I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years.
The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.
Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.
Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.
I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally.
And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much.
Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?
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I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years.
The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.
Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.
Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.
I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally.
And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much.
Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?
because you specifically stated that was the nail in the coffin, that you wouldn't vote carney.
"would you EVER have voted for carney?" "I assume you wouldn't have voted for carney"
sure, the first one is a question, but the assumption is implied, rather than implicitly stated as I did in the second one.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
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I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years.
The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.
Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.
Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.
I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally.
And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much.
Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?
because you specifically stated that was the nail in the coffin, that you wouldn't vote carney.
"would you EVER have voted for carney?" "I assume you wouldn't have voted for carney"
sure, the first one is a question, but the assumption is implied, rather than implicitly stated as I did in the second one.
I think as I explained myself it’s been clear that I did hope Carney would prove to be a viable alternative. But you still haven’t disputed any of the points I made against Carney. If you’re not yet aware of those allegations then look into them before you vote is all I ask.
So, would I have ever voted for Carney? Maybe, but he’s taken himself out of the running since his anointment (insert joke yet again about wondering how many underage Chinese citizens voted for Carney?). Like Paul Chiang he looks good on paper, but when he’s observed over time he’s something else.
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my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
how do you figure that?
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
how do you figure that?
The Law of Unintended Consequences.
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my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se. But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM.
That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot. (Time will tell)
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my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se. But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM.
That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot. (Time will tell)
I don't know. If he aligns himself with the orange man, PP could be much much worse than Trudeau.
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my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
how do you figure that?
The Law of Unintended Consequences.
speaking of assumptions...
just trying to unpack this:
so you're saying it's the intent behind my vote that will determine whether I'm happy with it or not? that sounds a little...silly.
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"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
how do you figure that?
The Law of Unintended Consequences.
speaking of assumptions...
just trying to unpack this:
so you're saying it's the intent behind my vote that will determine whether I'm happy with it or not? that sounds a little...silly.
I’m saying be careful you don’t elect someone worse just to negate my vote.
My own voting experience is that my representation in government doesn’t align with my own vote. But by voting FOR something as opposed to voting to counter others votes at the end I can live with myself and whatever the result may be.
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that still doesn't make sense. why would I vote for someone who I thought could be worse just to negate someone else's vote? I'm voting carney cuz I can't vote for PP. And I won't vote Singh.
if I thought carney was "bad" I either would vote Green or not at all.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
I think PP would make things much worse-er. 😂
He’s trying to walk that line of acting like trump but trying to act like he’d stand up to him. Carney’s already shown me his big middle finger to trump, and I fucking loved it.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).
But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.
Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.
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How safe do Chinese Canadians feel in Carney’s Canada given that Carney framed Chiang’s comments as a “teachable moment” (where have we heard that phrase before? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.)? What a leader Carney is, haha.
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You appear to have Trudeau/Liberal derangement syndrome.
I do applaud you for sticking to who you actually want to vote for.
I really belive we would have a better system and voted for who we really wanted if we had changed to proportional representation or another system, not the current first past the post.
I know, another broken Liberal promise, but I have not heard the conservatives talking about this ever
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my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple.
sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se. But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM.
That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot. (Time will tell)
I don't know. If he aligns himself with the orange man, PP could be much much worse than Trudeau.
I can only hope and surmise that I'm correct about this... should Pierre win and he 'aligns' himself with Trump... Canadians will revolt.
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So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).
But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.
Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.
I took you at your word. I doubted the premise until you said so.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).
But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.
Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.
I believe Mr Carney is going to be worse for Canada than what’s happened the past 9 years
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It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
This is how people like Trump get elected.
It's just a plain wrong take.
I don't follow. It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue. I don't get people like that. I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that. I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.
It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
This is how people like Trump get elected.
It's just a plain wrong take.
I don't follow. It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue. I don't get people like that. I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that. I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.
I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.
The results are obvious.
Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.
I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.
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"would you EVER have voted for carney?"
"I assume you wouldn't have voted for carney"
sure, the first one is a question, but the assumption is implied, rather than implicitly stated as I did in the second one.
If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.
But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.
Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.
I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.
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So, would I have ever voted for Carney? Maybe, but he’s taken himself out of the running since his anointment (insert joke yet again about wondering how many underage Chinese citizens voted for Carney?). Like Paul Chiang he looks good on paper, but when he’s observed over time he’s something else.
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That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot. (Time will tell)
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just trying to unpack this:
so you're saying it's the intent behind my vote that will determine whether I'm happy with it or not? that sounds a little...silly.
My own voting experience is that my representation in government doesn’t align with my own vote. But by voting FOR something as opposed to voting to counter others votes at the end I can live with myself and whatever the result may be.
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if I thought carney was "bad" I either would vote Green or not at all.
And none of us are that gullible to believe you were ever considering Carney.
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Will anyone speak to the points I have presented?
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You go vote for the guy who has the paper thin resume with little accomplishments to his name.
I've got no patience for BS anymore.
He’s trying to walk that line of acting like trump but trying to act like he’d stand up to him. Carney’s already shown me his big middle finger to trump, and I fucking loved it.
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It's just a plain wrong take.
But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.
Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.
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I do applaud you for sticking to who you actually want to vote for.
I really belive we would have a better system and voted for who we really wanted if we had changed to proportional representation or another system, not the current first past the post.
I know, another broken Liberal promise, but I have not heard the conservatives talking about this ever
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The results are obvious.
Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.
I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.