Bernie Sanders for President

meganrose

Gern Blansten said:

Bernie is awesome. I don't think he can beat Hillary but we would be well off with him in the White House.

I believe he can beat her, not because i'm biased towards him, but because of his growing strength with younger people. Also, he is doing a lot better among minorities. The more people see him and hear his ideas I think eventually he'll make a lot more headway. If he wins Iowa and New Hamp. it's a whole new ballgame.

meganrose

Keep in mind--There are more Millennials than there are Baby Boomers. If voter turnout is high, he wins.

MayDay10

meganrose said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bernie is awesome. I don't think he can beat Hillary but we would be well off with him in the White House.

I believe he can beat her, not because i'm biased towards him, but because of his growing strength with younger people. Also, he is doing a lot better among minorities. The more people see him and hear his ideas I think eventually he'll make a lot more headway. If he wins Iowa and New Hamp. it's a whole new ballgame.

He can't.
We still are not ready for him yet. We are moving towards that. The Bernie movement seems slightly stronger than Ron Paul... and I expect whoever of the same cloth comes around in 2020 will gain a little more traction. More and more people are realizing that they can bind together and support candidates who have actual principles. Hopefully we can get there before the average citizens of this country have been picked to the bones.

Unfortunately, the voice of the establishment is still stronger than the people. If Bernie ever becomes a threat, Hillary or Rubio or whoever will just cart out the "Socialist" tag or something else 'controversial' that Bernie wont run from... and itll be all over. The news networks will run it on loop and average Americans will be scared away without ever listening to the guy.

ldent42

MayDay10 said:

meganrose said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bernie is awesome. I don't think he can beat Hillary but we would be well off with him in the White House.

I believe he can beat her, not because i'm biased towards him, but because of his growing strength with younger people. Also, he is doing a lot better among minorities. The more people see him and hear his ideas I think eventually he'll make a lot more headway. If he wins Iowa and New Hamp. it's a whole new ballgame.

He can't.
We still are not ready for him yet. We are moving towards that. The Bernie movement seems slightly stronger than Ron Paul... and I expect whoever of the same cloth comes around in 2020 will gain a little more traction. More and more people are realizing that they can bind together and support candidates who have actual principles. Hopefully we can get there before the average citizens of this country have been picked to the bones.

Unfortunately, the voice of the establishment is still stronger than the people. If Bernie ever becomes a threat, Hillary or Rubio or whoever will just cart out the "Socialist" tag or something else 'controversial' that Bernie wont run from... and itll be all over. The news networks will run it on loop and average Americans will be scared away without ever listening to the guy.

I think it's less about his "electability" as it is what will happen if he actually wins. He can't just executive order his whole presidency. No one is going to agree to any of the shit he is talking about doing. So it'll be the same thing again where you have the president trying to do things (like universal healthcare with Obama) and since none of the other politicans want to play with him it'll end up getting screwed up if it even gets off the ground at all. That's the current issue with Bernie. I think a lot of young people like his ideas but they/we need to focus on getting people like him into smaller offices first.

Gern Blansten

ldent42 said:

MayDay10 said:

meganrose said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bernie is awesome. I don't think he can beat Hillary but we would be well off with him in the White House.

I believe he can beat her, not because i'm biased towards him, but because of his growing strength with younger people. Also, he is doing a lot better among minorities. The more people see him and hear his ideas I think eventually he'll make a lot more headway. If he wins Iowa and New Hamp. it's a whole new ballgame.

He can't.
We still are not ready for him yet. We are moving towards that. The Bernie movement seems slightly stronger than Ron Paul... and I expect whoever of the same cloth comes around in 2020 will gain a little more traction. More and more people are realizing that they can bind together and support candidates who have actual principles. Hopefully we can get there before the average citizens of this country have been picked to the bones.

Unfortunately, the voice of the establishment is still stronger than the people. If Bernie ever becomes a threat, Hillary or Rubio or whoever will just cart out the "Socialist" tag or something else 'controversial' that Bernie wont run from... and itll be all over. The news networks will run it on loop and average Americans will be scared away without ever listening to the guy.

I think it's less about his "electability" as it is what will happen if he actually wins. He can't just executive order his whole presidency. No one is going to agree to any of the shit he is talking about doing. So it'll be the same thing again where you have the president trying to do things (like universal healthcare with Obama) and since none of the other politicans want to play with him it'll end up getting screwed up if it even gets off the ground at all. That's the current issue with Bernie. I think a lot of young people like his ideas but they/we need to focus on getting people like him into smaller offices first.

None of them can do that. Trump certainly can't do any of the things he is proposing either.

MayDay10

I have thought about that. Nobody can expect Sanders to get elected and suddenly free healthcare and college for all.

But I think he can shed light and expose on a lot of the cancerous activities that go on in Washington if given that platform. If that is all that happens which leads to change in that regard, his presidency would have saved the nation IMO.

ldent42

Gern Blansten said:

ldent42 said:

MayDay10 said:

meganrose said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bernie is awesome. I don't think he can beat Hillary but we would be well off with him in the White House.

I believe he can beat her, not because i'm biased towards him, but because of his growing strength with younger people. Also, he is doing a lot better among minorities. The more people see him and hear his ideas I think eventually he'll make a lot more headway. If he wins Iowa and New Hamp. it's a whole new ballgame.

He can't.
We still are not ready for him yet. We are moving towards that. The Bernie movement seems slightly stronger than Ron Paul... and I expect whoever of the same cloth comes around in 2020 will gain a little more traction. More and more people are realizing that they can bind together and support candidates who have actual principles. Hopefully we can get there before the average citizens of this country have been picked to the bones.

Unfortunately, the voice of the establishment is still stronger than the people. If Bernie ever becomes a threat, Hillary or Rubio or whoever will just cart out the "Socialist" tag or something else 'controversial' that Bernie wont run from... and itll be all over. The news networks will run it on loop and average Americans will be scared away without ever listening to the guy.

I think it's less about his "electability" as it is what will happen if he actually wins. He can't just executive order his whole presidency. No one is going to agree to any of the shit he is talking about doing. So it'll be the same thing again where you have the president trying to do things (like universal healthcare with Obama) and since none of the other politicans want to play with him it'll end up getting screwed up if it even gets off the ground at all. That's the current issue with Bernie. I think a lot of young people like his ideas but they/we need to focus on getting people like him into smaller offices first.

None of them can do that. Trump certainly can't do any of the things he is proposing either.

I sure as shit fucking hope not - I mean if Trump actually gets elected President I'm applying for a green card to Canada.

What I mean to say though is that at least in so far as Hilary has some support among the dems and Rubio (or whoever the most likely candidate is for the Republicans) has some support among the Republicans, Bernie has virtually no support on either side.

meganrose

I guess I'm optimistic. Look, deep down we don't think he can win because he's extremely to the left and a "socialist"--We are stuck in the mire, politically--We think pure capitalism is the way to go, when we honestly need some sort of hybrid. The same ol, same ol won't do it. FDR was a socialist, in some respect and also a capitalist. There are very few who would dispute him being a great leader of this nation. Look up North, Trudeau is even more left than Bernie, and he got elected. Canada has universal healthcare and we can't because we want to save a quick buck and let Big Pharma dictate outrageous fees for prescriptions? He can win, he just needs great turnout--And yes, he can win Iowa and NH--You have to look into the way they do the polls. One poll in Iowa they surveyed 400 people, and none of them were under 30....And no one that had participated in a primary, before. If people vote, it's a lot closer than the Media wants to put on.

brianlux

I started the "Bernie Sanders Campaign Kickoff" thread earlier here on AMT but I'm happy to move here to the discussion if for no other reason than I like the thread title...

"Bernie Sanders for President"!

Go Bernie!

meganrose

The man just gave a great speech on Democratic Socialism & Foreign Policy. The full speech is on Youtube, now!

Dirtie_Frank

Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.

meganrose

Dirtie_Frank said:

Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.

Reagan very old, as well. Hell, on the verge of dementia.

meganrose

He's in very good shape for a man his age.

brianlux

Dirtie_Frank said:

Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.

Not at all. 75 is the new 55. Kind of like the speed limit!

CH156378

Still voting Bernie. Haven't seen or talked to anyone who likes Hellray. Everyone always says to me that they're voting Bernie and like him best. I don't understand how she is leading in polls. I've seen 20 or so Bernie bumper stickers. Nothing for Hellray.
I also seen in a article Bernie polls better then Hellray against leading Republicans. Bernie needs to fight and show the voter that he is serious and going to fight. He had some major support at rallies over the summer but he's not fighting hard enough to capatolize on it. Fight Bernie Fight harder!!!

callen

I don't know. Don't think it'll happen and I've never really warmed up to the guy. Tried. Now Clinton?!?! Not much better. Wish we had good third option. BUT anythings better than Cruz who will be rep nominee. Ayatollah Cruz.

CH156378

I think it would be fun if neither Hillary or Jeb get the nomination, they join forces and form a third party option together. Clinton/Bush '16 or Bush/Clinton'16?

callen

Ha.

muskydan

meganrose said:

The man just gave a great speech on Democratic Socialism & Foreign Policy. The full speech is on Youtube, now!

I can't wait to plug into that. I need a long extended laugh . Burn me Bernie

brianlux

Bernie tells it like it is.

"Bernie Sanders Slams Trump: 'That Kind Of Crap Is Not Going To Work In The United States'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump_56682f8ee4b0f290e52137bf