant, take the phone, and do whatever you want with it, but Apple following the FBI orders is a bad precedent.
Soooooo,any of you using Samsung voice activation on a web enabled TV or remote? Report out that they can reverse listen in to your living room.another privacy issue at hand.
Soooooo,any of you using Samsung voice activation on a web enabled TV or remote? Report out that they can reverse listen in to your living room.another privacy issue at hand.
What's on that phone? The 16 year terrorist sleeper cell plot to blow up the universe?
A locked phone used by a dead terrorist initially may have seemed like the perfect test case for law enforcement to argue that it needs ways to get around advanced device security.
But authorities may have picked the wrong phone after all. It’s becoming increasingly clear that law enforcement doesn’t really think there’s any important data on San Bernardino killer Syed Rizwan Farook’s iPhone and that it has more precedent-setting value than investigative value.
“I’ll be honest with you, I think that there is a reasonably good chance that there is nothing of any value on the phone,” San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan told NPR reporter Steve Inskeep on Friday.
Consider that it was Farook’s work phone, actually belonging to San Bernardino County, his employer. Farook also had and used two personal phones and a laptop, which he demolished before he and his wife left their home to shoot 14 people dead at an office holiday party.
Between Apple, Verizon, and the National Security Agency, which turned over metadata, the authorities had plenty of phone data, none of which indicated any overseas terror connection.
They even had data from the iPhone in question up until six weeks before the shooting, because of its iCloud backups. And the FBI might have been able to back up the phone again if it hadn’t told the county government to reset its iCloud password.
FBI Director James Comey has acknowledged the possibility that there’s nothing useful on the phone. “Maybe the phone holds the clue to finding more terrorists. Maybe it doesn’t,” he wrote in a letter posted on the blog Lawfare on Sunday.
Apple lawyers don’t believe the FBI really cares about this particular phone at all.
In a motion filed on Thursday, they wrote that the bureau’s director would never talk at such length about an ongoing investigation if he had any suspicion that there might be a co-conspirator to convict.
“This is the only case in counsel’s memory in which an FBI director has blogged in real-time about pending litigation, suggesting that the government does not believe the data on the phone will yield critical evidence about other suspects,” read the motion.
Not to sound sick or twisted, but newer iPhones have a fingerprint reader, why not unlock the phone using the suspects fingerprints? Maybe I have not been following the story, but dig them back up and unlock the phone. Unless they were cremated then it is impossible.
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ft✉⎕ Apple Wins Major Court Victory in its Battle Against FBI in a Case Similar to San Bernardino Glenn Greenwald, Jenna McLaughlin Feb. 29 2016, 7:02 p.m. Photo: Julie Jacobson/AP Apple today scored a major legal victory in its battle against the FBI when a Magistrate Judge in New York rejected the U.S. Government’s request as part of a drug case to force the company to help it extract data from a locked iPhone. The ruling from U.S. Magistrate James Orenstein was issued as part of the criminal case against Jun Feng, who pleaded guilty in October to drug charges, and is a significant boost to Apple’s well-publicized campaign to resist the FBI’s similar efforts in the case of the San Bernardino killers.
ft✉⎕ Apple Wins Major Court Victory in its Battle Against FBI in a Case Similar to San Bernardino Glenn Greenwald, Jenna McLaughlin Feb. 29 2016, 7:02 p.m. Photo: Julie Jacobson/AP Apple today scored a major legal victory in its battle against the FBI when a Magistrate Judge in New York rejected the U.S. Government’s request as part of a drug case to force the company to help it extract data from a locked iPhone. The ruling from U.S. Magistrate James Orenstein was issued as part of the criminal case against Jun Feng, who pleaded guilty in October to drug charges, and is a significant boost to Apple’s well-publicized campaign to resist the FBI’s similar efforts in the case of the San Bernardino killers.
damn it obama! can't you use your royal authority and decree that apple must comply? get it together your highness.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
why don't they waterboard the ceo of apple until he relents?
goooooo big government gooooo!!!
nice, gimme
I'm conflicted but.....oh goddammit, if I can believe Rubio.....what's really being asked is "please disable the phone will melt down feature so we (FBI) can try to crack it".....not "unlock it for us"
If I had known then what I know now...
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why don't they waterboard the ceo of apple until he relents?
goooooo big government gooooo!!!
nice, gimme
I'm conflicted but.....oh goddammit, if I can believe Rubio.....what's really being asked is "please disable the phone will melt down feature so we (FBI) can try to crack it".....not "unlock it for us"
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how would the company compel the manufacturer to unlock the phone? companies can't compel other companies to operate in a certain manner. only the government could compel a company to do something. the issue is can the government dictate to apple what apple has to do regarding privacy of individual user?
i say the government can't impose it's will on apple on this specific issue.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Why did they (the terrorists) destroy their own personal phones? Probably because there was some information on there. Since they did not destroy the company cell phone, I doubt there is anything of importance on the phone, but the company still retains that right.
If the terrorists did not destroy their own phones, and the government wanted access, I would probably feel differently, I know I'd be sitting on the fence at the least.
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I don't like government ease dropping anymore than anybody else but when it comes to terrorism I have to agree with whatever is used to obtain information, besides what do you have in your phone that is so damning you need to hide from anyone ?
Godfather.
Godfather.
I have zero to hide in my house. doesn't mean I'm ok with a video feed of my living room going to the FBI.
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Not to sound callous or uncaring, but there are 7 billing people living on Earth and if 20 die in a terrorist attack I don't think the other 6,999,999,980 people should give up their right to privacy. The day 20 people died from a terrorist attack, 150,000 died from other causes. People die. Some live to be 100 years old, some die from childhood cancer, some get a soccer ball hit to the heart and die at 16, and some die from a freak heart attack at 45 years of age. It is luck of the draw.
But I think a nuclear bomb wiping out a city would change public opinion significantly and all our privacy (the little we have left) is completely gone.
goooooo big government gooooo!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supply?
Report out that they can reverse listen in to your living room.another privacy issue at hand.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/09/technology/security/samsung-smart-tv-privacy/
But authorities may have picked the wrong phone after all. It’s becoming increasingly clear that law enforcement doesn’t really think there’s any important data on San Bernardino killer Syed Rizwan Farook’s iPhone and that it has more precedent-setting value than investigative value.
“I’ll be honest with you, I think that there is a reasonably good chance that there is nothing of any value on the phone,” San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan told NPR reporter Steve Inskeep on Friday.
Consider that it was Farook’s work phone, actually belonging to San Bernardino County, his employer. Farook also had and used two personal phones and a laptop, which he demolished before he and his wife left their home to shoot 14 people dead at an office holiday party.
Between Apple, Verizon, and the National Security Agency, which turned over metadata, the authorities had plenty of phone data, none of which indicated any overseas terror connection.
They even had data from the iPhone in question up until six weeks before the shooting, because of its iCloud backups. And the FBI might have been able to back up the phone again if it hadn’t told the county government to reset its iCloud password.
FBI Director James Comey has acknowledged the possibility that there’s nothing useful on the phone. “Maybe the phone holds the clue to finding more terrorists. Maybe it doesn’t,” he wrote in a letter posted on the blog Lawfare on Sunday.
Apple lawyers don’t believe the FBI really cares about this particular phone at all.
In a motion filed on Thursday, they wrote that the bureau’s director would never talk at such length about an ongoing investigation if he had any suspicion that there might be a co-conspirator to convict.
“This is the only case in counsel’s memory in which an FBI director has blogged in real-time about pending litigation, suggesting that the government does not believe the data on the phone will yield critical evidence about other suspects,” read the motion.
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/26/farooks-iphone-is-probably-useless-even-the-police-say-so/
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Apple Wins Major Court Victory in its Battle Against FBI in a Case Similar to San Bernardino
Glenn Greenwald, Jenna McLaughlin
Feb. 29 2016, 7:02 p.m.
Photo: Julie Jacobson/AP
Apple today scored a major legal victory in its battle against the FBI when a Magistrate Judge in New York rejected the U.S. Government’s request as part of a drug case to force the company to help it extract data from a locked iPhone. The ruling from U.S. Magistrate James Orenstein was issued as part of the criminal case against Jun Feng, who pleaded guilty in October to drug charges, and is a significant boost to Apple’s well-publicized campaign to resist the FBI’s similar efforts in the case of the San Bernardino killers.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm conflicted but.....oh goddammit, if I can believe Rubio.....what's really being asked is "please disable the phone will melt down feature so we (FBI) can try to crack it".....not "unlock it for us"
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That's a good one!