Bernie Sanders for President

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June 02, 2016, 07:41 pm
Poll: Sanders edging Clinton out in California

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

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Sanders is beating Obama’s 2008 youth vote record. And the primary’s not even over.

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11818320/bernie-sanders-barack-obama-2008

Bernie Sanders isn't just winning the youth vote — he's crushing it.

A new analysis from Tufts University shows that Sanders has now surpassed Barack Obama's 2008 Democratic primary totals among young people in the 25 states where we can draw a comparison — whether you count by raw vote total or percentage of the overall vote share.

In 2008, the press marveled that Obama beat Hillary Clinton by 60 to 35 points among voters under 30, racking up around 2.2 million young votes throughout the primary.

Now Sanders is beating Clinton by a 71-to-28 margin, receiving more than 2.4 million votes from young voters in the 25 states we can compare, according to numbers compiled by Kei Kawashima-Ginsberg, director of the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement at Tufts.

"The energy that young voters have kept up throughout the primary has been incredible," Kawashima-Ginsberg says in an interview. "It's been amazing to see."

Sanders's insurgency is being powered by young people, who are thrilling to his message in what looks like historic numbers...

Jearlpam0925

Free said:

For the poll lovers.

June 02, 2016, 07:41 pm
Poll: Sanders edging Clinton out in California

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

I'm sorry....what were you saying? I couldn't hear you over all this rebellion.

mrussel1

Jearlpam0925 said:

Free said:

For the poll lovers.

June 02, 2016, 07:41 pm
Poll: Sanders edging Clinton out in California

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

I'm sorry....what were you saying? I couldn't hear you over all this rebellion.

When you're in a bubble, it always seems louder. It's the "everyone I know" logic.

Cliffy6745

Time to do whats right, Bernie. It's over. Don't screw this up for the entire party. Heard a knucklehead on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nod. Not sure it's possible to say something more idiotic.

How is this process unfair? Hillary has beaten him by something like 3 million votes.

It's over.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 said:

Time to do whats right, Bernie. It's over. Don't screw this up for the entire party. Heard a knucklehead on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nod. Not sure it's possible to say something more idiotic.

How is this process unfair? Hillary has beaten him by something like 3 million votes.

It's over.

I'll steal what I said from the Hillary thread - First, they're bitching that superdelegates are unfair and want them eliminated, but then they're bitching that it's not over yet because the SD's have the opportunity to change their vote, then that's all on the precedent that "the people" want change....yet, Hillary has 3 million more voters in the popular vote. As a whole, it's the fucking 16 year old rebellious kid yelling just to fucking yell. Please. Just stop already. The fact that I have to be associated with these idiots makes me embarrassed.

For either candidate to win they would need superdelegates (which Hillary is winning), or you go strict popular vote (which Hillary is also winning). And even if you tripled Bernie's SD support he'd still be not even be an eyelash closer to what Clinton has. And there's the fact that SD support Bernie has had are coming out saying that the party now has to unite behind Clinton.

People are very, very dumb.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Time to do whats right, Bernie. It's over. Don't screw this up for the entire party. Heard a knucklehead on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nod. Not sure it's possible to say something more idiotic.

How is this process unfair? Hillary has beaten him by something like 3 million votes.

It's over.

I'll steal what I said from the Hillary thread - First, they're bitching that superdelegates are unfair and want them eliminated, but then they're bitching that it's not over yet because the SD's have the opportunity to change their vote, then that's all on the precedent that "the people" want change....yet, Hillary has 3 million more voters in the popular vote. As a whole, it's the fucking 16 year old rebellious kid yelling just to fucking yell. Please. Just stop already. The fact that I have to be associated with these idiots makes me embarrassed.

For either candidate to win they would need superdelegates (which Hillary is winning), or you go strict popular vote (which Hillary is also winning). And even if you tripled Bernie's SD support he'd still be not even be an eyelash closer to what Clinton has. And there's the fact that SD support Bernie has had are coming out saying that the party now has to unite behind Clinton.

People are very, very dumb.

Bingo. Who in the hell would have thought that the Dems could have a contested convention and the right wouldn't?

jeffbr

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

Cliffy6745

Yeah, except for the fact it is won

Jearlpam0925

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

You don't think the same point you're making of how "the media wants it" just drips with irony when you ignore the fact that that same media does have an impression on people right? I mean, per the logic you're presenting, the media & its coverage has an influence on this election but not the GE?. And if that's the case, then perception of unity within a party is a huge ordeal. One you're willing to ignore, and how it effects the general election, for the purpose of just believing - again, per that logic - that the media has "won" an election for Clinton but does not, in any way whatsoever, effect the subsequent general election nor how the perception of the party as whole is seen. That's just all-around flawed logic.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

Cliffy6745

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

You know how the media calls states before every vote has been counted? Yeah, same thing.

Like I said, heard a guy on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if not Bernie. Enough said.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

You know how the media calls states before every vote has been counted? Yeah, same thing.

Like I said, heard a guy on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if not Bernie. Enough said.

It's funny how many dudes are not voting for Hillary strictly based on her being a woman.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

I agree that the media shouldn't be making those pronouncements so prematurely, and probably should have waited one more day. But to me it was the same as if they announced that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. It hasn't happened yet, but there is a pretty high degree of certainty.

There are many Bernie supporters who will assist Trump in his quest for office simply by bailing from the process unless Bernie steps up and faces reality, The Bernie or Bust people, by not participating in the general will help Trump. So while they aren't supporting Trump, they are assisting him. Bernie needs to pretend he has some leadership skills and do the right thing. The republicans fucked themselves by having so many candidates in the clown car, and not rallying behind someone more reasonable against Trump. Had they narrowed the field, and pitted one establishment party candidate against Trump a few months earlier, they might have been able to put up an actual candidate. Instead, their egos or their fantasies got in the way, and their party was screwed. Same as what Bernie is now doing to the dems.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

You know how the media calls states before every vote has been counted? Yeah, same thing.

Like I said, heard a guy on NPR this morning say he's voting for Trump if not Bernie. Enough said.

It's funny how many dudes are not voting for Hillary strictly based on her being a woman.

Never underestimate how dumb people are

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

It may have been wrong but HRC didn't want it either. It doesn't make her any less the nominee.

The guy spent a month in California and lost by 12. He spent weeks in NY and got clobbered. He lost FL, VA, NC, OH, PA. These are the swing states. He lost pledged, super, and total vote. There is literally no argument for him not to concede, other than stubbornness or narcissism. He has the influence to shape the platform, but he will lose it if he doesn't drop by next week.

Ledbetterman10

Sanders reminds me of a football team that is losing by 30 points with 20 seconds to go, they complete a pass for a first down, and then they call time-out. "Sure we're beat and just wasting everybody's time...BUT HE HAVE 20 SECONDS LEFT AND WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH THOSE 20 SECONDS!"

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

I get that Bernie wants to take his "revolution" to the convention, but he needs to stop lying to his supporters. It's over. Hillary has complete control. She owns the popular vote, the delegates, and the superdelegate count. The only thing Bernie is doing now is helping Trump. If that's his goal, then well played, Bernie.

I don't see how it would be helping Trump. The general election campaign isn't happening yet. Whether Bernie bows out now, or makes his point by staying in the race until the Dem nomination is ACTUALLY won, instead of fake-won the way the media wants it, it won't impact how the two ACTUAL nominees go head to head.

The general election campaigning is currently under way. The presumptive nominees have been decided, and both the presumptive nominees are focused on one another. So if Bernie keeps up his campaign against Hillary, that is providing fuel for Trump. It also essentially pits Hillary against Trump and Bernie. Bernie needs to help unite the party. The longer he battles Clinton, the more damage he's doing to the Dems chances in the general. His current fight against Clinton is an exercise in futility. If he plays nicely he can still have an influence on the party platform. But at this point he isn't and won't be the nominee. He needs to stop pretending.

Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know, I have no idea. But I really don't think that Bernie continuing to campaign will make those who wouldn't vote for Trump now change their minds. I honestly do not think that it will have the kind of impact you're suggesting. Also, I think that just on principle alone, Bernie has a good point. The way the media has played this nomination "announcement" is just plain wrong.

It may have been wrong but HRC didn't want it either. It doesn't make her any less the nominee.

The guy spent a month in California and lost by 12. He spent weeks in NY and got clobbered. He lost FL, VA, NC, OH, PA. These are the swing states. He lost pledged, super, and total vote. There is literally no argument for him not to concede, other than stubbornness or narcissism. He has the influence to shape the platform, but he will lose it if he doesn't drop by next week.

Well, it does actually make her less the nominee, because she's not the nominee until she is nominated!

I think there are a few arguments for him not to concede myself. I'm not saying that I agree with them in the long run (although do on principle if not in practice), but they are still valid arguments IMO. Perhaps stubbornness has something to do with it (which isn't always a bad thing), but I don't think narcissism does. And remember, you can't lose pledged or SD votes until you lose them. This is the main point. Until the convention, he hasn't lost those, and Hillary hasn't won them. I understand that predictions hold some water, but I don't feel like they're being handled as prediction anymore, which is a real problem.