Can someone help make this make sense to me? This is honestly baffling to me, this jet has now been chosen twice and further delays will only put our own pilots at risk, both from degrading equipment as well as in any combat against the enemy.
Where a large part of Trump’s rhetoric centring around continental defence this would open us up to more criticism. I also don’t see opportunities to align with the US in terms of equipment as a bad thing, if anything it’s the opposite. I’m partly trying to look beyond the next four years here.
I like to think I’d be equally baffled by a government of any stripe revisiting this decision for a third time.
Edit: The CBC version elaborates further on the government’s potential plans and revisiting the decision gets even worse in my opinion.
We’re committed for 16 of 88 jets, and it’s being looked at only taking the 16 and filling out the fleet with other jets. Hopefully the air force asks for consistency in its equipment and stresses the duplication of support that would be required.
I am pro- any and all reviews of current/upcoming contracts with the US, especially where defence is the topic. It would be irresponsible of any government NOT to look at all available options with true allies, especially where we acquire and maintain control of maintenance and upgrades.
I understand the potential risks the added training brings. But with trump, I think the potential risks are even higher.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I am pro- any and all reviews of current/upcoming contracts with the US, especially where defence is the topic. It would be irresponsible of any government NOT to look at all available options with true allies, especially where we acquire and maintain control of maintenance and upgrades.
I understand the potential risks the added training brings. But with trump, I think the potential risks are even higher.
Yeah, that’s more or less the rationale I see at play here. Don’t necessarily agree with it, but it does make a certain amount of sense.
Edit: I should be clearer, reviewing contracts and such as a whole-of-government approach does make sense in the current climate, but the specific case of the F-35s should be left alone in my opinion.
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BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.
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The link you posted doesn't show that Carney said that I guess he did somewhere sometime today? I thought we were at the he's looking forward to talking to Trump stage still
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BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.
I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere
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BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.
I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere
in the link is a brief excerpt of a presser, it does not explicitly sat whats quoted in rhe text, but the inference is clear.
disclosure, the clip shown is cut in the middle. so the full context is missing. would assume folks over there have greater access to these statements and video clips in full?
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I believe it's just the consumer part of carbon tax. Industrial carbon levy is still in place.
In BC, David Eby is scrapping it provincially. Gas prices could drop by 17 cents a litre.
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BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.
I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere
in the link is a brief excerpt of a presser, it does not explicitly sat whats quoted in rhe text, but the inference is clear.
disclosure, the clip shown is cut in the middle. so the full context is missing. would assume folks over there have greater access to these statements and video clips in full?
A call with the U.S. president is unlikely until Carney returns to Ottawa.
Right now he is in France and going to visit our King privately, along with the Indigenous these are the two countries on which Canada's bedrock was built.
I don't think you need to fuel the flames with s*** that isn't true M
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I need to retract my earlier wisecrack about Carney’s current foreign trip.
It hadn’t been included in the reporting I’d read but he was invited by Starmer(?) and Macron, and I can’t hold it against Carney for accepting an invitation.
I would like him to be in touch with Trump at the earliest opportunity (phone or face doesn’t matter to me), not sure what the holdup is.
Unfortunately at some point Carney does need to address the elephant in the room, namely his lack of a clear mandate (insert joke about underage Chinese nationals choosing our new PM, lol). I suspect he’ll string out the prorogation as long as possible then call an election the day before the House was scheduled to resume, March 23rd is when I expect the call.
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I think making Trump wait/sweat is a power move. He knows how Trump's infantile bully mind works-this is what he would do. Trump will likely respect the fact that he made him wait. I think Carney's doing the right thing by making it clear Canada has other options, and we don't need the US as much as he/they think we do. Or it'll piss trump off and make him lash out and look like even more of a fool that he already does. Win/win in my eyes.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
BREAKING: Canada just hit the reset button. Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister, has officially told Trump, “we’re done with America.” The US is about to find out what it means to lose a real ally.
I think this is misinformation I can't find it anywhere
in the link is a brief excerpt of a presser, it does not explicitly sat whats quoted in rhe text, but the inference is clear.
disclosure, the clip shown is cut in the middle. so the full context is missing. would assume folks over there have greater access to these statements and video clips in full?
A call with the U.S. president is unlikely until Carney returns to Ottawa.
Right now he is in France and going to visit our King privately, along with the Indigenous these are the two countries on which Canada's bedrock was built.
I don't think you need to fuel the flames with s*** that isn't true M
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think making Trump wait/sweat is a power move. He knows how Trump's infantile bully mind works-this is what he would do. Trump will likely respect the fact that he made him wait. I think Carney's doing the right thing by making it clear Canada has other options, and we don't need the US as much as he/they think we do. Or it'll piss trump off and make him lash out and look like even more of a fool that he already does. Win/win in my eyes.
You’re right, it’s good that Carney’s publicly making it clear we have options, I’m just really leery of poking the Trump bear and would prefer a softer approach towards him. Either way Trump will try to screw us, sadly.
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Liberals favoured to win most seats as poll surge continues
For the first time in nearly two years, the Liberals are projected to win more seats than the Conservatives as the party continues to enjoy a surge in the polls. The Conservatives hold a narrow lead in the polling average, which takes into account a greater number of surveys conducted over a longer period of time, but multiple polls published in recent days put the Liberals in the lead nationally. The NDP is trending down and is in danger of losing most of the seats it currently holds.
I think making Trump wait/sweat is a power move. He knows how Trump's infantile bully mind works-this is what he would do. Trump will likely respect the fact that he made him wait. I think Carney's doing the right thing by making it clear Canada has other options, and we don't need the US as much as he/they think we do. Or it'll piss trump off and make him lash out and look like even more of a fool that he already does. Win/win in my eyes.
agreed
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I enjoy reading Kinsella almost as much as I enjoy Mulcair now that Murphy’s gone and found this column interesting. He sums it up well at the end, quoting Oscar Wilde (I’m paraphrasing, sorry): Be yourselves gentlemen, everyone else is taken.
I enjoy reading Kinsella almost as much as I enjoy Mulcair now that Murphy’s gone and found this column interesting. He sums it up well at the end, quoting Oscar Wilde (I’m paraphrasing, sorry): Be yourselves gentlemen, everyone else is taken.
For what it's worth... Sun Media is also remarkably anti-liberal bias.
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I enjoy reading Kinsella almost as much as I enjoy Mulcair now that Murphy’s gone and found this column interesting. He sums it up well at the end, quoting Oscar Wilde (I’m paraphrasing, sorry): Be yourselves gentlemen, everyone else is taken.
For what it's worth... Sun Media is also remarkably anti-liberal bias.
I realize the headline was somewhat misleading and I don’t deny the Sun leans right but Kinsella generally writes objectively and acknowledges his past and biases when appropriate, as well as delivering intelligent insights.
It would be really nice to discuss the substance of the articles I post instead of having to defend the source because of others’ preconceptions. And Kinsella isn’t the typical Sun columnist in that he has primarily worked for the Liberal Party and speaks from that perspective. Personally I don’t care where insights come from as long as I gain some insight.
I thought the column presented an interesting contrast between the public personas and the private behaviours of Prime Ministers going back to Joe Clark.
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I know this wasn’t the main point of the article, but if you hold Kinsella in such high regard, what do you make of his assertion that JT was the nicest MP in the room?
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I know this wasn’t the main point of the article, but if you hold Kinsella in such high regard, what do you make of his assertion that JT was the nicest MP in the room?
I don’t dispute it necessarily and won’t editorialize further.
It’s honestly been refreshing the last several days being able to fully acknowledge that I’m no longer governed by a guy I consider an utter jackass.
I’m still waiting for Carney to impress me and I honestly hope he does.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I enjoy reading Kinsella almost as much as I enjoy Mulcair now that Murphy’s gone and found this column interesting. He sums it up well at the end, quoting Oscar Wilde (I’m paraphrasing, sorry): Be yourselves gentlemen, everyone else is taken.
For what it's worth... Sun Media is also remarkably anti-liberal bias.
I recognize there’s a certain amount of getting what I’ve given in that I’ve been critical of the CBC’s bias (but I still maintain there’s a huge difference between privately owned media companies and one that’s primarily government funded).
In saying that (and because this is referenced in the column), it was nice to hear that Barton was asking the questions she was, though I was quite disappointed in the PM’s reply/reaction (I like to think I wouldn’t like that response from a PM of any stripe).
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k, so I watched the video. He really didn't need to make those personal comments "look inside yourself Rosemary". WTF does that even mean? All he had to say was he was following ethics committee protocols and procedures and end it at that.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I don't know a lot about Carney... but what I do know A: doesn't surprise me and B: doesn't give me a lot of hope for a good leader.
That said, with regards to this questioning by journalists... I'm not sure I would consider his comments to be Trumpian thus far. He seemed frustrated and I somewhat understand that. Rosemary basically (as a journalist) drops her own personal flavour by saying that she finds it hard to believe there are no conflicts of interest with his position in government now and his positions in the private sector.
Herein lies the issues with me though... I just don't see how any person can be placed at a high level of government and not be considered to be in some sort of conflict of interest with any aspect of one's personal or past professional life. Sometimes there is certainly more smoke than others... but I think the focus moving forward should be looking at how to hold those people more accountable if and when they use that power to influence over possible personal conflicts of interest (Ahem, Trudeau.)
That said... no matter how the election plays out, I'm happy Pierre at least has more competition moving forward... but like most politicians... having another rich dude trying for office never seems to play out well. I was stoked that Trudeau was leaving and while I have hopes for Carney... even though I may be judging him unfairly... by simply having another wealthy dude vying for office.... leaves me weary once again.
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Where a large part of Trump’s rhetoric centring around continental defence this would open us up to more criticism. I also don’t see opportunities to align with the US in terms of equipment as a bad thing, if anything it’s the opposite. I’m partly trying to look beyond the next four years here.
I like to think I’d be equally baffled by a government of any stripe revisiting this decision for a third time.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/carney-orders-review-of-f-35-fighter-jet-purchase-from-u-s-s-lockheed-martin
Edit: The CBC version elaborates further on the government’s potential plans and revisiting the decision gets even worse in my opinion.
We’re committed for 16 of 88 jets, and it’s being looked at only taking the 16 and filling out the fleet with other jets. Hopefully the air force asks for consistency in its equipment and stresses the duplication of support that would be required.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f35-blair-trump-1.7484477
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Edit: I should be clearer, reviewing contracts and such as a whole-of-government approach does make sense in the current climate, but the specific case of the F-35s should be left alone in my opinion.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I believe it's just the consumer part of carbon tax. Industrial carbon levy is still in place.
In BC, David Eby is scrapping it provincially. Gas prices could drop by 17 cents a litre.
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Right now he is in France and going to visit our King privately, along with the Indigenous these are the two countries on which Canada's bedrock was built.
I don't think you need to fuel the flames with s*** that isn't true M
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle
It hadn’t been included in the reporting I’d read but he was invited by Starmer(?) and Macron, and I can’t hold it against Carney for accepting an invitation.
I would like him to be in touch with Trump at the earliest opportunity (phone or face doesn’t matter to me), not sure what the holdup is.
Unfortunately at some point Carney does need to address the elephant in the room, namely his lack of a clear mandate (insert joke about underage Chinese nationals choosing our new PM, lol). I suspect he’ll string out the prorogation as long as possible then call an election the day before the House was scheduled to resume, March 23rd is when I expect the call.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Liberals favoured to win most seats as poll surge continues
For the first time in nearly two years, the Liberals are projected to win more seats than the Conservatives as the party continues to enjoy a surge in the polls. The Conservatives hold a narrow lead in the polling average, which takes into account a greater number of surveys conducted over a longer period of time, but multiple polls published in recent days put the Liberals in the lead nationally. The NDP is trending down and is in danger of losing most of the seats it currently holds.
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Conservatives won't allow reporters to travel with Poilievre during upcoming election
No recent precedent for a major party barring reporters from accompanying campaign
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It would be really nice to discuss the substance of the articles I post instead of having to defend the source because of others’ preconceptions. And Kinsella isn’t the typical Sun columnist in that he has primarily worked for the Liberal Party and speaks from that perspective. Personally I don’t care where insights come from as long as I gain some insight.
I thought the column presented an interesting contrast between the public personas and the private behaviours of Prime Ministers going back to Joe Clark.
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It’s honestly been refreshing the last several days being able to fully acknowledge that I’m no longer governed by a guy I consider an utter jackass.
I’m still waiting for Carney to impress me and I honestly hope he does.
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In saying that (and because this is referenced in the column), it was nice to hear that Barton was asking the questions she was, though I was quite disappointed in the PM’s reply/reaction (I like to think I wouldn’t like that response from a PM of any stripe).
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I don't know a lot about Carney... but what I do know A: doesn't surprise me and B: doesn't give me a lot of hope for a good leader.
That said, with regards to this questioning by journalists... I'm not sure I would consider his comments to be Trumpian thus far. He seemed frustrated and I somewhat understand that. Rosemary basically (as a journalist) drops her own personal flavour by saying that she finds it hard to believe there are no conflicts of interest with his position in government now and his positions in the private sector.
Herein lies the issues with me though... I just don't see how any person can be placed at a high level of government and not be considered to be in some sort of conflict of interest with any aspect of one's personal or past professional life. Sometimes there is certainly more smoke than others... but I think the focus moving forward should be looking at how to hold those people more accountable if and when they use that power to influence over possible personal conflicts of interest (Ahem, Trudeau.)
That said... no matter how the election plays out, I'm happy Pierre at least has more competition moving forward... but like most politicians... having another rich dude trying for office never seems to play out well. I was stoked that Trudeau was leaving and while I have hopes for Carney... even though I may be judging him unfairly... by simply having another wealthy dude vying for office.... leaves me weary once again.
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