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    Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.
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    meganrosemeganrose Northern, KY Posts: 133

    Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.

    Reagan very old, as well. Hell, on the verge of dementia.
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    meganrosemeganrose Northern, KY Posts: 133
    He's in very good shape for a man his age.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763

    Does anyone worry about Bernie's age? I know people were worried with John McCain and he was 71 when he ran for POTUS Bernie will be 75 when he runs.

    Not at all. 75 is the new 55. Kind of like the speed limit! :smiley:
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    CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Still voting Bernie. Haven't seen or talked to anyone who likes Hellray. Everyone always says to me that they're voting Bernie and like him best. I don't understand how she is leading in polls. I've seen 20 or so Bernie bumper stickers. Nothing for Hellray.
    I also seen in a article Bernie polls better then Hellray against leading Republicans. Bernie needs to fight and show the voter that he is serious and going to fight. He had some major support at rallies over the summer but he's not fighting hard enough to capatolize on it. Fight Bernie Fight harder!!!
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    callencallen Posts: 6,388
    I don't know. Don't think it'll happen and I've never really warmed up to the guy. Tried. Now Clinton?!?! Not much better. Wish we had good third option. BUT anythings better than Cruz who will be rep nominee. Ayatollah Cruz.
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    CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    edited December 2015
    I think it would be fun if neither Hillary or Jeb get the nomination, they join forces and form a third party option together. Clinton/Bush '16 or Bush/Clinton'16?
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    callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Ha.
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    meganrose said:

    The man just gave a great speech on Democratic Socialism & Foreign Policy. The full speech is on Youtube, now!

    I can't wait to plug into that. I need a long extended laugh . Burn me Bernie
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
    Bernie tells it like it is.

    "Bernie Sanders Slams Trump: 'That Kind Of Crap Is Not Going To Work In The United States'"

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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    Yes he does. He would be a great president and is exactly the kind of person we need in the White House right now.
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    ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2015
    So this is incredibly fascinating. Bernie's got a website explaining how to vote for him by state. Since our election process is specifically designed to prevent people from voting for a candidate like Bernie.
    http://voteforbernie.org/
    Every fuckin' state is different. I started counting based on the color code on the map but it's misleading. Just cuz they're all purple doesn't mean they all follow the same rules. MIND BOGGLING.
    The good news about it is at least for my state, NEW voters can still register to vote and declare themselves democrats so they can vote for Bernie. I really think they should make that clear because the way they were saying that you have to register as a democrat by October to be able to vote for him didn't make that clear AT ALL.

    Now, I'm as bad at math as I am at politics. So if NY actually gets more votes for Bernie than Hillary, does that help or hurt the odds of getting a Democratic-ish candidate in the White House?
    I don't want to run the risk of the Democrat-ish votes getting split between Bernie and Hillary thus giving a majority to fuckin' Jeb so he takes the White House.


    In other news, local and importante news for me, check this out:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/nyregion/bernie-sanders-urges-cuomo-to-raise-pay-for-cuny-professors.html
    While the rest of the presidential field was talking about how to confront global terrorism, Senator Bernie Sanders in recent days had a very local issue on his mind: getting a raise for professors at the City University of New York.

    Roughly 25,000 CUNY faculty and professional staff members have been without a contract since 2010, and have not had salary increases in that time. Part of the reason is that the amount of per-pupil funding CUNY receives from the state has declined, adjusted for inflation, since before the recession; roughly 45 percent of the system’s $3.2 billion budget comes from the state.

    Mr. Sanders, a candidate for the Democratic nomination, on Friday sent a letter to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo that called on him to provide funding for a new contract with raises.

    “As a college degree becomes increasingly important for economic security in our vastly unequal society, CUNY has historically represented the possibility that a college education of the highest quality could be accessible to all,” the Vermont senator wrote. “It should continue to represent that possibility.

    “That is why I am troubled by New York State’s refusal so far to invest in a fair contract for the university’s faculty and staff.”

    While it might seem strange for a presidential candidate to weigh in on a local university’s contract dispute, the issue is on message for Mr. Sanders, who grew up in Brooklyn and whose campaign has focused on income inequality. Most of CUNY’s 275,000 degree-seeking students are minorities and come from low-income backgrounds.

    “Show New Yorkers that your concern for working people and people of color includes a commitment to their ability to achieve a college education,” he urged Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat.

    The governor, meanwhile, vetoed a bill on Friday that would have required the state to cover predictable rises in operating costs at CUNY and the State University of New York, including inflationary increases in rent, utilities and health care, as well as salary increases that are not tied to contracts.

    Barbara Bowen, president of the Professional Staff Congress, a union that represents faculty and professional staff members at CUNY and the CUNY Research Foundation, said in a statement: “Cuomo’s decision to veto the bill will damage the quality of education CUNY can offer and reduce students’ access to the top-quality faculty and staff they deserve. If the aim of the veto was to hurt New York’s low- and middle-income communities, that aim has been achieved.”

    In 2011, the state passed legislation allowing CUNY and SUNY to increase tuition by $300 a year over the next five years. The agreement reached at the time called for the state to maintain its level of funding for CUNY and SUNY, unless the governor declared a fiscal emergency, so that the tuition increases would not go to filling holes in the state budget.

    The state has done that, but it has not fully covered inflationary increases. For CUNY, that meant a shortfall of $51 million this year.

    Jim Malatras, the governor’s director of state operations, said he could not respond to Mr. Sanders’s letter because he had not seen it. He said the funding bill was vetoed because it would have committed the state to another $600 million in spending and the governor believed that should not be done outside of the budget process.

    Mr. Malatras also said the state had covered $800 million in new costs at CUNY and SUNY since Mr. Cuomo took office in 2011.
    Backstory here, here, here and for an extra dose of fun check ‪#‎CuomoFundCUNY on your prefered social media platform.

    Have you guys seen the reddit page for Bernie? It's so depressing.
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    pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    edited December 2015
    So I know a Conservative Republican on Facebook whom I was friends with long ago. She posted this on her wall a week or so ago, "If you want Bernie Sanders for president please unfriend me. I'm not kidding. Thanks."

    Now I've still only seen bits and pieces of most of the Democratic and Republican debates. The only one I know I'm not for is Trump. Other than that, I still have a hard time telling the differences among all their false promises. So how in the hell can a person judge so harshly against a nice man like Sanders this early in the game? What issues does he stand for that the others don't?

    And more importantly--can we all agree that I might consider unfriending the she mentioned above purely based on her bitch-factor?
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    callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Not bitch factor but ignorance factor.
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    meganrosemeganrose Northern, KY Posts: 133

    So I know a Conservative Republican on Facebook whom I was friends with long ago. She posted this on her wall a week or so ago, "If you want Bernie Sanders for president please unfriend me. I'm not kidding. Thanks."

    Now I've still only seen bits and pieces of most of the Democratic and Republican debates. The only one I know I'm not for is Trump. Other than that, I still have a hard time telling the differences among all their false promises. So how in the hell can a person judge so harshly against a nice man like Sanders this early in the game? What issues does he stand for that the others don't?

    And more importantly--can we all agree that I might consider unfriending the she mentioned above purely based on her bitch-factor?

    He stands for a living wage--$15 min. wage, Universal healthcare, Marijuana legalization, three month paid family and medical leave--No other candidate is like him. Sorry, I am busy and I cannot type out all his proposals=)
    #feelthebern #bernie2016
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763

    So I know a Conservative Republican on Facebook whom I was friends with long ago. She posted this on her wall a week or so ago, "If you want Bernie Sanders for president please unfriend me. I'm not kidding. Thanks."

    Now I've still only seen bits and pieces of most of the Democratic and Republican debates. The only one I know I'm not for is Trump. Other than that, I still have a hard time telling the differences among all their false promises. So how in the hell can a person judge so harshly against a nice man like Sanders this early in the game? What issues does he stand for that the others don't?

    And more importantly--can we all agree that I might consider unfriending the she mentioned above purely based on her bitch-factor?

    The Sanders detractors have convinced a lot of people that Bernie wants everything to be free- their misunderstanding of the concept of socialism and specifically democratic socialism which is " a specific type of socialist who wants public ownership of the means of production (which means the tools and money to make things) and a democratic political system. The smear tactics are relentless. Some of these people even think Sanders is a communist. For the most part, these detractors are people who might actually stand to gain by living in a more egalitarian or at least equitable state of being. I'm not sure what they are so afraid of.

    As for the possible unfriending, maybe leave it up to them and let them live with the result and know you are a better person for not being so closed minded.

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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,941
    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
    There is no doubt about that! That's why I think the best Dem strategy is to just lay low and let Trump bust up the GOP.
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    meganrosemeganrose Northern, KY Posts: 133
    The debate will be very interesting, tonight--The first debate where I didn't know what the hell is going to happen. Should be exciting!
    #feelthebern #bernie2016
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
    There is no doubt about that! That's why I think the best Dem strategy is to just lay low and let Trump bust up the GOP.
    I'm not so sure about that. I am no Trump fan but I think he can pull a lot more unsatisfied blue collar democrat voters then people expect. I also think he would get a far larger share of African American voters compared to previous Republican candidates. If the dems "lay low" or worse become divided I am sure they could generate the turnout necessary to beat the reality tv candidate.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
    There is no doubt about that! That's why I think the best Dem strategy is to just lay low and let Trump bust up the GOP.
    I'm not so sure about that. I am no Trump fan but I think he can pull a lot more unsatisfied blue collar democrat voters then people expect. I also think he would get a far larger share of African American voters compared to previous Republican candidates. If the dems "lay low" or worse become divided I am sure they could generate the turnout necessary to beat the reality tv candidate.
    I would think Black voters who are Republicans would be more likely to vote for Carson, no?
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
    There is no doubt about that! That's why I think the best Dem strategy is to just lay low and let Trump bust up the GOP.
    I'm not so sure about that. I am no Trump fan but I think he can pull a lot more unsatisfied blue collar democrat voters then people expect. I also think he would get a far larger share of African American voters compared to previous Republican candidates. If the dems "lay low" or worse become divided I am sure they could generate the turnout necessary to beat the reality tv candidate.
    I would think Black voters who are Republicans would be more likely to vote for Carson, no?
    Why would you assume that?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The Democratic machine chooses the Friday before Christmas Week - with the country drunk on Star Wars and egg nog - to announce sanctions against the Sanders campaign. Bernie's campaign manager quite accurately accuses the DNC of trying to undermine them in the run-up to Iowa and New Hampshire. A federal lawsuit - Democratic candidate vs. Democratic National Committee - has been threatened.

    Hillary Clinton won't be elected. She will be installed.

    The DNC better be careful...there is an insurrection brewing. Hillary can't win a general without Bernie's supporters.
    Yeah, this is a bone-headed move. The best strategy would be to leave this infighting to the GOP and let them lose it.
    For sure but the problem is the people who abandoned Hillary for Obama aren't that eager to embrace her now. She is hardly inspirational.
    There is no doubt about that! That's why I think the best Dem strategy is to just lay low and let Trump bust up the GOP.
    I'm not so sure about that. I am no Trump fan but I think he can pull a lot more unsatisfied blue collar democrat voters then people expect. I also think he would get a far larger share of African American voters compared to previous Republican candidates. If the dems "lay low" or worse become divided I am sure they could generate the turnout necessary to beat the reality tv candidate.
    I think you are wrong on those two points. Trump will find a way to alienate everybody lol
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    callen said:

    Not bitch factor but ignorance factor.

    I agree.
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    meganrose said:

    So I know a Conservative Republican on Facebook whom I was friends with long ago. She posted this on her wall a week or so ago, "If you want Bernie Sanders for president please unfriend me. I'm not kidding. Thanks."

    Now I've still only seen bits and pieces of most of the Democratic and Republican debates. The only one I know I'm not for is Trump. Other than that, I still have a hard time telling the differences among all their false promises. So how in the hell can a person judge so harshly against a nice man like Sanders this early in the game? What issues does he stand for that the others don't?

    And more importantly--can we all agree that I might consider unfriending the she mentioned above purely based on her bitch-factor?

    He stands for a living wage--$15 min. wage, Universal healthcare, Marijuana legalization, three month paid family and medical leave--No other candidate is like him. Sorry, I am busy and I cannot type out all his proposals=)
    Thanks for the info. He sounds like a good candidate.
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    pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    edited December 2015
    brianlux said:

    So I know a Conservative Republican on Facebook whom I was friends with long ago. She posted this on her wall a week or so ago, "If you want Bernie Sanders for president please unfriend me. I'm not kidding. Thanks."

    Now I've still only seen bits and pieces of most of the Democratic and Republican debates. The only one I know I'm not for is Trump. Other than that, I still have a hard time telling the differences among all their false promises. So how in the hell can a person judge so harshly against a nice man like Sanders this early in the game? What issues does he stand for that the others don't?

    And more importantly--can we all agree that I might consider unfriending the she mentioned above purely based on her bitch-factor?

    The Sanders detractors have convinced a lot of people that Bernie wants everything to be free- their misunderstanding of the concept of socialism and specifically democratic socialism which is " a specific type of socialist who wants public ownership of the means of production (which means the tools and money to make things) and a democratic political system. The smear tactics are relentless. Some of these people even think Sanders is a communist. For the most part, these detractors are people who might actually stand to gain by living in a more egalitarian or at least equitable state of being. I'm not sure what they are so afraid of.

    As for the possible unfriending, maybe leave it up to them and let them live with the result and know you are a better person for not being so closed minded.

    Thank you, Brian. Thanks for the info. Its a shame they have to attack him like that. But that's politics right?

    Since this old friend of mine and I have always been polar opposites, it made me consider him as a candidate--like maybe the universe was telling me to take notice of those political issues that he stands for and unfriend a toxic friendship at the same time...? Who knows.

    About 2% of me thought I would go Republican for this election since my dad would have, and his life was taken too soon a year ago--like giving up my vote for my dad--and also Repub. because it seems like their turn after 8 years of Dem.--just like in elementary, lets take turns. But I've always been Democratic or Independent and I have to be true to myself. So I'm definitely voting Democratic at this point.

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