Should Mr. Trump clinch the presidential nomination, it would represent a rout of historic proportions for the institutional Republican Party, and could set off an internal rift unseen in either party for a half-century, since white Southerners abandoned the Democratic Party en masse during the civil rights movement.
Former Gov. Michael O. Leavitt of Utah, a top adviser to Mr. Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said the party was unable to come up with a united front to quash Mr. Trump’s campaign.
LOL
So we could see a massive realignment of political parties over the next few years. The tea party was the start of the splintering and this is the continuation. I think you will see the business community start gravitating left and the Democrats will have a generational opportunity to consolidate the educated vote. The question is whether there can be some sort of moderate position on business issues that can be forged. Because when it comes to immigration, social issues and other progressive priorities, there is alignment.
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Should Mr. Trump clinch the presidential nomination, it would represent a rout of historic proportions for the institutional Republican Party, and could set off an internal rift unseen in either party for a half-century, since white Southerners abandoned the Democratic Party en masse during the civil rights movement.
Former Gov. Michael O. Leavitt of Utah, a top adviser to Mr. Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said the party was unable to come up with a united front to quash Mr. Trump’s campaign.
LOL
Haha!
Another interesting quote from the article:
The two strategists, who declined to comment, proposed to attack Mr. Trump in New Hampshire over his business failures and past liberal positions, and emphasized the extreme urgency of their project. A Trump nomination would not only cause Republicans to lose the presidency, they wrote, “but we also lose the Senate, competitive gubernatorial elections and moderate House Republicans.”
Well OK then!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.
I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.
I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
i think they are saying that as an unofficial endorsement of trump.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.
I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
i think they are saying that as an unofficial endorsement of trump.
The electoral map favors a Democrat. I read that article and don't put a lot of merit in it. I would pay attention to 538.
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Yeah and the Faux News zombies still haven't figured it out. The GOP needed a savior to have any hope in November....it isn't going to be Trumpenstein.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
Yep...
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
Yep...
If Trump gets the nomination does that not already mean that many Republicans have already voted in good conscience for him?
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
Yep...
If Trump gets the nomination does that not already mean that many Republicans have already voted in good conscience for him?
Yes and no...he has gotten the most votes and most delegates thus far by far, but he has yet to cross even 50% of voting Republicans in a single state. So more than half of Republican voters have chosen someone else and may continue to choose someone else. How many of those votes would swing his way in the fall is an unknown.
Anyone see the SC black vote for Hillary 08 like 16% and today like 84%? Is that accurate? Obama 78% black vote in 08! Explain that one horse race analysers?
Bernie can't afford to just be close. He has to win some important states convincingly to start closing the delegate count. He will likely only win CO, MA, VT.. maybe OK and MN. But he needs to win them by like 20 points as Hillary will rack up huge delegate numbers in the South. The math is very daunting for him.
There is a remedy for not being able to afford your house it's called foreclose. The buyer is out of the house and the bank now has its collateral. There is a remedy for lying realtors, never using them again.
I'm not sure they lied... they were naive like everyone else. Housing values ALWAYS increase...right? Until they don't... But my point is that the whole chain had a hand in what culminated in 2008. I bought a house in Northern Virginia in 2002, right as the market was really zooming. NOVA is quite expensive and the realtor kept trying to move me up...take a 3/1/1 you can't lose! I've always been anti-balloon, anti-ARM so I didn't bite, but it would have been very easy for that proverbial "least sophisticated consumer".
I found this for you...check it out. Covers the housing crisis.
There is a remedy for not being able to afford your house it's called foreclose. The buyer is out of the house and the bank now has its collateral. There is a remedy for lying realtors, never using them again.
I'm not sure they lied... they were naive like everyone else. Housing values ALWAYS increase...right? Until they don't... But my point is that the whole chain had a hand in what culminated in 2008. I bought a house in Northern Virginia in 2002, right as the market was really zooming. NOVA is quite expensive and the realtor kept trying to move me up...take a 3/1/1 you can't lose! I've always been anti-balloon, anti-ARM so I didn't bite, but it would have been very easy for that proverbial "least sophisticated consumer".
I found this for you...check it out. Covers the housing crisis.
The article goes into great detail to support its premise that the issue was 90% lender caused, but I don't know how it comes up with that %. It doesn't explore, at all, the consumer's role, the agent's, etc. It only focuses on the lender, which is fine. It's intended to be a persuasive article, but it's certainly not an 'analysis'. For example, it puts this in quotes.. People shouldn't be sympathetic to banks that effectively say: "Hey, we knew the applicants were lying and wouldn't be able to repay the loans. We didn't care because we didn't hold onto the loans. We offloaded the risk to investors through the securitization process. But so what? Blame the deadbeat borrowers for the volume of foreclosures today."
I'm sorry, whose quote is that? Is he quoting an entire industry? That quote is the premise for a paragraph that said the banks knowingly underwrote bad loans.
Again, I'm not saying the banks weren't complicit or negligent. They were. But it was an entire economy built around housing. You had cities like Phoenix and Las Vegas where a substantial part of the economy was built around the housing cycle that fell apart together. Contractors, laborers, real estate, brokers, banks, all in it together. All going down together.
This dried up bag is not qualified to be President and will never be President. It's Trump dontcha know
Clinton pays tribute to black victims – ignores officers killed in line of duty
Tuh
OK, so lets see. it's:
Bernie: "old bag" "old goat" "bitch boy whore"
Hillary: "Hitlary" "dried up bag"
Tru...
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I can't do it! No way can I be funnier than you guys with your silly name calling.
Juvenile name calling is best left to the experts on the GOP stage. Rubio and Cruz are now dragged down into it.
It reminds me of a quote I once heard that I remember every day at work.."You can't argue with a crazy person. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.".
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So we could see a massive realignment of political parties over the next few years. The tea party was the start of the splintering and this is the continuation. I think you will see the business community start gravitating left and the Democrats will have a generational opportunity to consolidate the educated vote. The question is whether there can be some sort of moderate position on business issues that can be forged. Because when it comes to immigration, social issues and other progressive priorities, there is alignment.
Haha!
Another interesting quote from the article:
The two strategists, who declined to comment, proposed to attack Mr. Trump in New Hampshire over his business failures and past liberal positions, and emphasized the extreme urgency of their project. A Trump nomination would not only cause Republicans to lose the presidency, they wrote, “but we also lose the Senate, competitive gubernatorial elections and moderate House Republicans.”
Well OK then!
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Obama 78% black vote in 08!
Explain that one horse race analysers?
532k total (229k white, 293 black)
2016 turnout (est.):
360k total (125k white, 218k black)
12% voter turnout!
Hillary Clinton is the 1st Democrat to win every SC county in a contested pres primary since Bill Clinton won it 63-18 over Tsongas in 1992
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/20/whos-to-blame-for-the-mortgage-mess-banks-not-homeowners/
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html
NYT editorial on Libya
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/opinion/29tue1.html?referer=https://t.co/fJADmdL32G
People shouldn't be sympathetic to banks that effectively say: "Hey, we knew the applicants were lying and wouldn't be able to repay the loans. We didn't care because we didn't hold onto the loans. We offloaded the risk to investors through the securitization process. But so what? Blame the deadbeat borrowers for the volume of foreclosures today."
I'm sorry, whose quote is that? Is he quoting an entire industry? That quote is the premise for a paragraph that said the banks knowingly underwrote bad loans.
Again, I'm not saying the banks weren't complicit or negligent. They were. But it was an entire economy built around housing. You had cities like Phoenix and Las Vegas where a substantial part of the economy was built around the housing cycle that fell apart together. Contractors, laborers, real estate, brokers, banks, all in it together. All going down together.
Clinton pays tribute to black victims – ignores officers killed in line of duty
Tuh
Bernie:
"old bag"
"old goat"
"bitch boy whore"
Hillary:
"Hitlary"
"dried up bag"
Tru...
...
I can't do it! No way can I be funnier than you guys with your silly name calling.
It reminds me of a quote I once heard that I remember every day at work.."You can't argue with a crazy person. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.".
Who was also a Romney supporter and a Herman Cain supporter.