Hillary won more votes for President

Gern Blansten

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To you Americans out there what does this mean?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-says-she-now-opposes-obamas-pacific-trade-deal-which-she-once-touted/2015/10/07/00fb1f42-6d30-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html

As Sec of State she almost had to support it. You don't undercut your boss.

She is just aligning herself with most Democrats now.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To you Americans out there what does this mean?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-says-she-now-opposes-obamas-pacific-trade-deal-which-she-once-touted/2015/10/07/00fb1f42-6d30-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html

As Sec of State she almost had to support it. You don't undercut your boss.

She is just aligning herself with most Democrats now.

she's doing damage control and trying to win back support from the people she's been lying to, she is a professional politician lying and hiding the truth come natural to these people.

Godfather.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To you Americans out there what does this mean?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-says-she-now-opposes-obamas-pacific-trade-deal-which-she-once-touted/2015/10/07/00fb1f42-6d30-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html

As Sec of State she almost had to support it. You don't undercut your boss.

She is just aligning herself with most Democrats now.

she's doing damage control and trying to win back support from the people she's been lying to, she is a professional politician lying and hiding the truth come natural to these people.

Godfather.

Thanks for these opinions.
Up here we have an election in a weeks time and since this Hillary thing has come up the partys are being grilled about this.
Some are surprised some aren't.

gimmesometruth27

hillary has the stigma of being in the bag for big money interests. her support of the agreement made it clear to most democrats that she is. her changing her support to me seems like pandering because all the dem candidates, aside from biden, oppose this piece of shit agreement.

pickupyourwill

Anybody else watching some of these live Benghazi hearings in the last hour--craziness. I still haven't read up yet on the whole story and all the details, but I feel bad for Hillary Clinton a bit. I guess you have to expect that type of extreme scrutiny when you're running for President though. I think she is handling herself very well against some of these narrow-minded, hothead Republicans--those ones that come off all snooty like they could do such a better job, yet have no idea how hard a job like Secretary of State can be. Its easy to sit on the sidelines and critique the game when you're not the one actually playing.

callen

Most Americans see this for what it is so ironically they have helped Hillary.

Halifax2TheMax

Hillary is fine as are the gerrymandered guaranteed re elected republicans. They're just frustrated there's no "there" there and they've squandered 7 years and have 0 credibility outside their districts. Trump woot woot!

rr165892

No Hillary or lib love in the RR house ,so when the Mrs says Hillary is the most qualified to be pres,you know shits getting weird.oh my

Halifax2TheMax

When are they going to ask what Hillary was wearing when she went home to monitor the events of Benghazi? They asked if she was alone. At night. All night? Hillary might have a boy toy oh my!

JimmyV

Badgering Hillary Clinton about nothing over and over again will play well to the conservative base but won't win over a single independent. This one included.

Hillary won the debate in a landslide, dodged the Biden bullet, and is now watching as Congressional Republicans eat their young. She has had a great couple of weeks.

JimmyV

So this is what the vast right-wing conspiracy looks like?

mickeyrat

JimmyV said:

So this is what the vast right-wing conspiracy looks like?

Still waiting on the governance part.

JimmyV

Thought yesterday encapsulated the current state of American politics perfectly. A politician I dislike like was battered repeatedly by politicians I strongly dislike for purely partison reasons that have little to nothing to do with the stated goal of the hearing. This was an absolute farce perpetrated at our expense. These allegedly small government, allegedly fiscally conservative Republicans could have only wasted our money more clearly if they lit a bonfire with it inside the hearing room.

hedonist

Well-said, Jimmy.

mrussel1

Hillary certainly won the battle. When the Drudge Report headline is about her coughing fit, then you can call it an unmitigated failure for the committee.

JimmyV

That Fox News cut away from the hearing is also very telling.

rgambs

Bingo.
And your comment earlier Jimmy V about them not winning over independents was spot on as well.
They are playing amateur hour at the behest of the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

Cliffy6745

Yesterday seemed to go about as well as it possibly could have for her. Been a good couple weeks.

Meanwhile, Carson is leading in Iowa on the other side. haha

rr165892

rgambs said:

Bingo.
And your comment earlier Jimmy V about them not winning over independents was spot on as well.
They are playing amateur hour at the behest of the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

My point Gambs.You know where I stand on things and even I thought they(R)are coming off like Jack knobs.Doing more harm to the party.I fear they are loosing their way.

Halifax2TheMax

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Bingo.
And your comment earlier Jimmy V about them not winning over independents was spot on as well.
They are playing amateur hour at the behest of the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

My point Gambs.You know where I stand on things and even I thought they(R)are coming off like Jack knobs.Doing more harm to the party.I fear they are loosing their way.

Losing their way? They've lost their way, since at least 2008 when McCain selected Sister Sarah as his running mate.

JWPearl

Religion I could talk about it all day with the right people...!!!!! But politics is a big no no for me I can't stand it man trying to direct mans steps when they can't even direct or predict their own no wonder why the world is partly a mess they only help a little with laws and assistance but they will never bring about true peace and security and as long as there is politics there will never be a paradise...!!!!!

callen

rr165892 said:

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My point Gambs.You know where I stand on things and even I thought they(R)are coming off like Jack knobs.Doing more harm to the party.I fear they are loosing their way.

Imagine if R's focused on fiscal policy and making govt more efficient rather than all these National Inquirer headline subjects. Guessing they'd get few more votes.

callen

JWPearl said:

Religion I could talk about it all day with the right people...!!!!! But politics is a big no no for me I can't stand it man trying to direct mans steps when they can't even direct or predict their own no wonder why the world is partly a mess they only help a little with laws and assistance but they will never bring about true peace and security and as long as there is politics there will never be a paradise...!!!!!

Been watching great series on a monkey group in India. Politics is an integral part of their daily lives as it is in ours. Good for you to understand politics, it's in our nature. Do understand comfort received from your protector and text.

callen

JimmyV said:

That Fox News cut away from the hearing is also very telling.

Come on Jimmy, content needs some editing for their viewers.

rr165892

Shit show vindictive attack politics is what hurts all the politicians.Once they play that card I look elsewhere.
Where is the focus studies asking independents such as myself what we are looking for.Fiscal conservatives who are socially more progressive.
They need our vote(both parties) to put them in office,but they all seem to dense to understand the harm the do to themselves in our eyes.
My wife votes pretty heavy with the Republicans but after this carnival she said if she was voting today it would be Hillary.That says a lot right there

mrussel1

rr165892 said:

Shit show vindictive attack politics is what hurts all the politicians.Once they play that card I look elsewhere.
Where is the focus studies asking independents such as myself what we are looking for.Fiscal conservatives who are socially more progressive.
They need our vote(both parties) to put them in office,but they all seem to dense to understand the harm the do to themselves in our eyes.
My wife votes pretty heavy with the Republicans but after this carnival she said if she was voting today it would be Hillary.That says a lot right there

I would call myself social liberal, fiscally moderate, internationally isolationist (within reason)..and no, there is definitely not a candidate on the right for me and no one even close. They can't get through the primary, it's that simple. There are lots of studies that show the GOP losing its share of the total electorate with indys, millenials, and Latinos. But they don't care. Just read the articles and comments on sites like Breitbart, National Review, Townhall, etc. and you will see that they are continuing to move further right.. to hell with general elections. The 'base' already hates Paul Ryan. They call him the 'Amnesty Speaker' already.

rr165892

I like Ryan.Hes a bright charismatic guy.Look for him to run in 2020

mrussel1

He would poll less than 5% in the primaries today. There is no place for someone like Ryan in the party. Anyone who is interested in governing rather than throwing bombs is a RINO.
I would intuitively think he's a social moderate, but since you aren't allowed to be a moderate in the party, we really have no idea.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Shit show vindictive attack politics is what hurts all the politicians.Once they play that card I look elsewhere.
Where is the focus studies asking independents such as myself what we are looking for.Fiscal conservatives who are socially more progressive.
They need our vote(both parties) to put them in office,but they all seem to dense to understand the harm the do to themselves in our eyes.
My wife votes pretty heavy with the Republicans but after this carnival she said if she was voting today it would be Hillary.That says a lot right there

It really does. My surgeon buddy is a big time Libertarian but he finds himself voting liberally because of the rampant anti-intellectualism and idiotic pandering to the Evangelicals.

Gern Blansten

What is hilarious to me is the hype that the right wing put on that hearing. They beat the drum like the GOP is going to tear Hillary to shreds and then they come across like a bunch of absolute morons. The right wing press is in a real bind trying to salvage any victory out of the hearing.

Hillary absolutely trashed them and she looked Presidential in the process.

The focus on Sidney Blumenthal's emails is a joke. The entire GOP narrative about "unanswered questions" is even more laughable.