Canadian Politics Redux

DE4173

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Original_Shifty said:

I don't know the context of that pic so I can't comment on it. I can post pics too of him being dignified and caring. Not sure of your point.

It was him following the tradition of taking his seat from the House of Commons, something all MPs apparently do. But most aren’t photographed looking directly into the camera with such a childish display.

For him, in that moment it was just a room, not the House of Commons of the Canadian Parliament, I get it.

This is some pretty crazy bias showing, lol. Your reaction to that photo is extremely unreasonable. The tradition is not a deadpan one. I would say that when parliament has a better sense of humour than you do about something, it's time to reflect a little bit.

I love how every criticism simply shows my bias and has zero merit, and Justin Trudeau’s every action is justified or excused. I think that might show some crazy bias as well.

no, honestly, you have to look at the specific criticism. I had to to the same during trump's first term. I admittedly had pretty strong TDS at that time, then I started to ask myself if Obama/any other dem did that, would it bother me. The answer was usually yes, but sometimes no. I'm guessing you wouldn't care if Harper had done this. It would have "shown his lighter side". 

I absolutely would have cared if Harper had done this. Believe it or not it’s not always about Justin except insofar as he makes it about himself. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did it exactly to draw a reaction because in that moment, in his head, it was just a room.

One of the only things I can give Dear Justin credit for is learning to keep his shirt on when he goes jogging, but I’m the asshole for considering that an embarrassment and beneath the office of the Prime Minister of Canada, I know.

Jogging shirtless is beneath the office of PM? What about if he goes swimming? 

Not sure why you’d care about a funny face while he’s (or anyone) engaging in a silly tradition as the outgoing PM. 

I find your standards for elected officials almost akin to the stuffiness of the royal family. Just doesn’t jive in today’s society. 

DE4173

Yeah, that's crazy. Dude's in shape 

DarthMaeglin

Well the bar of expectations has been greatly lowered under the thankfully-departed Justin. Now the work of recovery begins.

Just remember how much you and others have chosen to lower that bar.

Fuck respecting tradition and solemnity, got it. Why have a dress code for the House while we’re at it, or is that too far, lol?

HughFreakingDillon

Um, we didn’t lower any bar. We just think the bar is fine where it is. Like I said, I wouldn’t have given a shit if Harper had smiled in the same manner. Or PP when he’s done. It’s quite far from some fall from grace you’re depicting. If the outrage is limited to a small subset of people, their idea of the bar is likely what is skewed, not ours. 

mrussel1

This is all very fascinating

DE4173

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HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

This is all very fascinating

Miss the days when a leader smiling was scandalous? 😂 

Spunkie

... And to answer your question @Spiritual_Chaos.

The Germans "have got our back".

brianlux

Greeting to all my Canadian friends here.  

I would be very OK if you adopted us Californians as well as my friends and family in the states of Oregon, Washington, and Alaska (The Alaska that is moving away from Palin's Alaska).  On the other hand, if said, "No way!", I would understand.  

Stay strong, Canada.

HughFreakingDillon

All the sane blue states are welcome! No swing or red states.  No Gilead needed! 😂 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

Um, we didn’t lower any bar. We just think the bar is fine where it is. Like I said, I wouldn’t have given a shit if Harper had smiled in the same manner. Or PP when he’s done. It’s quite far from some fall from grace you’re depicting. If the outrage is limited to a small subset of people, their idea of the bar is likely what is skewed, not ours. 

If we’re talking his fall from grace that happened long ago, and it’s cute that you’re labelling me as outraged. I stopped being outraged at him a while ago, just didn’t stop pointing out his failings.

 I realize I’m in the minority here but in my lifetime he has been the most divisive in my opinion though I’m not old enough to remember his father’s tenure. He has stoked anti-conservative sentiments at every opportunity and has pissed on the West’s resources.

HughFreakingDillon

I said outrage because I feel like your reaction is out of step from the action. 

Not divisive. Fights for liberal values. All he’s been doing is fighting back against the “anti-woke” “liberalism is a disease” nonsense. Or he could be the limp idiots holding up ping pong paddles in the states. I’d take him over those cowards any day. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

I said outrage because I feel like your reaction is out of step from the action. 

Not divisive. Fights for liberal values. All he’s been doing is fighting back against the “anti-woke” “liberalism is a disease” nonsense. Or he could be the limp idiots holding up ping pong paddles in the states. I’d take him over those cowards any day. 

What has my reaction been? I posted the picture with my thoughts and from that point have only defended myself and my views against criticisms and dismissals. That’s not outrage, sorry, but you like to read A LOT into my posts in order to put down my point of view.

So it seems that what was a rhetorical is now a serious question: why bother with such traditions like a dress code for both politicians and visitors to our houses of government?

This question isn’t just for Hugh.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

All the sane blue states are welcome! No swing or red states.  No Gilead needed! 😂 

Awesome!

 

I have taken this vow twice (I did one year working for Job Corps and one year for the Census Bureau):

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

From time to time, I have wondered how that affects a former federal employee  who want to become an ex-patriot.  Could be problematic- I really don't know.

Maybe I should as God?  "Yoo hoo, oh Gooo-oooood!"

HughFreakingDillon

No, it’s just how I perceived it. Nothing more. The word “outrage” is just very commonly used when referring to negative reactions to current events. I wasn’t suggesting you were breaking furniture over it. 

There obviously is a line. Just because we disagree with your line doesn’t mean we think there should be no line at all. The “chair” tradition seems lighthearted in nature at its core anyway, so it doesn’t seem out of step to me to act lightheartedly. If he was getting knighted by the queen, I wouldn’t expect that same face, and I’d even be disappointed in it. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

No, it’s just how I perceived it. Nothing more. The word “outrage” is just very commonly used when referring to negative reactions to current events. I wasn’t suggesting you were breaking furniture over it. 

There obviously is a line. Just because we disagree with your line doesn’t mean we think there should be no line at all. The “chair” tradition seems lighthearted in nature at its core anyway, so it doesn’t seem out of step to me to act lightheartedly. If he was getting knighted by the queen, I wouldn’t expect that same face, and I’d even be disappointed in it. 

Who decides where the line is then? Remember when everyone laughed at Stockwell Day riding in on a jetski, I guess he was ahead of his time then? Or should Stockwell have ridden in wearing a Speedo and he would have been fine?

DarthMaeglin

Markey’s following in Dear Justin’s shoes when it comes to openness and transparency, one of the first things he does is wipe the posting of the PM’s itinerary from the website (it used to be a subsection under news, even earlier this morning, lol). How inspiring and does wonders to win me over.

We are getting a Carney, I hear he couldn’t wait to fire up the jet and put an ocean between him and his citizens.

Or am I showing some anti-Liberal bias I’ve been diagnosed with?

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Well the bar of expectations has been greatly lowered under the thankfully-departed Justin. Now the work of recovery begins.

Just remember how much you and others have chosen to lower that bar.

Fuck respecting tradition and solemnity, got it. Why have a dress code for the House while we’re at it, or is that too far, lol?

Without getting into our past leaders etc.  I'm going to look at just Pierre and Justin. You're not wrong in that the way JT portrays himself. Quite simply, less professional.. and personally do I wish he had been more professional. Would have been super if he wasn't corrupt... but here we are. 

And if you say that we're lowering the bar in terms of standards... I honestly get your point. 

In comparison though... the tit for tat can go both ways. Pierre being celebrated and posting a video of himself munching an apple while taking questions from a journalist (a shitty one) is also remarkably unprofessional.  Then you'll say yeah but what about when JT sang while in the UK for the Queen's funeral... and I'll say yeah but what about Pierre's conduct while speaking with the press at the House of Commons.  And then you'll say yeah but what about blackface and the SNC scandal.. and I'll say sure but what about Pierre's buffet of populist lies in his despicable letter from October. 

Bottom line... they both suck balls.  And if Pierre wanted to base his entire campaign (and he seemingly did) on portraying JT as a dooshbag... it would have behooved him to also not act like a dooshbag and associate himself with dooshbags (Jordan Peterson). 

The problem the Conservatives have now is JT is out. So we only have one dooshbag left until we learn how and why Carney is a dooshbag. I don't know that is... but history dictates that he likely is and the Conservatives will find a way to let us know that he is.  If they don't,  they may very well lose the election that was supposed to be a landslide victory. 

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Markey’s following in Dear Justin’s shoes when it comes to openness and transparency, one of the first things he does is wipe the posting of the PM’s itinerary from the website (it used to be a subsection under news, even earlier this morning, lol). How inspiring and does wonders to win me over.

We are getting a Carney, I hear he couldn’t wait to fire up the jet and put an ocean between him and his citizens.

Or am I showing some anti-Liberal bias I’ve been diagnosed with?

For what it's worth.. you are 100% showing anti-liberal bias.