I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
that's the golden egg......Apple gives that up and they will watch customers run away . that was very interesting piece of information but still I say give the feds what they need to fight these terrorist.
Why do the Fed's need the phone hacked anyway should be the first question?
To get terrorist information--maybe some names and places of others involved that are still living and might strike again.
If that's the only reason to hack the phone then I say it's not good enough. Allow a backdoor to everyone's phone just to maybe catch a few terrorists. Zero social cost benefit.
You have a better chance of hitting the Powerball twice then be killed by terrorist.
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
Let the government figure it out themselves.
Well I think they've already tried and failed at that. That's why they've gone to Apple. Next they'll probably ask Mark Zuckerberg to invest $1 Billion in "Government Ideas"
If Apple has a way to limit the intrusion to this single iPhone, I'm all for it. If Apple needs to create something that the US government, or Chinese or Russian hackers can then use to access any/all iPhones, then no fucking way. The government has plenty of tools available already to spy on us, and they don't need any more at their disposal. People can dismiss privacy or liberty as trivial, but we need to be vigilant against any further encroachment of our liberties. Apple is doing the right thing so far. The first response to any call for breach of privacy from the government should be a big Fuck You.
Maybe there's a compromise where the gov't gives the phone to Apple and Apple dumps the data and provides it to the gov't. But giving the government more tools to violate our liberties is never the right answer.
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
Let the government figure it out themselves.
Well I think they've already tried and failed at that. That's why they've gone to Apple. Next they'll probably ask Mark Zuckerberg to invest $1 Billion in "Government Ideas"
So everything we buy/own should have a gov backdoor that a company is responsible for? Cars, safes, houses, pc's, laptops, routers, usb keys, TVs, microwave etc.....
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
So everything we buy/own should have a gov backdoor that a company is responsible for? Cars, safes, houses, pc's, laptops, routers, usb keys, TVs, microwave etc.....
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I'm with you. On the fence. I can see both sides. I don't know what the answer is.
I can't see why they haven't already ? didn't the fed's bust these guy's already ? so why is hacking their phones a big deal ?
Godfather.
They wanted 1iPhone then 24 hours later they wanted 12 other iPhones hacked. soon it's 120 then 1,200 then 12,000 then 120,000 then 1,200,000 then 1,2000,000 then 12,000,000.....
Apple says "the US government is asking us questions communist China never asked!"
I respect that. It starts with one, then the 12, then it can get out of control--an invasion on everyone's privacy. Someone mentioned that if Apple had a way of giving them the data without the phone codes, etc.?, so that Apple still had some control over the situation. I don't know. In the end you might not be getting any good terrorist info to go on. I guess it is good to know from all this that Apple really cares about its customers' privacy, but its mind-boggling that the gov't and Apple can't work something out to help a good, common ground cause. It reminds you that all the high tech hacking you see on t.v. shows about the CIA and FBI, is still really worlds away from real life.
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
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The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
Design flaw? To make personal device safe from hacking?
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
Design flaw? To make personal device safe from hacking?
No it's a great selling feature.
Apple should be able to hack it themselves though without risking the security of every iPhone on the planet. Like if I lost forgot my password, I should be able to mail my phone to Apple and have them unlock it.
so is this all a ruse to cover up something bigger ? maybe we should be keeping our eye on the big picture, sneaky government anyway..not like it would be the first time a distraction was used to sneak in something else. LOL !!!!!
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
Edit Reason: fixed than/then
The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.
The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
Edit Reason: fixed than/then
The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.
The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.
However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.
I agree.
No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!
Not true. If it is a case of encryption keys then only the party holding the key can unlock it. I'm pretty sure if it was just a technical issue the government folks would have unlocked it long ago without all the fuss.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
Edit Reason: fixed than/then
The phones data was already deleted because of failed password attemps, Fed's want Apple to recreate the data on this one phone AND to rewrite Iphone software to make it possible to guess possible passwords quickly and automatically.
The data is not "deleted" it is merely erased from a user point of view and the entire hard drive is encrypted. If the data was truly gone, the entire discussion would be a moot point, because even they cannot recreate truly wiped data.
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Yeah the conservatives here are the 1st to cry foul about to big a government in your lives and now they want to just give in and strip another freedom from our daily lives .....it's called personal privacy for a reason ...
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
Good question.
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Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.
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Yeah the conservatives here are the 1st to cry foul about to big a government in your lives and now they want to just give in and strip another freedom from our daily lives .....it's called personal privacy for a reason ...
Yeah but we got to git them terrorists. Privacy and rights be damned!!! USA USA USA.
I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?
I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...
Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.
That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?
The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.
Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.
apparently it was intentional. it's to ensure to their customers that even APPLE doesn't have access to their information. that's the whole point.
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that was very interesting piece of information but still I say give the feds what they need to fight these terrorist.
Godfather.
You have a better chance of hitting the Powerball twice then be killed by terrorist.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Godfather.
Furthermore, the encryption key is specific to each device so this notion that it will suddenly provide know-how for the whole world really isn't valid.
Shit, even one of tech's very own, Bill Gates, is complaining that Apple may be making much more out of this than there really is.
Edit Reason: fixed than/then
Godfather.
No it's a great selling feature.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Godfather.
come on conservatives, what happened to you not wanting the government sticking it's big old nose into private citizens' lives?
we as a people should be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy. if apple caves, it will open up a pandora's box of what is and is not private.
i am not giving up my right to privacy so the government can snoop around because of the war on turr. because they feel threatened. because they want to control what i do on my private communication devices. and i have nothing to hide.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The company could have installed a 'key' allowing them to access the phone at any time, password or not: http://bgr.com/2016/02/23/fbi-vs-apple-iphone-mdm-software/
Most likely, since it is a company phone there isn't anything on that phone that would be useful. Though, since it is a company owned phone, they have a right to access the information contained on the phone.
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