Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

Canadians today feel worse about their finances than they have in 3 years, poll shows

https://globalnews.ca/news/4776242/canadian-finances-pessimistic/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0N0uKQifg0nW9nOj_bs-5-GkJqoHv1YMbAYu7RcBihejPJ9wP3lgpNFhs

Of course, they are. When you have a trust fund baby running the country...sheesh.

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

Any PM that looks at a wounded vet with one leg and says "you are asking too much". is a POS to the highest order.  Here is hoping for a Sheer minority government in 2019.  Time to rid the political landscape of PM Mr. Dressup, Mr. People, and look at me fellow world leaders, "come and look at my socks".

getting tired of this quote being trotted out ad nauseum. sheer is a piece of garbage. 

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

Any PM that looks at a wounded vet with one leg and says "you are asking too much". is a POS to the highest order.  Here is hoping for a Sheer minority government in 2019.  Time to rid the political landscape of PM Mr. Dressup, Mr. People, and look at me fellow world leaders, "come and look at my socks".

You keep presenting this phrase (incorrectly) without any context, like some homeless veteran came up to him on the street and Trudeau kicked him away with a personal comment directed at him. The actual context is that the question came in a town hall meeting, during which a veteran asked why the feds are fighting some veteran's groups in court. 

"Why are we still fighting certain veterans groups in court? Because they're asking for more than we are able to give right now," Trudeau said, answering a question from a veteran, who said he lost his leg to an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan, during a town hall meeting on Thursday evening in Edmonton.

Some people booed that answer, forcing Trudeau to calm the crowd. 

"You are asking for honest answers," he said to the crowd at MacEwan University Sport and Wellness. "The old Veterans' Charter involved lump-sum payments and very little in the way of services."

A veterans' group said earlier this week it is taking its fight over recent changes to the pension system to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Before the old lifetime pension was eliminated in favour of a lump sum payment, veterans could have received up to $2,700 per month for pain and suffering. Under the restored pension plan the Liberal government introduced, the maximum a wounded soldier would ever see is $1,150 per month.

"I have pledged, and I did pledge and I will continue to pledge that I will do right by you," Trudeau said. "The changes that we've made to our support for veterans are based around recognizing where we went wrong before."

Trudeau said his government's monthly pension amount is lower because it takes into account the cost of services offered by the federal government, including post-traumatic-stress treatment and psychological care, support for caregivers and family members who look after wounded veterans and job training for those who can still get back into the job market.

The Liberals also are introducing another tax-free pain and suffering award on top of the existing one - either a lump sum or pension that would give wounded veterans up to $1,500 per month, depending on their level of disability.

I don't know all the details of what was being offered then vs. what was being asked for by the veterans, but I think that any unbiased observer would agree that there has to be an upper limit to what is offered. "Asking for more than we can afford" is a pretty common reply in any negotiation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-town-hall-edmonton-1.4515822

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

Any PM that looks at a wounded vet with one leg and says "you are asking too much". is a POS to the highest order.  Here is hoping for a Sheer minority government in 2019.  Time to rid the political landscape of PM Mr. Dressup, Mr. People, and look at me fellow world leaders, "come and look at my socks".

You keep presenting this phrase (incorrectly) without any context, like some homeless veteran came up to him on the street and Trudeau kicked him away with a personal comment directed at him. The actual context is that the question came in a town hall meeting, during which a veteran asked why the feds are fighting some veteran's groups in court. 

"Why are we still fighting certain veterans groups in court? Because they're asking for more than we are able to give right now," Trudeau said, answering a question from a veteran, who said he lost his leg to an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan, during a town hall meeting on Thursday evening in Edmonton.

Some people booed that answer, forcing Trudeau to calm the crowd. 

"You are asking for honest answers," he said to the crowd at MacEwan University Sport and Wellness. "The old Veterans' Charter involved lump-sum payments and very little in the way of services."

A veterans' group said earlier this week it is taking its fight over recent changes to the pension system to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Before the old lifetime pension was eliminated in favour of a lump sum payment, veterans could have received up to $2,700 per month for pain and suffering. Under the restored pension plan the Liberal government introduced, the maximum a wounded soldier would ever see is $1,150 per month.

"I have pledged, and I did pledge and I will continue to pledge that I will do right by you," Trudeau said. "The changes that we've made to our support for veterans are based around recognizing where we went wrong before."

Trudeau said his government's monthly pension amount is lower because it takes into account the cost of services offered by the federal government, including post-traumatic-stress treatment and psychological care, support for caregivers and family members who look after wounded veterans and job training for those who can still get back into the job market.

The Liberals also are introducing another tax-free pain and suffering award on top of the existing one - either a lump sum or pension that would give wounded veterans up to $1,500 per month, depending on their level of disability.

I don't know all the details of what was being offered then vs. what was being asked for by the veterans, but I think that any unbiased observer would agree that there has to be an upper limit to what is offered. "Asking for more than we can afford" is a pretty common reply in any negotiation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-town-hall-edmonton-1.4515822

if anything, i appreciate JT's ability to tell the truth, whether it's good news or bad. he doesn't gloss over it like the usual bs politicians,. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The context doesn’t soften the blow and make the comment acceptable. 2700 cut to 1500 per month is not ‘doing right by them’. And he’s glossed it over more than you think, Hugh.

The rationalization that the cuts were necessary so that they could offer other services is stupid. In other words, they reshaped the veterans benefit package without any additional funding given to it.

There’s lots of money there for veterans if Trudeau wanted to find it; however, as he expressed, there is no will for that (“They’re asking for more than we are able to give” really means: “You’re asking for more than we want to give”).

We know where the dashing and honourable PM Trudeau (now Soul can focus on the message versus the delivery) wants to spend money: we’ve witnessed it already and in many cases it’s not in the places I (or many other Canadians) want my tax money going towards.

I voted for him. I had hopes. I’ll give him credit for the legalization of dope- this was no small feat. But outside of that... he’s failed in my opinion. He wasn’t rea... (never mind).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Here’s an example of VA funding ptsd treatment for a shitbird who murdered a cop (he never served):

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emails-reveal-ottawa-explains-ptsd-treatment-killer-1.4962005

While it has been documented that veterans are waiting for things like prosthetics... this government eagerly dips into the tax pool set aside to to serve veterans so that it can assist with the feelings of a cop murderer.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Here’s an example of VA funding ptsd treatment for a shitbird who murdered a cop (he never served):

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emails-reveal-ottawa-explains-ptsd-treatment-killer-1.4962005

While it has been documented that veterans are waiting for things like prosthetics... this government eagerly dips into the tax pool set aside to to serve veterans so that it can assist with the feelings of a cop murderer.

i can't fathom who thought he deserved that type of benefit, and the person/committee who made that call should be held accountable. 

In September, the Trudeau government ordered officials to adopt a more critical eye before approving funds and services for the family member of veterans — particularly relatives convicted of serious crimes.

Meltdown99

GoFundMe seeks $34,000 for veteran’s prosthetic leg after Canada’s military refuses to pay
https://globalnews.ca/news/4761494/gofundme-kimberly-fawcett-prosthetic-leg/

Another vet getting the royal treatment.  Our stupid government would rather spend 3 times this or more on crooked lawyers than just do the right thing.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

GoFundMe seeks $34,000 for veteran’s prosthetic leg after Canada’s military refuses to pay
https://globalnews.ca/news/4761494/gofundme-kimberly-fawcett-prosthetic-leg/

Another vet getting the royal treatment.  Our stupid government would rather spend 3 times this or more on crooked lawyers than just do the right thing.

Correct.

Edit: inflammatory post.

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

GoFundMe seeks $34,000 for veteran’s prosthetic leg after Canada’s military refuses to pay
https://globalnews.ca/news/4761494/gofundme-kimberly-fawcett-prosthetic-leg/

Another vet getting the royal treatment.  Our stupid government would rather spend 3 times this or more on crooked lawyers than just do the right thing.

Correct.

Edit: inflammatory post.

That's a 12-year-old legal fight, so the legal fees would be well into 6 figures.  Which should be enough proof that crooked lawyers in Ottawa are running the government.  What are the feds thinking?  Are they thinking Canadians will be outraged if we pay for a soldier's prosthetic leg?  This government doesn't bat an eye at the billions we are spending on illegal borders crossers, most of which are not Asylum cases and are here for the free goodies, and who is raking in piles of cash from these asylum seekers, yup lawyers.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Canadians today feel worse about their finances than they have in 3 years, poll shows

https://globalnews.ca/news/4776242/canadian-finances-pessimistic/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0N0uKQifg0nW9nOj_bs-5-GkJqoHv1YMbAYu7RcBihejPJ9wP3lgpNFhs

Of course, they are. When you have a trust fund baby running the country...sheesh.

And you think Trudeau is the one responsible for this?? How silly. Such finances are mainly impacted by provincial and municipal politics, not federal.

Meltdown99

Syrian family still adjusting three years after arriving in Kamloops

https://www.cfjctoday.com/article/649841/syrian-family-still-adjusting-three-years-after-arriving-kamloops?fbclid=IwAR012pPzSvD5nnolXQ3wwr68fEy5eT36TUq80vN_h4Q1DdlFh2mut04YSZI

Only 3000 grand a month, undoubtedly that includes full benefits, most seniors don't get that.

Meltdown99

Egyptian-born Toronto man suing federal government after 17-year deportation fight

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mahmoud-jaballah-civil-suit-security-certificate-1.4967954

 

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Syrian family still adjusting three years after arriving in Kamloops

https://www.cfjctoday.com/article/649841/syrian-family-still-adjusting-three-years-after-arriving-kamloops?fbclid=IwAR012pPzSvD5nnolXQ3wwr68fEy5eT36TUq80vN_h4Q1DdlFh2mut04YSZI

Only 3000 grand a month, undoubtedly that includes full benefits, most seniors don't get that.

I'm sure their 5 children will be great contributors to the country. Statistics suggest they likely will be. Thank goodness they are alive here instead of dead in Syria, eh?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Syrian family still adjusting three years after arriving in Kamloops

https://www.cfjctoday.com/article/649841/syrian-family-still-adjusting-three-years-after-arriving-kamloops?fbclid=IwAR012pPzSvD5nnolXQ3wwr68fEy5eT36TUq80vN_h4Q1DdlFh2mut04YSZI

Only 3000 grand a month, undoubtedly that includes full benefits, most seniors don't get that.

I am okay with it.

3000 a month isn’t much for the entire family. The dad is having trouble gaining employment given the language barrier. Give them time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

yeah, well, ya can't really do that. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

yeah, well, ya can't really do that. 

Screw 13 year olds? I hear ya, brother.

As a  parent... when the cops refuse to help you... it is the Canadian way to sit back, let it happen, and then allow the courts to impose their mighty will.

I see an argument here for self defence.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

yeah, well, ya can't really do that. 

Screw 13 year olds? I hear ya, brother.

As a  parent... when the cops refuse to help you... it is the Canadian way to sit back, let it happen, and then allow the courts to impose their mighty will.

I see an argument here for self defence.

self defence cannot be premeditated. I couldn't read the link here, so I don't know the specifics, but I know that if you detain and assault someone (save for citizen's arrest), that's illegal. I know you often think the ends justify the means, but they (most often) don't. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

yeah, well, ya can't really do that. 

Screw 13 year olds? I hear ya, brother.

As a  parent... when the cops refuse to help you... it is the Canadian way to sit back, let it happen, and then allow the courts to impose their mighty will.

I see an argument here for self defence.

self defence cannot be premeditated. I couldn't read the link here, so I don't know the specifics, but I know that if you detain and assault someone (save for citizen's arrest), that's illegal. I know you often think the ends justify the means, but they (most often) don't. 

Tons of exchanges noted between the man (a family friend) and the young girl. Parents discouraging the girl from contact and access limited. New ways found to communicate. Messages were explicit.

Parents go to authorities. They do nothing. Man wishes to meet for sex. Parents intervene and set up time and place. Man shows up. Dad and friend take him down and tie him up. Call cops immediately to tell them they've done their work for them.

Cops arrest parents and friend for assault and forcible confinement.