Should Apple unlock the Cali terrorists IPhone for the Feds ?

callen

Smellyman said:

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Only Apple owns Apple users data dammit

Touché' Smelly. Touché'.

brianlux

First we must unlock our minds. Then the answer will be obvious.

hedonist

I'm not sure how the mind (higher thinking?) enters into this, B.

Two people shot the fuck out of others - with much planning - had some help along the way, and there's opportunity to see who else had a hand in it. Who may have a hand in other shit.

Not even sure there is an answer.

Ledbetterman10

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

Ledbetterman10

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

jeffbr

If Apple has a way to limit the intrusion to this single iPhone, I'm all for it. If Apple needs to create something that the US government, or Chinese or Russian hackers can then use to access any/all iPhones, then no fucking way. The government has plenty of tools available already to spy on us, and they don't need any more at their disposal. People can dismiss privacy or liberty as trivial, but we need to be vigilant against any further encroachment of our liberties. Apple is doing the right thing so far. The first response to any call for breach of privacy from the government should be a big Fuck You.

Maybe there's a compromise where the gov't gives the phone to Apple and Apple dumps the data and provides it to the gov't. But giving the government more tools to violate our liberties is never the right answer.

Ledbetterman10

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

pickupyourwill

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

pickupyourwill

JC29856 said:

Why do the Fed's need the phone hacked anyway should be the first question?

To get terrorist information--maybe some names and places of others involved that are still living and might strike again.

ckravitz

Smellyman said:

callen said:

Go Apple. Go privacy.

Only Apple owns Apple users data dammit

Exactly.

JC29856

pickupyourwill said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im conflicted on this.

I can see both sides of the argument.

However, there must be a work around that the geniuses at Apple can come up with ( if they haven't already) to make this happen.

I agree.

No one is stopping the geniuses in the government from hacking the phone themselves!

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

Let the government figure it out themselves.

Godfather.

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

that's the golden egg......Apple gives that up and they will watch customers run away .
that was very interesting piece of information but still I say give the feds what they need to fight these terrorist.

Godfather.

JC29856

pickupyourwill said:

JC29856 said:

Why do the Fed's need the phone hacked anyway should be the first question?

To get terrorist information--maybe some names and places of others involved that are still living and might strike again.

If that's the only reason to hack the phone then I say it's not good enough. Allow a backdoor to everyone's phone just to maybe catch a few terrorists. Zero social cost benefit.

You have a better chance of hitting the Powerball twice then be killed by terrorist.

Ledbetterman10

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

Let the government figure it out themselves.

Well I think they've already tried and failed at that. That's why they've gone to Apple. Next they'll probably ask Mark Zuckerberg to invest $1 Billion in "Government Ideas"

Godfather.

jeffbr said:

If Apple has a way to limit the intrusion to this single iPhone, I'm all for it. If Apple needs to create something that the US government, or Chinese or Russian hackers can then use to access any/all iPhones, then no fucking way. The government has plenty of tools available already to spy on us, and they don't need any more at their disposal. People can dismiss privacy or liberty as trivial, but we need to be vigilant against any further encroachment of our liberties. Apple is doing the right thing so far. The first response to any call for breach of privacy from the government should be a big Fuck You.

Maybe there's a compromise where the gov't gives the phone to Apple and Apple dumps the data and provides it to the gov't. But giving the government more tools to violate our liberties is never the right answer.

good argument.

Godfather.

JC29856

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JC29856 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I think they should. A landlord has keys to the apartment of his tenants. If the tenant murdered 14 people and the police came to the landlord with a search warrant, then the landlord would allow the police access to the apartment. Isn't this similar?

I understand the argument against it; our privacy this and our privacy that. But come on...

Not quite, for it to be similar, the landlords key would have to unlock the door to everyone's apartment, like everyone in the world that has an apartment.

That's what I'm confused about: So by unlocking this particular phone they'd have to unlock everybody's phone?

The codes that secure Apple iPhone is the same for every iPhone, if you had the code to hack 1 iPhone you have the code to hack every and all iPhones.

Well that seems like a design flaw on Apple's part. You would think they'd have a way to access any phone manually if they had the phone in their possession. Like they'd have a "master computer" or something that you can hook an iPhone up to that would override the security measures allowing an iPhone to be hacked into without sharing codes with anyone.

Let the government figure it out themselves.

Well I think they've already tried and failed at that. That's why they've gone to Apple. Next they'll probably ask Mark Zuckerberg to invest $1 Billion in "Government Ideas"

Yeezy there!

Smellyman

So everything we buy/own should have a gov backdoor that a company is responsible for? Cars, safes, houses, pc's, laptops, routers, usb keys, TVs, microwave etc.....