Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon

"peaceful". sure. sure. 

JeBurkhardt

Halifax2TheMax said:

I guess Al Jazeera is "mainstream?" Nothing to see here folks. Keep believing the tweets.

Tim Abray says the past week in Canada’s capital has been unlike any in recent memory.

Residents of Ottawa have been harassed and spat on; businesses have had their windows smashed; staff and volunteers at a shelter have been intimidated and called racial slurs; and healthcare workers and patients have said they had trouble getting to and from hospitals.

Abray, a communications consultant who lives in a residential neighbourhood not far from Ottawa City Hall, says these incidents and more have made the city of about 1 million people feel like “an occupation zone”.

“The fact that people don’t feel safe in the streets, the fact that we can’t walk freely in our own parks in broad daylight, when we’re not even saying or doing anything to anyone, has absolutely contributed to the feeling that we are occupied.”

Last week, thousands of anti-vaccine truckers and their supporters converged on Ottawa, a usually sleepy capital filled with bureaucrats and government offices. The so-called “Freedom Convoy” protesters were demanding the federal government lift an order requiring truckers to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to cross the land border between Canada and the United States.

But even before the convoy arrived, the protest leaders – some of whom are well-known, far-right activists – said their movement went beyond the vaccine mandate alone.

But even before the convoy arrived, the protest leaders – some of whom are well-known, far-right activists – said their movement went beyond the vaccine mandate alone.

Continues

Ottawa residents decry anti-vaccine trucker ‘occupation’ (msn.com)

I don't remember reading in my history books that Canada was part of the Confederacy during the US Civil War.  

dignin

Meltdown99 said:

That’s pretty obvious now…

And the populists are the brain, the bird brain.

DarthMaeglin

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

Why should the counter protesters have to stay away? I thought the expression of opposing views were welcomed and healthy in a democratic society? 

As long as Umbrella Man stays away, things should be fine. Maybe they should build showers?

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

Why should the counter protesters have to stay away? I thought the expression of opposing views were welcomed and healthy in a democratic society? 

As long as Umbrella Man stays away, things should be fine. Maybe they should build showers?

More often than not the presence of counter-protesters had led to problems, often violent. I don’t want any violence by anyone, and provocation is rarely productive.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

Are the people in Ottawa blocking streets, and disturbing the peace for a week straight not considered troublemakers? How about the people blocking the border in Coutts?

And I'm fully behind punching Nazis in the face. Indy did it in a few movies.

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

Are the people in Ottawa blocking streets, and disturbing the peace for a week straight not considered troublemakers? How about the people blocking the border in Coutts?

And I'm fully behind punching Nazis in the face. Indy did it in a few movies.

Self-defence and defence of others is my standard (just for clarity, to each their own).

In some ways, yes, the protesters are being “troublemakers” but we’ve accepted certain levels of civil disobedience in our protests, and this group has pretty much functioned within those limits. As I said before, we allowed the Occupy protesters to stay in place for much longer than a week (and many weren’t happy with their presence).

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

Are the people in Ottawa blocking streets, and disturbing the peace for a week straight not considered troublemakers? How about the people blocking the border in Coutts?

And I'm fully behind punching Nazis in the face. Indy did it in a few movies.

Self-defence and defence of others is my standard (just for clarity, to each their own).

In some ways, yes, the protesters are being “troublemakers” but we’ve accepted certain levels of civil disobedience in our protests, and this group has pretty much functioned within those limits. As I said before, we allowed the Occupy protesters to stay in place for much longer than a week (and many weren’t happy with their presence).

Occupy never hid in their huge trucks shutting down a downtown for at least a week. They also had a much more genuine issue and way more support across the world. This is a small minority bullying the quiet majority.

Businesses have had to shut down. I don't think that's acceptable. I don't think they have functioned within the limits of proper civil disobedience. Terrorizing an innocent community and shutting down a border.

I'm more tolerant of civil disobedience for a just cause, this one is not. These degenerates refuse to participate in a civil society by crying about getting a vaccine. Hardly an injustice. They have no interest in living in a functional society. They are the selfish few. 

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

Are the people in Ottawa blocking streets, and disturbing the peace for a week straight not considered troublemakers? How about the people blocking the border in Coutts?

And I'm fully behind punching Nazis in the face. Indy did it in a few movies.

Self-defence and defence of others is my standard (just for clarity, to each their own).

In some ways, yes, the protesters are being “troublemakers” but we’ve accepted certain levels of civil disobedience in our protests, and this group has pretty much functioned within those limits. As I said before, we allowed the Occupy protesters to stay in place for much longer than a week (and many weren’t happy with their presence).

Occupy never hid in their huge trucks shutting down a downtown for at least a week. They also had a much more genuine issue and way more support across the world. This is a small minority bullying the quiet majority.

Businesses have had to shut down. I don't think that's acceptable. I don't think they have functioned within the limits of proper civil disobedience. Terrorizing an innocent community and shutting down a border.

I'm more tolerant of civil disobedience for a just cause, this one is not. These degenerates refuse to participate in a civil society by crying about getting a vaccine. Hardly an injustice. They have no interest in living in a functional society. They are the selfish few. 

For me, the cause isn’t relevant in the least. I unfortunately believe that standing on my principles (right to peaceful protest) doesn’t allow for the luxury of judging the cause. I guess I can blame the free speech advocates for opening my mind that way.

Now, if someone can provide me proof of violence or widespread racism then I might change my view of this group. I made the request several days ago and am still waiting for anything approaching a solid proof. (And btw, using SS-style font when calling Trudeau an assassin is not Nazi imagery, it’s making a point, even if in a possibly offensive way.)

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

I'm not with you on the fear narrative being pushed.  I think that every person needs to understand where their news is coming from and decide on their own what's biased, what's fake, and what's real. 

I think that when you add up 'isolated incidents' ... and what point does it go from peaceful to a nuisance? Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying a different way but to me it's like you have this prediction that "OH, this is going to be fine, with the exception of some isolated incidents." Well, that's convenient. lol   That's like me saying "Had an amazing date the other night... crapped my pants at dinner, but other than that... amazing." 

We're beyond truckers at this point.  I don't agree with the PM using this term, but I will.. this is a fringe minority.  This is the Canadian version of the types of people who show up at Trump rallies in the states. The agendas may be different, but the types of people are very  much in line.  I base this on me witnessing protesters in Vaughn, witnessing protesters on the 401, social media posts, live broadcast news, and main stream media news. Reports of harassment on the streets of Ottawa.  Me actually witnessing harassment. My friend who lives in downtown Ottawa and is right livid with what's going on. Like I get what a lot of these folks are protesting for, but it's just way too convenient to ignore and not pay attention to the shit it's bringing. 

Trudeau and the Liberals are handling this incorrectly. If anyone, THEY are the ones trying to focus on these 'isolated incidents' you speak of.  And while I don't agree with what they're doing as a political party, you can't possibly blame the media.  Are they supposed to ignore the incidents this protest has caused? Are they supposed to ignore confederate flags? Trump flags? Expressions of racism?  Defacing Terry Fox? Parking on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?  Like I'm with you... I don't think anyone should take a couple incidents and paint the group with the same brush... but at the same time, are they honestly supposed to just ignore this stuff? If a citizen watches or reads a news report about Trump and Confederate flags at this protest, it's up to that person to be able to understand that its not everyone but at the same time...  and I gotta be honest here... I personally want to know that because that personally pisses me off to no end. As much as people hate on the media, I'm glad they do what they do. Because I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm relying on them. 

And while you may point to the media and blame them for exaggerating facts and focusing only on the negative aspects of the protest. Look at the other fellow on this thread doing the same thing. Focusing on all the 'good' these protesters are doing. A whole bunch of people just like him as well as small media groups as well.  So it's VERY much a two way street if you ask me.  People talking about how huge this protest is and how it represents Canada as a country. And how these protesters represent the moral fabric of Canada. Really? If you want to blame media for pushing false narratives...  you can't deny that there is a lot of that going on by both sides of this mess. 

 

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

As there are defenses of unarmed black people being shot or choked to death and "the police or Stand Your Ground'er shouldn't face consequences" sympathy floating around these boards. Bumpy ride anyone? Guess we're even?

I'd also fathom that the BLM, Occupy and MeToo movements garnered way more popular support for their causes and were less of a "tyranny of the minority" compared to these "oppressed" anti-vaxx and anti-mandate truckers. But what do I know, I follow MSM like Al Jazeera and maybe the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers represent the majority of 'Muricans?

HughFreakingDillon

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

I'm not with you on the fear narrative being pushed.  I think that every person needs to understand where their news is coming from and decide on their own what's biased, what's fake, and what's real. 

I think that when you add up 'isolated incidents' ... and what point does it go from peaceful to a nuisance? Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying a different way but to me it's like you have this prediction that "OH, this is going to be fine, with the exception of some isolated incidents." Well, that's convenient. lol   That's like me saying "Had an amazing date the other night... crapped my pants at dinner, but other than that... amazing." 

We're beyond truckers at this point.  I don't agree with the PM using this term, but I will.. this is a fringe minority.  This is the Canadian version of the types of people who show up at Trump rallies in the states. The agendas may be different, but the types of people are very  much in line.  I base this on me witnessing protesters in Vaughn, witnessing protesters on the 401, social media posts, live broadcast news, and main stream media news. Reports of harassment on the streets of Ottawa.  Me actually witnessing harassment. My friend who lives in downtown Ottawa and is right livid with what's going on. Like I get what a lot of these folks are protesting for, but it's just way too convenient to ignore and not pay attention to the shit it's bringing. 

Trudeau and the Liberals are handling this incorrectly. If anyone, THEY are the ones trying to focus on these 'isolated incidents' you speak of.  And while I don't agree with what they're doing as a political party, you can't possibly blame the media.  Are they supposed to ignore the incidents this protest has caused? Are they supposed to ignore confederate flags? Trump flags? Expressions of racism?  Defacing Terry Fox? Parking on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?  Like I'm with you... I don't think anyone should take a couple incidents and paint the group with the same brush... but at the same time, are they honestly supposed to just ignore this stuff? If a citizen watches or reads a news report about Trump and Confederate flags at this protest, it's up to that person to be able to understand that its not everyone but at the same time...  and I gotta be honest here... I personally want to know that because that personally pisses me off to no end. As much as people hate on the media, I'm glad they do what they do. Because I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm relying on them. 

And while you may point to the media and blame them for exaggerating facts and focusing only on the negative aspects of the protest. Look at the other fellow on this thread doing the same thing. Focusing on all the 'good' these protesters are doing. A whole bunch of people just like him as well as small media groups as well.  So it's VERY much a two way street if you ask me.  People talking about how huge this protest is and how it represents Canada as a country. And how these protesters represent the moral fabric of Canada. Really? If you want to blame media for pushing false narratives...  you can't deny that there is a lot of that going on by both sides of this mess. 

 

once again, bang on. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

I'm not with you on the fear narrative being pushed.  I think that every person needs to understand where their news is coming from and decide on their own what's biased, what's fake, and what's real. 

I think that when you add up 'isolated incidents' ... and what point does it go from peaceful to a nuisance? Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying a different way but to me it's like you have this prediction that "OH, this is going to be fine, with the exception of some isolated incidents." Well, that's convenient. lol   That's like me saying "Had an amazing date the other night... crapped my pants at dinner, but other than that... amazing." 

We're beyond truckers at this point.  I don't agree with the PM using this term, but I will.. this is a fringe minority.  This is the Canadian version of the types of people who show up at Trump rallies in the states. The agendas may be different, but the types of people are very  much in line.  I base this on me witnessing protesters in Vaughn, witnessing protesters on the 401, social media posts, live broadcast news, and main stream media news. Reports of harassment on the streets of Ottawa.  Me actually witnessing harassment. My friend who lives in downtown Ottawa and is right livid with what's going on. Like I get what a lot of these folks are protesting for, but it's just way too convenient to ignore and not pay attention to the shit it's bringing. 

Trudeau and the Liberals are handling this incorrectly. If anyone, THEY are the ones trying to focus on these 'isolated incidents' you speak of.  And while I don't agree with what they're doing as a political party, you can't possibly blame the media.  Are they supposed to ignore the incidents this protest has caused? Are they supposed to ignore confederate flags? Trump flags? Expressions of racism?  Defacing Terry Fox? Parking on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?  Like I'm with you... I don't think anyone should take a couple incidents and paint the group with the same brush... but at the same time, are they honestly supposed to just ignore this stuff? If a citizen watches or reads a news report about Trump and Confederate flags at this protest, it's up to that person to be able to understand that its not everyone but at the same time...  and I gotta be honest here... I personally want to know that because that personally pisses me off to no end. As much as people hate on the media, I'm glad they do what they do. Because I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm relying on them. 

And while you may point to the media and blame them for exaggerating facts and focusing only on the negative aspects of the protest. Look at the other fellow on this thread doing the same thing. Focusing on all the 'good' these protesters are doing. A whole bunch of people just like him as well as small media groups as well.  So it's VERY much a two way street if you ask me.  People talking about how huge this protest is and how it represents Canada as a country. And how these protesters represent the moral fabric of Canada. Really? If you want to blame media for pushing false narratives...  you can't deny that there is a lot of that going on by both sides of this mess. 

 

I like that you stress media literacy/awareness. As I’ve said before, I don’t begrudge private media companies their bias. However, if they want to avoid critiques of “fake news” then it would be good for them to strive for accuracy. But we do have a responsibility to consider what we’re digesting. The only outlet I expect non-biased coverage from is the one that we all pay for.

As far as the “isolated incidents” I was only trying to acknowledge the possibility of individuals acting out who are not representative of the entire group. That doesn’t excuse such things or mean they shouldn’t be covered, only that they need to be kept in perspective.

You say you want to know Trump and Confederate flags are being waved. Fair enough, but I’ve only been able to find 2 confederate flags and one nazi. Should that be representative of the tens of thousands of other people that were there? Because many people are portraying these as having been common sights.

Do I like that I find myself quasi-defending people I wouldn’t personally associate with? Fuck no, but it’s like cops who have a duty to investigate gangland killings, they don’t get to choose the victims.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

As there are defenses of unarmed black people being shot or choked to death and "the police or Stand Your Ground'er shouldn't face consequences" sympathy floating around these boards. Bumpy ride anyone? Guess we're even?

I'd also fathom that the BLM, Occupy and MeToo movements garnered way more popular support for their causes and were less of a "tyranny of the minority" compared to these "oppressed" anti-vaxx and anti-mandate truckers. But what do I know, I follow MSM like Al Jazeera and maybe the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers represent the majority of 'Muricans?

This isn’t a game of gotcha to me, lol.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

the way this is worded is like you are excusing "isolated incidents" by the protesters but not "isolated incidents" by counter protesters. 

I suppose that could be your takeaway, but I’m perfectly fine with prosecuting bad actors on both sides (I’m sorry these words mirror pootwh’s words but they’re what’s accurate (my words for my feelings since everything needs clarification, lol)).

Edit:  My bad here, I misread who was addressing me, and apologize for my mistake.

POOTWH has entered the common vernacular! Yay is me, I guess.

You make it sound like some of us aren't comfortable with prosecuting "bad actors" on both sides or that perhaps one side's "bad actors" haven't been prosecuted. Care to clarify? I mean, its not like a certain POTUS is dangling pardons or anything.

I simply didn’t want to say the man’s name, and I guess I really should thank you for the alternative. I recognized that I might get called on the possible similarity in my words and wanted to head that off. I REALLY didn’t want to make him part of the discussion, lol.

I suppose I need to learn to be far more precise in my wordings because I wasn’t intending to speak for anyone else. I do trust that most of us would want all troublemakers held to account but there is a certain amount of “It’s ok to punch a Nazi and not face consequences” sympathy floating around these boards.

As there are defenses of unarmed black people being shot or choked to death and "the police or Stand Your Ground'er shouldn't face consequences" sympathy floating around these boards. Bumpy ride anyone? Guess we're even?

I'd also fathom that the BLM, Occupy and MeToo movements garnered way more popular support for their causes and were less of a "tyranny of the minority" compared to these "oppressed" anti-vaxx and anti-mandate truckers. But what do I know, I follow MSM like Al Jazeera and maybe the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers represent the majority of 'Muricans?

This isn’t a game of gotcha to me, lol.

It’s not a game of gotcha, you’re right. Racial, Social and Economic Justice > “oppressed” anti-vax, anti-lockdown truckers during a global pandemic, IMHO. Have a groovy weekend.