The Aging of Avocado

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    edited December 2015
    EBowie said:




    All good. It's just that, for me, I want a balanced mastering job not one that "fits the music". If I want it louder, I can turn up the volume on my stereo, etc. The loudness problem in modern production is very real and well-documented and I just find it a shame that one of PJ's albums fell victim to it.

    Yeah, the loudness wars are definitely a problem. I guess I feel lucky that Avocado benefited from it as far as my ears are concerned, lol. In a wider discussion though, PJ's mastering does suck. Backspacer, IMO, definitely DID suffer from the mastering, and so did LB. Both sounds like shit in their own special ways, haha. Although LB isn't THAT bad - it suffers most from actually being too quiet, not too loud. At least you can take care of most of that by cranking the volume. Backspacer was just like being beat over the head with shiny pots and pans. :lol: Not to mentioned the crappy first 3 reissues, which all sound super dull.
    But anyway, Avocado... thread integrity. Great album. :tongue:
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  • EBowie
    EBowie Posts: 533
    Yeah its just really unfortunate that loudness became the method for competing in the commercial landscape. I do agree that Avocado is a great album.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    the build up on Severed Hand is amazing and the angst in Comeback makes my eyes sweat
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    TL170678 said:

    At the Cincy show in 06 it seemed everyone knew every word of the Avocado songs... Not like that for the Lightning Bolt and Riot Act shows I saw. Could have been the Yayo but that felt like the most energetic concert I ever seen. The only time I been apart of that loud/energetic of a crowd was Pantera concerts at Louisville Gardens.

    "Could have been the yayo"

    lol
  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    The fact that no one has posted a picture of a rotten avocado makes me very happy. Have loved this album since day 1.
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  • JP33
    JP33 Posts: 1,348
    totally agree!
    foodboy said:

    one word.....masterpiece.

  • SmallestOceans
    SmallestOceans Posts: 13,542
    Why they don't play Inside Job atleast more often is a mystery to me. Did they wear it out on the avocado tour and get tired of playing it? Did the song lose meaning to them? It's easily a top 3 PJ song for me.
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  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    Top tip. To stop avocados aging - Sprinkle cut, mashed or sliced fruit with lemon or lime juice or another acidic agent and place in an air-tight container or tightly covered clear plastic wrap.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited November 2016
    Man do i have new appreciation for this album as a whole and it has jumped up the ranks in my opinion....aged gracefully...beautiful piece of art

    this may be a top 3 album for me top to bottom after all these years

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  • joshualukin69
    joshualukin69 Indy Posts: 33
    Take Gone out and add in Cold Confession in its place and this album would be crazy good. #hategonelovebigwave
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    Nice bump, I think I'll give this a listen after Roy Orbison.
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    joshualukin69 said:

    Take Gone out and add in Cold Confession in its place and this album would be crazy good. #hategonelovebigwave

    how Cold Confession got left off ill never know...love that song and would have made the album perfect
  • mdgsolo
    mdgsolo Posts: 796
    How to keep an Avocado from going bad: Place the LP in your record shelf and remove periodically to listen...

    I still love this album completely. It was such a magical crux between artistic expression and social consciousness.

    And the 2006 tour was filled with so much amazing energy and crazy special moments...
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    Great record that is 10 years old. 10 years. Damn.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    Fantastic album - it has only gotten better with age for me. I really liked it when it came out, but now I really love it.
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  • HawkeyeJam
    HawkeyeJam Posts: 209
    Avocado is the truth.

    I'm shocked about the lack of love for Gone. I've always enjoyed it. Was a highlight of the Moline show
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    edited November 2016
    Their last good album for me. If there is a weak spot in its skin, its Big Wave. I'd slot Comatose in its spot and throw Cold Confession in the #3 slot.
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    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    Dr. Delight said:

    Their last good album for me. If there is a weak spot in its skin, its Big Wave. I'd slot Comatose in its spot and throw Cold Confession in the #3 slot.

    That would be perfect. No idea why Cold Confession was left off of this album, but I listen to that song all the time.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    Dr. Delight said:

    Their last good album for me. If there is a weak spot in its skin, its Big Wave. I'd slot Comatose in its spot and throw Cold Confession in the #3 slot.

    I totally agree - Big Wave is the only song on the album that I wish weren't on there. I think it's because I really don't give a shit about that big wave. I don't surf, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,524
    edited November 2016
    Man. I love big wave. Always a highlight when it comes on. Parachutes is my lowlight. I think the melody is awful.

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