Canadian Politics Redux

mrussel1

DarthMaeglin said:

Markey’s following in Dear Justin’s shoes when it comes to openness and transparency, one of the first things he does is wipe the posting of the PM’s itinerary from the website (it used to be a subsection under news, even earlier this morning, lol). How inspiring and does wonders to win me over.

We are getting a Carney, I hear he couldn’t wait to fire up the jet and put an ocean between him and his citizens.

Or am I showing some anti-Liberal bias I’ve been diagnosed with?

Maybe the agenda isnt set yet? Maybe his team isn’t in place? There’s some non-nefarious possibilities. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Markey’s following in Dear Justin’s shoes when it comes to openness and transparency, one of the first things he does is wipe the posting of the PM’s itinerary from the website (it used to be a subsection under news, even earlier this morning, lol). How inspiring and does wonders to win me over.

We are getting a Carney, I hear he couldn’t wait to fire up the jet and put an ocean between him and his citizens.

Or am I showing some anti-Liberal bias I’ve been diagnosed with?

For what it's worth.. you are 100% showing anti-liberal bias. 

I realized overnight that I needed to revisit my comment because I’m embarrassed that I failed to give credit where it’s due.

As far as I can recall it was Justin Trudeau that instituted the practice of posting the PM’s agenda daily. I need to tip my hat to him for that since I appreciate it as a voter.

For what it’s worth, Justin’s agenda was generally posted late the day before (sometimes updated as events occurred), and I can’t believe that Carney’s agenda as PM is set similarly. My point was that it appears the posting of the PM’s agenda has stopped since it’s vanished as a category/option.

Just took a look and it’s still not there.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

No, it’s just how I perceived it. Nothing more. The word “outrage” is just very commonly used when referring to negative reactions to current events. I wasn’t suggesting you were breaking furniture over it. 

There obviously is a line. Just because we disagree with your line doesn’t mean we think there should be no line at all. The “chair” tradition seems lighthearted in nature at its core anyway, so it doesn’t seem out of step to me to act lightheartedly. If he was getting knighted by the queen, I wouldn’t expect that same face, and I’d even be disappointed in it. 

Who decides where the line is then? Remember when everyone laughed at Stockwell Day riding in on a jetski, I guess he was ahead of his time then? Or should Stockwell have ridden in wearing a Speedo and he would have been fine?

Well clearly you want the line to be chosen by you. Haha

In seriousness, the line gets chosen by the masses; the voting public. Most people weren’t as bothered by stuff like this as you were, maybe not bothered at all. Maybe I’ve been “fooled again by the master of manipulation” but to me this humanizes him, humanizes the office. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Good leaders, to me, are relatable (for better or worse, the same reason maga is so huge-they believe a billionaire who shits into a golden toilet is relatable), not put on a pedestal, where you’ve claimed he wants to be. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

No, it’s just how I perceived it. Nothing more. The word “outrage” is just very commonly used when referring to negative reactions to current events. I wasn’t suggesting you were breaking furniture over it. 

There obviously is a line. Just because we disagree with your line doesn’t mean we think there should be no line at all. The “chair” tradition seems lighthearted in nature at its core anyway, so it doesn’t seem out of step to me to act lightheartedly. If he was getting knighted by the queen, I wouldn’t expect that same face, and I’d even be disappointed in it. 

Who decides where the line is then? Remember when everyone laughed at Stockwell Day riding in on a jetski, I guess he was ahead of his time then? Or should Stockwell have ridden in wearing a Speedo and he would have been fine?

Well clearly you want the line to be chosen by you. Haha

In seriousness, the line gets chosen by the masses; the voting public. Most people weren’t as bothered by stuff like this as you were, maybe not bothered at all. Maybe I’ve been “fooled again by the master of manipulation” but to me this humanizes him, humanizes the office. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Good leaders, to me, are relatable (for better or worse, the same reason maga is so huge-they believe a billionaire who shits into a golden toilet is relatable), not put on a pedestal, where you’ve claimed he wants to be. 

You seem to think my line shouldn’t count or matter, haha? I’m not sure I’ve ever said I should be the arbiter, I would just like my point of view respected. But defending myself gets labelled by you as outrage.

You’re absolutely right, it’s the masses that decide, unfortunately mob rule doesn’t have the best track record in the longer term, and often leads to some tragic unintended consequences (think lynchings and pogroms).

What you call relatable I call disgraceful. The best part as always is that we’re both right. Obi-Wan really had it right when he said the truth depends largely on one’s perspective (maybe entirely these days).

HughFreakingDillon

Stop focussing on the word outrage. I already explained the reason I used it, and probably should have used something softer in my explanation. Annoyance or something similar. 

I do respect your position. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be engaging with you. I find you incredibly knowledgeable in Canadian politics, historical and current events, we just come to a different opinion after processing them. Yes, I do believe you have a very high bias against JT that informs your opinions on his actions. I’ll level with you: yes, I don’t think I have as heavy a buas rither way cuz I just simply don’t care as much as you do. After 2016 I had to look at things through a more detached lens, as an emotional survival response. So sometimes if I come off as flippant, or even mocking, it’s for 1 of 3 reasons:

1. I don’t believe it’s worth getting worked up about
2. I honestly vehemently disagree 
3. I don’t know what I’m talking about so I hide behind childish ribbings cuz I know I’m out of my depth. 

Yes, I know I do this and it’s something I work on. Sometimes I fail. Going forward don’t always assume it’s #3 btw. 😂. It’s much rarer now than it used to be. But I am still occasionally guilty of it. 

HughFreakingDillon

And as for your last paragraph, I’ve been trying to hammer this home for months: we all have biases that we should all be more aware of. It would likely lead to more rational discussion. 

But your use of the word “disgraceful” honestly makes me think my use of the word “outrage” was applicable after all. 

HughFreakingDillon

And no, your line doesn’t actually matter. Not on its own. Neither does mine. The mass’s line does. And correct, the masses do get it wrong sometimes. That’s why I’m a progressive. Do we get it wrong sometimes? Of course. But I still believe as long as the motive us pure, the mistakes are just a tool for learning along the way. 

DarthMaeglin

I appreciate what you’ve said, thank you, and I respect your sincerity.

If I’m being totally honest I just came in from puffing a joint and am a bit scrambled in terms of composing a reply, though it might do me well to explain myself a bit more, but I couldn’t just let your posts sit unacknowledged as I puff the evening away, lol.

Thanks again, Hugh, sorry to the group for derailing things.

HughFreakingDillon

Enjoy the evening dude! 💨 

PJ_Soul

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Original_Shifty said:

I don't know the context of that pic so I can't comment on it. I can post pics too of him being dignified and caring. Not sure of your point.

It was him following the tradition of taking his seat from the House of Commons, something all MPs apparently do. But most aren’t photographed looking directly into the camera with such a childish display.

For him, in that moment it was just a room, not the House of Commons of the Canadian Parliament, I get it.

This is some pretty crazy bias showing, lol. Your reaction to that photo is extremely unreasonable. The tradition is not a deadpan one. I would say that when parliament has a better sense of humour than you do about something, it's time to reflect a little bit.

I love how every criticism simply shows my bias and has zero merit, and Justin Trudeau’s every action is justified or excused. I think that might show some crazy bias as well.

I hardly ever comment at all.

DarthMaeglin

Can someone help make this make sense to me? This is honestly baffling to me, this jet has now been chosen twice and further delays will only put our own pilots at risk, both from degrading equipment as well as in any combat against the enemy.

Where a large part of Trump’s rhetoric centring around continental defence this would open us up to more criticism. I also don’t see opportunities to align with the US in terms of equipment as a bad thing, if anything it’s the opposite. I’m partly trying to look beyond the next four years here.

 I like to think I’d be equally baffled by a government of any stripe revisiting this decision for a third time.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/carney-orders-review-of-f-35-fighter-jet-purchase-from-u-s-s-lockheed-martin

Edit: The CBC version elaborates further on the government’s potential plans and revisiting the decision gets even worse in my opinion.

We’re committed for 16 of 88 jets, and it’s being looked at only taking the 16 and filling out the fleet with other jets. Hopefully the air force asks for consistency in its equipment and stresses the duplication of support that would be required.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f35-blair-trump-1.7484477

HughFreakingDillon

I am pro- any and all reviews of current/upcoming contracts with the US, especially where defence is the topic. It would be irresponsible of any government NOT to look at all available options with true allies, especially where we acquire and maintain control of maintenance and upgrades. 

I understand the potential risks the added training brings. But with trump, I think the potential risks are even higher. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am pro- any and all reviews of current/upcoming contracts with the US, especially where defence is the topic. It would be irresponsible of any government NOT to look at all available options with true allies, especially where we acquire and maintain control of maintenance and upgrades. 

I understand the potential risks the added training brings. But with trump, I think the potential risks are even higher. 

Yeah, that’s more or less the rationale I see at play here. Don’t necessarily agree with it, but it does make a certain amount of sense.

Edit: I should be clearer, reviewing contracts and such as a whole-of-government approach does make sense in the current climate, but the specific case of the F-35s should be left alone in my opinion.

mickeyrat

BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.

https://www.threads.net/@therealgxldsociety/post/DHPyAxhs8ex?xmt=AQGzleK6TY69sTf2xk47WZjzI6x2XvrxqfHCe7vj4vAnAg

Spunkie

The link you posted doesn't show that Carney said that I guess he did somewhere sometime today? I thought we were at the he's looking forward to talking to Trump stage still

Spunkie

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.

https://www.threads.net/@therealgxldsociety/post/DHPyAxhs8ex?xmt=AQGzleK6TY69sTf2xk47WZjzI6x2XvrxqfHCe7vj4vAnAg

I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere

mickeyrat

Spunkie said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.

https://www.threads.net/@therealgxldsociety/post/DHPyAxhs8ex?xmt=AQGzleK6TY69sTf2xk47WZjzI6x2XvrxqfHCe7vj4vAnAg

I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere

in the link is a brief excerpt of a presser, it does not explicitly sat whats quoted in rhe text, but the inference is clear.

disclosure, the clip shown is cut in the middle. so the full context is missing.  would assume folks over there have greater access to these statements and video clips in full?

HughFreakingDillon

new PM axes the carbon tax. 

Original_Shifty

HughFreakingDillon said:

new PM axes the carbon tax. 

I believe it's just the consumer part of carbon tax. Industrial carbon levy is still in place.

In BC, David Eby is scrapping it provincially. Gas prices could drop by 17 cents a litre.

Spunkie

mickeyrat said:

Spunkie said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.

https://www.threads.net/@therealgxldsociety/post/DHPyAxhs8ex?xmt=AQGzleK6TY69sTf2xk47WZjzI6x2XvrxqfHCe7vj4vAnAg

I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere

in the link is a brief excerpt of a presser, it does not explicitly sat whats quoted in rhe text, but the inference is clear.

disclosure, the clip shown is cut in the middle. so the full context is missing.  would assume folks over there have greater access to these statements and video clips in full?

A call with the U.S. president is unlikely until Carney returns to Ottawa.

Right now he is in France and going to visit our King privately, along with the Indigenous these are the two countries on which Canada's bedrock was built.

I don't think you need to fuel the flames with s*** that isn't true M