Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

Obviously his finger was just saying “fuddle duddle”, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7020144

Zod

erebus said:

Parksy said:

There are (finally) legit enough talks about Trudeau possibly stepping down.  He's receiving at least luke warm pressure from within the Liberals. 

In general, do you think JT stepping down would help or hurt the liberals chances in the next election? 

I think it should help them, but I think so much depends on who replaces him.

I think it would help. Next election does not have to be called until October 2025. Put in a new leader  like the cons did with Kim Campbell. 
Not sure who it would be, the bench is not deep.
Personally I think both the Libs and Cons could do with better leaders. 

Lol, Kim Campbell was the sacrificial lamb because the party believed they had no chance to win.  What's the point of replacing Trudeau with a sacrificial lamb?

Who do the Libs have that might shift them a bit back to centre and could get votes, so maybe they could spend the next year rebuilding a bit.

I was about to say it's pretty rare for a PM to get replace before an election, but it wasn't that long ago Cretien got ousted and replace with Martin, which was kind of the end of that era of the Libs.  Martin won a minority government which last for a bit, that was about it.  That was also an odd move to replace a PM that seemed to be doing fine, and had won 3 elections in a row with majority governments.

DarthMaeglin

It’s sad that foreign governments have more credibility than my own, but the Trudeau Liberals’ record is what it is (Chinese influence, for one). Certainly here in Toronto it feels like something is imminent, though Montreal may be the more likely flashpoint.

https://nationalpost.com/news/uk-travel-terror-attack-canada

DarthMaeglin

From the “what’s good for the goose” column, lol, it is pretty silly what we’re seeing out of our governing party these days.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-votes-against-more-guns-for-ukraine-is-he-pro-putin

DarthMaeglin

This really is unfortunate, from what little I’d seen he seemed to be fairly reasonable as Speaker. If it truly was a personal message then deliver it personally given his current job. Again, do these Trudeau Liberals have an ounce of judgment or shame?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/greg-fergus-aplogizes-video-ontario-convention-1.7048547

DarthMaeglin

Seems to me that we should also investigate every video produced by every MP, unless this is just an attempt at a gotcha by the NDP.

Fergus is a different conundrum obviously because of the nonpartisan nature of the Speaker’s position.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-video-green-ethics-1.7059926

Edit: The article includes a claim by the Conservatives that Trudeau did the same thing that Scheer is being discredited over. Will he be asked by the NDP to appear before the committee as well?

DarthMaeglin

If it weren’t troubling it would be adorable how the CBC allows comments on this story but not for the story about renaming Dundas Square (which is being done based on disinformation). It is developing as a pattern for our (primarily) state-funded broadcaster, commenting is allowed on articles knocking the Conservatives but rarely on any government announcements.

Even worse in the article is a statement made that could equally be said about Dundas Square, all said and written without a single hint of irony.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-stadium-1.7060913

DarthMaeglin

Why in fuck was this man not arrested after his first threat? No wonder the gangs run rampant in Toronto if this is how the law is enforced.

Expecting nothing but crickets, lol.

https://apple.news/AG4eGxsgSSm-G5EkygTbrZQ

Edit: This column adds much more context to the incident, but that context doesn’t make this acceptable or, to use Justin’s church-burning word, “understandable”.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-this-isnt-gaza-its-toronto-where-it-is-unacceptable-to-threaten-to-kill-police

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Why in fuck was this man not arrested after his first threat? No wonder the gangs run rampant in Toronto if this is how the law is enforced.

Expecting nothing but crickets, lol.

https://apple.news/AG4eGxsgSSm-G5EkygTbrZQ

Edit: This column adds much more context to the incident, but that context doesn’t make this acceptable or, to use Justin’s church-burning word, “understandable”.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-this-isnt-gaza-its-toronto-where-it-is-unacceptable-to-threaten-to-kill-police

Admittedly, I grazed through the story as opposed to reading it thoroughly... but  I didn't see anywhere how Trudeau has anything to do with this. (?)

That said...  I personally agree with yours and the writer's sentiments... however, this to me is another case of picky choosy when it comes to stories like these. 

The bigger issue / story here is police enforcement. Cops are running scared right now... and we could discuss this issue for days and days, and in my opinion, it would get people nowhere. 

Why are they running scared? At the very core of that issue (and coppers will never admit it in my opinion) is that they are still under trained and under paid. Three things have happened in the last 10-15 years that has caused this:

1) most people in the public now walk around with a video camera in their pockets. 
2) cops are no longer getting away with things they used to because of 1.
3) holding police accountable while a good thing... has also been exploited by virtue signalers on the far left and main stream media that tend to cater to said left.  

When I used to train stuff like this, I would often say:  "What matters more nowadays, the court of law, or the court of public opinion?" 

If you're like me, you would want the court of law to matter more.  If you live in reality, you understand that the court of public opinion carries significant weight especially in North America. 

So yes, they are afraid, and that's not good. But it's not bad either in a sense. See the dilemma here? 

In this instance, what the writer is I guess trying to suggest is that the perps should have been arrested on site for committing a crime. That's WAY WAY WAY easier said than done especially from the comfort of his desk at home. 

Consider the shit storm that would occur if the police did in fact decide to affect an arrest in this instance. Under these circumstances, it's exactly what a group like that wants. If this situation didn't erupt into a full blown riot, then I would say the cops succeeded. 

Interestingly, and again I find myself in a moral dilemma with regards to policing, laws, and cultural identity.... one of the solutions to stuff like this is for our justice system to pivot from being one of rehabilitation (which is presently is) to punishment and deterrence (which it is not).  Comparing the two styles of justice.... I look at different cultures that have strict rules and you'll find those styles in countries that are generally considered oppressive. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Why in fuck was this man not arrested after his first threat? No wonder the gangs run rampant in Toronto if this is how the law is enforced.

Expecting nothing but crickets, lol.

https://apple.news/AG4eGxsgSSm-G5EkygTbrZQ

Edit: This column adds much more context to the incident, but that context doesn’t make this acceptable or, to use Justin’s church-burning word, “understandable”.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-this-isnt-gaza-its-toronto-where-it-is-unacceptable-to-threaten-to-kill-police

Admittedly, I grazed through the story as opposed to reading it thoroughly... but  I didn't see anywhere how Trudeau has anything to do with this. (?)

That said...  I personally agree with yours and the writer's sentiments... however, this to me is another case of picky choosy when it comes to stories like these. 

The bigger issue / story here is police enforcement. Cops are running scared right now... and we could discuss this issue for days and days, and in my opinion, it would get people nowhere. 

Why are they running scared? At the very core of that issue (and coppers will never admit it in my opinion) is that they are still under trained and under paid. Three things have happened in the last 10-15 years that has caused this:

1) most people in the public now walk around with a video camera in their pockets. 
2) cops are no longer getting away with things they used to because of 1.
3) holding police accountable while a good thing... has also been exploited by virtue signalers on the far left and main stream media that tend to cater to said left.  

When I used to train stuff like this, I would often say:  "What matters more nowadays, the court of law, or the court of public opinion?" 

If you're like me, you would want the court of law to matter more.  If you live in reality, you understand that the court of public opinion carries significant weight especially in North America. 

So yes, they are afraid, and that's not good. But it's not bad either in a sense. See the dilemma here? 

In this instance, what the writer is I guess trying to suggest is that the perps should have been arrested on site for committing a crime. That's WAY WAY WAY easier said than done especially from the comfort of his desk at home. 

Consider the shit storm that would occur if the police did in fact decide to affect an arrest in this instance. Under these circumstances, it's exactly what a group like that wants. If this situation didn't erupt into a full blown riot, then I would say the cops succeeded. 

Interestingly, and again I find myself in a moral dilemma with regards to policing, laws, and cultural identity.... one of the solutions to stuff like this is for our justice system to pivot from being one of rehabilitation (which is presently is) to punishment and deterrence (which it is not).  Comparing the two styles of justice.... I look at different cultures that have strict rules and you'll find those styles in countries that are generally considered oppressive. 

I agree with pretty much everything you said there, and in fairness to the cops I did see somewhere that they were significantly outnumbered among other tactical disadvantages. Toronto police do seem to be pretty good at the job so there is some hope for an arrest.

In terms of rehabilitative compared to punitive, I think our system actually does try to strike a balance between the two but unfortunately that means it doesn’t do either particularly well in addition to other systemic issues.

In this case I think a third aspect of justice kicks in as well, that it’s seen by the public to have been done.

Lastly, you’re right that Trudeau doesn’t have anything to do directly with this incident, I was making a bad joke about how he has directly downplayed actual crimes committed (as opposed to threatened in this instance) and forgot to include the lol. I really don’t think I ever implied any responsibility on Trudeau’s part, though his government’s statements on the war (especially of late) have been disappointing to me and could potentially embolden the group from this case (not sure if that’s for here or a Middle East thread).

DarthMaeglin

I get it now, God Themselves has cursed Justin with an excessive carbon footprint, there’s absolutely nothing Trudeau can do to reduce it (or the costs to the taxpayers for his relaxation). I no longer expect him (or any politician) to lead by example moving forward, I was being far too idealistic and naive to ask such of our so-called leaders.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-plane-jamaica-vacation-1.7075968

DarthMaeglin

Regardless of one’s feelings about Rebel News, this really should be troubling to us all, especially in light of how many demonstrations are being treated with kid gloves (no immediate arrest for death threats, police bringing coffee to protesters).

I’m forced to wonder if this is fallout from the man who confronted Freeland in Edmonton(?) a couple years ago. There’s questions that need answering around yesterday’s incident.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/cops-ripped-for-arresting-reporter-trying-to-ask-chrystia-freeland-questions

Edit: This column adds some truly troubling context to the incident, namely that one of the RCMP officers may have been involved in a similar incident with the same reporter previously (not confirmed in the column, however). If true though, was this more of a case of a personal grudge?

https://torontosun.com/news/national/warmington-falsely-accused-of-assaulting-cop-reporter-has-elon-musk-on-his-side

DarthMaeglin

I’ll give them credit for running the story, and in future I will take a page out of Tasker’s book and refer to CBC’s reporters as “media personalities”. Newspeak at some of its finest, lol.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rebel-news-personality-arrested-1.7078566

DarthMaeglin

Are we to assume that by her silence former journalist Chrystia Freeland condones the treatment of her former colleague on Monday? How would she have felt as a reporter if she encountered the same thing?

At least it’s being reported that the RCMP are looking into the matter. I don’t have much faith in self-policing policies but we’ll see what comes of this.

I’m with Rempel-Garner on this one, I’m not a fan of Menzie’s antics but he is still entitled to them as a member of the press. These cops have many questions to answer and we, the public deserve answers so as to restore (a little bit at least) faith in our law enforcement agencies.

Edit: This statement by the Independent Press Gallery seems relevant to this (non)discussion.

https://independentpressgallery.ca/2024/01/independent-press-gallery-condemns-arrest-of-journalist/

Parksy

From what I could tell....  under no circumstances should he have been arrested.  

It reminded me of a basketball player setting a pick.....  but in this case, the player who sets the pick then  screams foul. 

To your point Darth.. the fact that it's the police and an abuse of power, is worrisome. Hopefully justice prevails. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

From what I could tell....  under no circumstances should he have been arrested.  

It reminded me of a basketball player setting a pick.....  but in this case, the player who sets the pick then  screams foul. 

To your point Darth.. the fact that it's the police and an abuse of power, is worrisome. Hopefully justice prevails. 

I’m genuinely concerned that this will be swept under the rug based on who it was the police assaulted. If that’s the case then, however, there should be no complaints when the pendulum swings and a “progressive” media personality is similarly accosted.

Time will tell.

DarthMaeglin

Sad news. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ed-broadbent-dies-1.7080936

DarthMaeglin

In the interest of giving credit when it’s due (which, let’s all be honest, just means one agrees with the politician/whoever), I was happy when Trudeau actually answered a question more or less directly at his photo op today.

 He was asked about the case being brought against Israel in the international court, and he clearly stated that the Canadian government rejects the premise of the case (I’m paraphrasing a bit). He followed up by saying that a formal statement would be forthcoming after Israel’s submission to the court was more closely considered. He could have very easily just said the government’s position would be clarified later.

Edit:  https://apple.news/AmHt3K4C6TdyZw5XXEsIUjw

DarthMaeglin

Here's hoping that reason is beginning to return to the country. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891

DarthMaeglin

I liked that someone pointed out there are clearly 3 different strains of TDS circulating through Canada, lol.

Trump Derangement Syndrome
Trudeau Derangement Syndrome
Trucker Derangement Syndrome

There’s also clearly a sub-variant I’ll name Poilievre Derangement Syndrome, because, as with the TDS strains, facts be damned, lol.