Canadian Politics Redux

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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 982
    PJ_Soul said:
    so Trudeau is in winnipeg for a few days. he posts a pic of himself loading up on Oh Doughnuts (local gourmet donut shop here) for today's meetings and the never-Trudeau-ers are losing their shit. 

    US: armed militia walking the streets of Virginia, impeachment trial starting of the US president
    Canada: Trudeau bought expensive donuts! resign! 

    LOL

    I'm assuming they wanted him to get Tim's.
    Yes, which isn't even a Canadian company anymore, and has inferior donuts, while the place he went to is a Canadian small business. The silliness grows everyday!
    If this is the worst people can come up with right now, I'm feeling pretty good about things, lol.
    +1 
    I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the story. I think I read it twice. I was like "wait.... wait. People are upset because he supported local business as opposed to Tim Horton's?"  

    We live within a saturation of stupidity. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,670
    Welcome to the thread, Parksy. We need new blood.

    Not that we're out for blood or anything here...
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin TorontoPosts: 1,237
    Wow, this is how not to conduct and write an interview, fortunately the author tells us in the first two paragraphs why they have no business being the interviewer (and yet they pressed on and the editors published).

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/lunch-with-chrystia-freeland-we-liberals-have-had-a-rude-awakening

    Hey, I figured out how to post links on my phone (finally), lol!
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin TorontoPosts: 1,237
    Finally had to email CBC as to why they aren’t allowing comments on any of the stories around all these “solidarity” protests. They allow comments on all their anti-Trump articles and many others, but not this one. At least Global has a boilerplate justification when they close commenting on a given story (citing legalities, but I suspect it’s more to keep unwelcome viewpoints out, namely the more racist (or whichever-ist applies)).

    More troubling to me, though is the apparent unwillingness of the OPP to enforce the law. The longer this (now) illegal protest goes on, the greater the risk of violence exploding when the LEGAL authorities finally move in. I hope when they do the police provide a list of names to CN and Via so they (and those who’ve been fucked over and missed things like funerals) can sue the protesters for loss of income and so on.

    The more this is sat on by the authorities, the worse things will become moving forward.

    And please don’t get me wrong, I fully support the right to protest peacefully, even when I don’t agree, but this isn’t that at this point, in my opinion.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin TorontoPosts: 1,237
    Ok, now this is just getting ridiculous, makes me think of that saying about people getting the government (or lack of in this case) in a democracy.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cn-rail-shutdown-1.5463266
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,827
    Ok, now this is just getting ridiculous, makes me think of that saying about people getting the government (or lack of in this case) in a democracy.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cn-rail-shutdown-1.5463266
    Protest is a sign of a healthy democracy. As long as it's peaceful I'm not going to get too worked up about it. These protesters reflect a large portion of the population and I think it's admirable to put themselves on the line like they do.
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin TorontoPosts: 1,237
    dignin said:
    Ok, now this is just getting ridiculous, makes me think of that saying about people getting the government (or lack of in this case) in a democracy.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cn-rail-shutdown-1.5463266
    Protest is a sign of a healthy democracy. As long as it's peaceful I'm not going to get too worked up about it. These protesters reflect a large portion of the population and I think it's admirable to put themselves on the line like they do.
    You actually touched on an aspect of this that’s been bothering me. For starters I’ll clarify that I don’t consider the blockades as protest but rather as civil disobedience. But one aspect of civil disobedience is that one recognizes their acts are contrary to law and there’s the potential (some might suggest a certainty) of legal consequences for those participating. Thus far the scofflaws are apparently being shielded (or at least treated with kid gloves) by the legal authorities.

    Organize a march or gather at legislatures or politicians offices and I have no issues. I’ll even  allow those to happen without the legal permits.

    For a couple decades I engaged in civil disobedience by smoking pot. The whole time I knew there could be some consequences for doing so.

    I’m glad to read that those Indigenous people in B.C. that support this pipeline are starting to speak up despite apparent intimidation from some in their communities.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,670
    dignin said:
    Ok, now this is just getting ridiculous, makes me think of that saying about people getting the government (or lack of in this case) in a democracy.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cn-rail-shutdown-1.5463266
    Protest is a sign of a healthy democracy. As long as it's peaceful I'm not going to get too worked up about it. These protesters reflect a large portion of the population and I think it's admirable to put themselves on the line like they do.
    You actually touched on an aspect of this that’s been bothering me. For starters I’ll clarify that I don’t consider the blockades as protest but rather as civil disobedience. But one aspect of civil disobedience is that one recognizes their acts are contrary to law and there’s the potential (some might suggest a certainty) of legal consequences for those participating. Thus far the scofflaws are apparently being shielded (or at least treated with kid gloves) by the legal authorities.

    Organize a march or gather at legislatures or politicians offices and I have no issues. I’ll even  allow those to happen without the legal permits.

    For a couple decades I engaged in civil disobedience by smoking pot. The whole time I knew there could be some consequences for doing so.

    I’m glad to read that those Indigenous people in B.C. that support this pipeline are starting to speak up despite apparent intimidation from some in their communities.
    Civil disobedience is one form of protest, so it makes no sense to say that you consider these actions civil disobedience but not protest. When you refer to marches or gatherings, these are just different forms of protest, and they can also be civil disobedience, depending on where the march or gathering is. 

    Second, I highly doubt you smoked pot with the goal of being arrested in order to highlight some political cause, so no, you probably didn’t perform an act of civil disobedience, you just liked smoking pot. 
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin TorontoPosts: 1,237
    My pot comparison wasn’t the best I admit, I was trying to make the point that I knew there could be serious (criminal record) repercussions for my choice of action. At the moment the blockaders are being allowed to act with impunity and literally burn the law.

     I didn’t realize I wasn’t recognizing civil disobedience as a form of protest, it absolutely is, but it’s one that has a good likelihood of legal consequences for the protesters. In my mind a peaceful gathering of citizens to protest (or even celebrate, lol) a cause should never have to face the nightsticks, so to speak. Blockading someone else’s land and depriving people of their livelihoods (to say nothing of those “inconvenienced” like missing funerals) is far from a peaceful gathering in my opinion, and should only be allowed to persist for a short time. In my opinion we passed the line around day 2 or 3, definitely once the injunction was granted.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016
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