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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    anyone who has a "F Trudeau" or any other politician bumper sticker or flag has the intelligence of a gnat.  
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    anyone who has a "F Trudeau" or any other politician bumper sticker or flag has the intelligence of a gnat.  
    So is anyone who is a member of a political party a moron to you? Do you suggest banning such expressions or keep them to identify the morons and you can steer clear of them?

    Fuck Trudeau didn't come out of nowhere,  it took years of scandals and controversial policy for people to get this angry.  And Trudeau himself is acting as divider-in-chief, especially these days.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    once again, a small step for HFD, one giant leap for Darth. 

    I never once said, nor even came close to inferring, that anyone who is a member of a political party is a moron. where in the fuck did you get that from? do you understand now why I have stopped engaging with you?
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    I’m sorry but in my mind a person who (usually) pays for an official membership to join a political party is just as much a koolaid drinker (if we’re putting them down) as a flag waver or bumper sticker affixer. I think that’s more or less what you were inferring about the flags and stickers, or do you truly think those people stupid?

    I have to admit that I get offended by your sweeping put downs and I guess I have to learn to just let them slide.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    edited February 12
    I’m sorry but in my mind a person who (usually) pays for an official membership to join a political party is just as much a koolaid drinker (if we’re putting them down) as a flag waver or bumper sticker affixer. I think that’s more or less what you were inferring about the flags and stickers, or do you truly think those people stupid?

    I have to admit that I get offended by your sweeping put downs and I guess I have to learn to just let them slide.
    if you read would read what I actually write, instead of falling over yourself trying to infer something, I said anyone who adorns their vehicle with a classless flag/sticker such as FUCK TRUDEAU, REGARDLESS OF PARTY, they are idiots. putting a curse word on your car towards any living person or group justifies my so-called "sweeping put downs". 

    same goes with those stupid Calvin urinating on (insert logo). or anything of the like. I think it shows a basic lack of maturity. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    my father in law is a card carrying member of the NDP. has been since his career-ending injury in construction. is it because he's a kool aid drinker? nope. he's a very intelligent man. his "make or break" issue is he stands firm with unions/workers. full stop. that's it. I can respect that. it even trumps his catholic ideology. 

    that's why I've never subscribed to the "everyone who voted trump is a racist" garbage. Some people just can't vote liberal. they are conservatives to the bone, and they'd vote for the fucking devil if he was on the ticket. 

    your attempts to pigeonhole me into some trudeau loving anticonservative is misguided (at best). something you'd probably consider much more insulting at worst. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    the fact that you seem to have equated a "fuck trudeau" sticker or flag with just any old political bumper sticker shows just how far down the hate hole you've gone. lol
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    the fact that you seem to have equated a "fuck trudeau" sticker or flag with just any old political bumper sticker shows just how far down the hate hole you've gone. lol
    Down the hate hole, nice.

    Again,  "Fuck Trudeau" didn't arise out of a vacuum.  And is a valid expression to me. Charter agrees with me, I believe. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    I’m sorry but in my mind a person who (usually) pays for an official membership to join a political party is just as much a koolaid drinker (if we’re putting them down) as a flag waver or bumper sticker affixer. I think that’s more or less what you were inferring about the flags and stickers, or do you truly think those people stupid?

    I have to admit that I get offended by your sweeping put downs and I guess I have to learn to just let them slide.
    if you read would read what I actually write, instead of falling over yourself trying to infer something, I said anyone who adorns their vehicle with a classless flag/sticker such as FUCK TRUDEAU, REGARDLESS OF PARTY, they are idiots. putting a curse word on your car towards any living person or group justifies my so-called "sweeping put downs". 

    same goes with those stupid Calvin urinating on (insert logo). or anything of the like. I think it shows a basic lack of maturity. 
    Read what you initially wrote. 

    Do I own a fuck Trudeau flag? No. Could I see myself buying one?  Why not?  So therefore I have the intelligence of a gnat.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    anyone who has a "F Trudeau" or any other politician bumper sticker or flag has the intelligence of a gnat.  
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • ZodZod Posts: 9,841
    Kind of reminds me of the bumper stickers from the 80s that had a hand with it's middle digit up and Mulroney after it.
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,668
    Having the ability to do a thing doesn't negate the fact that doing the thing isn't stupid. 

    I'm a special kind of asshole, and I think Trudeau is too. 

    Like me, I'm sure he gets one heck of a kick watching all of those flags.... while he sits in office having won the last three elections. 

    It is dumb in my opinion. And it serves no other purpose other than a person proclaiming to the world their distain for a politician which is self serving, does nothing to make society as a whole better etc. 

    Every time I see them, I chuckle.  Like... the person premeditating... purchased the flag or sticker.  Then took the time to apply the flag or sticker. Alllllllllll the while, Trudeau wins elections.  I would love to like....  get a sneak peek inside the mind of the man who buys this stuff and applies this stuff.  

    I often wonder if they look upon it the same way I look upon my freshly mowed lawn after a cut.... with pride and a sense of accomplishment. lol 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    edited February 13
    I don’t see these expressions (“Fuck whoever”) as being related in any way to a person’s intelligence but rather a reflection of their passion on an issue.

    Best part is, we’re all correct in the end, despite any offence any of us has taken!

    Edit:  Again, these sentiments don’t occur in a vacuum, something that needs to be acknowledged.
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    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    I’m sorry but in my mind a person who (usually) pays for an official membership to join a political party is just as much a koolaid drinker (if we’re putting them down) as a flag waver or bumper sticker affixer. I think that’s more or less what you were inferring about the flags and stickers, or do you truly think those people stupid?

    I have to admit that I get offended by your sweeping put downs and I guess I have to learn to just let them slide.
    if you read would read what I actually write, instead of falling over yourself trying to infer something, I said anyone who adorns their vehicle with a classless flag/sticker such as FUCK TRUDEAU, REGARDLESS OF PARTY, they are idiots. putting a curse word on your car towards any living person or group justifies my so-called "sweeping put downs". 

    same goes with those stupid Calvin urinating on (insert logo). or anything of the like. I think it shows a basic lack of maturity. 
    I should have just thanked you for clarifying what you meant and left it at that. I still say that what you meant is not what you initially wrote.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    The only way I can see this policy being reasonable is if we were equally pursuing a policy of zero population growth which we clearly are not.

    If, as the article says, the government’s goal is to move people onto public transit, why was one of their first acts back in 2015 to eliminate Harper’s tax credit for buying monthly passes?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/guilbeault-no-new-roads-1.7114867
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    This is an honest-to-God question.

     I assume when one is confronted with a sentence that is offensive to oneself, the better response is to ask for clarification politely? Sometimes it’s hard to keep the emotions in check, especially when one feels almost directly insulted.

    Hugh, I will also offer an apology for inadvertently insulting your father when I stated my opinion, I could tell it struck a nerve (though how could I have known?).
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  • ZodZod Posts: 9,841
    Yah, I don't get the highways thing.  We've actively spent how much money now trying to ramp up electric battery and car production.

    Where I live (Victoria, BC), we're fed with a two lane highway about 10 to 15km out of the city centre.   As our population continues to increase (now over 400,000 in the area), it's insufficient.   Problem is that we don't get much of the federal or national transportation budget.    Our public transit is pretty mid.  A bus system with pretty big problems.

    One of these struggles with population increases is that it seems like no thought is going into scaling up infrastructure to deal with it.   Hospitals, health care, roads, public transit, all of it.   It's like there's no plan.  We needed more tax payers to keep the boat afloat, but our governments haven't planned on how to handle it, so it's becoming a mess.


  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    Zod said:
    Yah, I don't get the highways thing.  We've actively spent how much money now trying to ramp up electric battery and car production.

    Where I live (Victoria, BC), we're fed with a two lane highway about 10 to 15km out of the city centre.   As our population continues to increase (now over 400,000 in the area), it's insufficient.   Problem is that we don't get much of the federal or national transportation budget.    Our public transit is pretty mid.  A bus system with pretty big problems.

    One of these struggles with population increases is that it seems like no thought is going into scaling up infrastructure to deal with it.   Hospitals, health care, roads, public transit, all of it.   It's like there's no plan.  We needed more tax payers to keep the boat afloat, but our governments haven't planned on how to handle it, so it's becoming a mess.


    I was out to Vancouver Island (just outside Victoria I think) in December and was surprised at how congested traffic sometimes was. Here in Toronto the congestion is pretty much all day long and all the major highways are being widened.

    Completely agree about the lack of planning for the increase in population,  I see it as a lack of coordination between the various levels of government, not sure how to resolve the issue other than further negotiations (and coordination in planning as you suggest).

    In defense of the federal government (gasp!!!), their goal of getting people onto public and active transit is a good one, but it will require huge investment in the local transit system (I often find myself waiting 20 minutes for a Toronto transit bus in the middle of the day,  a standard I think is unreasonable in the largest city (by population at least) in the country). Not sure how public transit can be put in place for the more rural and remote communities. When I was out in Oshawa the buses weren't as frequent as Toronto but they were far more dependable in terms of sticking to a schedule. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    Apparently Guilbeault is now saying he didn’t say what he said.

    https://apple.news/AYWFWQ02LRXmsev7auhakhA
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    edited February 17
    This is amusing to me, nothing more, nothing less.

    Since his return from the Jamaican villa, instead of designating days as “personal” or “private meetings” as had been the norm this is what we get. Clearly the analysis that found a full quarter of his itinerary being “personal” touched a nerve with someone, lol (I believe I noted some issues with that analysis at the time despite my hatred, lol).

    This is “open and transparent by default” circa 2024, I suppose, lol.

    Edit: I realize I need to clarify that it's likely this new policy comes from the new communications team the PMO hired,  not the PM himself. 


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,419
    edited February 17
    I don’t see these expressions (“Fuck whoever”) as being related in any way to a person’s intelligence but rather a reflection of their passion on an issue.

    Best part is, we’re all correct in the end, despite any offence any of us has taken!

    Edit:  Again, these sentiments don’t occur in a vacuum, something that needs to be acknowledged.

    I disagree, mainly because I can't think of a single intelligent person I have ever known in my life who would be caught dead flying a "Fuck [fill in the politician's name]" flag on their vehicle. For me, that's enough evidence, lol. I do agree that only a moron would do that, simply based on life experience. Idiots are the only ones who don't realize doing such a thing only reflects poorly on them.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    edited February 22
    So I think, according to today’s logic, that this means that Trudeau thinks children should have easy access to pornography via the internet, as opposed to going into a store to purchase some, where I would be required to divulge personal information to make said purchase?

    Honestly, watching Trudeau’s increasing desperation in his smears on conservatives should be amusing but remains troubling.

    Alternately it could be said that Trudeau doesn’t respect women based on his utter disregard for their feelings on having trans women in women’s washrooms. To be fair, I didn’t like some of the language Poilievre used in stating his position, and it’s more than a bit troubling that we have both male leaders telling women how they should feel on the issue. I would like to see women consulted on this, not just the almighty Charter.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-poilievre-porn-age-verification-1.7122645

    Edit:  Here’s a link to Poilievre’s comments, which the article states was in response to a question, so is Trudeau’s characterization that PP is “picking a fight with trans kids” misinformation or disinformation?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ban-trans-women-sports-bathrooms-1.7120972
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,668
    So I think, according to today’s logic, that this means that Trudeau thinks children should have easy access to pornography via the internet, as opposed to going into a store to purchase some, where I would be required to divulge personal information to make said purchase?

    Honestly, watching Trudeau’s increasing desperation in his smears on conservatives should be amusing but remains troubling.

    Alternately it could be said that Trudeau doesn’t respect women based on his utter disregard for their feelings on having trans women in women’s washrooms. To be fair, I didn’t like some of the language Poilievre used in stating his position, and it’s more than a bit troubling that we have both male leaders telling women how they should feel on the issue. I would like to see women consulted on this, not just the almighty Charter.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-poilievre-porn-age-verification-1.7122645

    Edit:  Here’s a link to Poilievre’s comments, which the article states was in response to a question, so is Trudeau’s characterization that PP is “picking a fight with trans kids” misinformation or disinformation?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ban-trans-women-sports-bathrooms-1.7120972
    They're both complete morons.  Add to that, the media are also morons.  

    They both smear each other. They both lie. They're both like petulant children. They're politicians lol 

    The media, and us... are eating this stuff up.  I heard on the news... I can't recall which outlet, that these (porn, transgender issues) are "extremely important." 

    No.  (personal opinion here) No ... no they are not.  To me at least and  I honestly think majority of people on this land. 

    Which washroom a person chooses to use does not bother me and has not bothered me one bit.  

    We get so damned distracted by the stupid stuff... and I've said it before, and I will say it again... we are all for the most part very, very stupid. An election will likely be won... not on platform and policy... but on social issues that the media (and our leaders) kick into a frenzy. And this is where Trudeau's brilliance shines whether you like it or not. 

    If Pierre had half a brain, he would stop with the anti-woke crap.  Full stop. The next time that ding bat gets asked about this crap... he would have my vote if he answered it this way:

    "I understand that these issues affect people in Canada and I will debate them and discuss them to come to a resolution. However, this country needs to get it's economy back on track amongst many other major issues we're facing. Trudeau needs to go, we need to move forward."  Done. Done. Done.   No woke stuff, no transgender stuff, no freedom crap, none of it. 

    Pierre is a dooshbag. It that's not painfully obvious, I can't help ya lol...  He needs to clean his image and his rhetoric to win an election in Canada. 

    Trudeau should be the easiest opponent to beat in an election. I don't care what the polls say... the REAL poll (election stats) say that Canada is voting centre-left and will continue to do so. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    Parksy said:
    So I think, according to today’s logic, that this means that Trudeau thinks children should have easy access to pornography via the internet, as opposed to going into a store to purchase some, where I would be required to divulge personal information to make said purchase?

    Honestly, watching Trudeau’s increasing desperation in his smears on conservatives should be amusing but remains troubling.

    Alternately it could be said that Trudeau doesn’t respect women based on his utter disregard for their feelings on having trans women in women’s washrooms. To be fair, I didn’t like some of the language Poilievre used in stating his position, and it’s more than a bit troubling that we have both male leaders telling women how they should feel on the issue. I would like to see women consulted on this, not just the almighty Charter.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-poilievre-porn-age-verification-1.7122645

    Edit:  Here’s a link to Poilievre’s comments, which the article states was in response to a question, so is Trudeau’s characterization that PP is “picking a fight with trans kids” misinformation or disinformation?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ban-trans-women-sports-bathrooms-1.7120972
    They're both complete morons.  Add to that, the media are also morons.  

    They both smear each other. They both lie. They're both like petulant children. They're politicians lol 

    The media, and us... are eating this stuff up.  I heard on the news... I can't recall which outlet, that these (porn, transgender issues) are "extremely important." 

    No.  (personal opinion here) No ... no they are not.  To me at least and  I honestly think majority of people on this land. 

    Which washroom a person chooses to use does not bother me and has not bothered me one bit.  

    We get so damned distracted by the stupid stuff... and I've said it before, and I will say it again... we are all for the most part very, very stupid. An election will likely be won... not on platform and policy... but on social issues that the media (and our leaders) kick into a frenzy. And this is where Trudeau's brilliance shines whether you like it or not. 

    If Pierre had half a brain, he would stop with the anti-woke crap.  Full stop. The next time that ding bat gets asked about this crap... he would have my vote if he answered it this way:

    "I understand that these issues affect people in Canada and I will debate them and discuss them to come to a resolution. However, this country needs to get it's economy back on track amongst many other major issues we're facing. Trudeau needs to go, we need to move forward."  Done. Done. Done.   No woke stuff, no transgender stuff, no freedom crap, none of it. 

    Pierre is a dooshbag. It that's not painfully obvious, I can't help ya lol...  He needs to clean his image and his rhetoric to win an election in Canada. 

    Trudeau should be the easiest opponent to beat in an election. I don't care what the polls say... the REAL poll (election stats) say that Canada is voting centre-left and will continue to do so. 
    I agree that I'm fine with how someone identifies, but I also feel some of this does fall under the dreaded(?!?!) "parental rights" which I think should largely trump "the state", at least when it comes to their own kids. So far most of the legislation seems to include provisions for potentially abusive situations, but I think parents should be extensively consulted when these policies are developed. I can only imagine that if I did have a child I would want to be made aware of such a potentially important development (although my four year old niece recently wanted to be called Spot and was a dog, no one started looking up canine hormones,  lol).

    I can't really blame Poilievre for answering a question (especially considering how much I dislike Trudeau’s non-answers, lol), though I do wish he'd used some different wording in his reply which seems to be the basis for it being portrayed as him picking a fight with trans kids.  To me it's kind of like when Paul McCartney was asked if he smoked pot and when he answered honestly certain quarters used that answer against him,  lol.

    And I do agree that Trudeau is one fucking savvy campaigner, he's certainly proved it with two elections won against perfectly reasonable alternatives.  Unfortunately I largely see Poilievre as the reply to Trudeau’s successful bombast, although the ten-year fatigue is a big factor as well.
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  • erebuserebus Posts: 548
    agreed, two unpalatable choices.  I also don't get voters binary choices of only Liberal or CPC.  I am not saying Singh is the answer, but why have we not at least given them one chance in our history.
    The Bloq leader is actually the most reasonable.
    I do believe the carbon tax is putting Canada at a disadvantage, but cannot vote for PP.
    JT must be replaced as leader, but not a deep bench.
    Electoral reform may fix some of the problems but seems unlikely.
    the last sane Conservative was Lisa Raitt, 

    we are emulating the US. Divided culture wars crap and two candidates no one wants.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    I wish Trudeau would step aside for someone else, but he is nowhere near as bad as that POS PP.

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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,668
    erebus said:
    agreed, two unpalatable choices.  I also don't get voters binary choices of only Liberal or CPC.  I am not saying Singh is the answer, but why have we not at least given them one chance in our history.
    The Bloq leader is actually the most reasonable.
    I do believe the carbon tax is putting Canada at a disadvantage, but cannot vote for PP.
    JT must be replaced as leader, but not a deep bench.
    Electoral reform may fix some of the problems but seems unlikely.
    the last sane Conservative was Lisa Raitt, 

    we are emulating the US. Divided culture wars crap and two candidates no one wants.
    I would love to see NDP step up to the plate... for me though,  voting for NDP in my riding is basically a vote for CPC. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    edited February 28
    Sad to see him react this way, I truly did respect him as Speaker, but now he seems to be following Trudeau’s lead in denigrating the reporter instead of actually taking responsibility for his gaffe. And why has this only surfaced now (the exchange occurred on February 9 according to the article)?

    Too bad Jagmeet seems more interested in his pension than the actual good of the country, but Justin loves the reprieve that his deal with the NDP is giving him.

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/ex-speaker-rota-insults-ctv-reporter-after-question-about-hunka-invitation

    Edit: Since this post is likely to be read as stemming from my "hatred" of our PM, I realize that I need to come back to stress that no MP should ever talk to a citizen that way. However,  Rota is in the party whose leader has spoken about citizens as a "fringe minority" with "unacceptable views", and leadership is a top-down affair,  just as shit don't roll uphill. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,410
    Hopefully the “more to come” at the end of the article is referring to imminent arrests, the article doesn’t mention if the two are even still in the country.

    Maybe now we’ll be looking at whether or not Canadian resources helped contribute to the development of covid by the Chinese government? Isn’t it good that the Liberals did everything they could to stall the release of this information?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/winnipeg-lab-firing-documents-released-china-1.7128865
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