Hillary won more votes for President

JimmyV

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

Okay Jimmy V...

Huh?

ledvedderman

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

Okay Jimmy V...

Huh?

I think he was making reference to the quote sounding like one of the famous basketball coach Jimmy V and not you.

JimmyV

ledvedderman said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

Okay Jimmy V...

Huh?

I think he was making reference to the quote sounding like one of the famous basketball coach Jimmy V and not you.

Ah I see.

mrussel1

JimmyV said:

ledvedderman said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

Okay Jimmy V...

Huh?

I think he was making reference to the quote sounding like one of the famous basketball coach Jimmy V and not you.

Ah I see.

Ha! Yeah, I forgot that was your handle. Jimmy Valvano said it in his ESPN speech before he died.

JC29856

They took an electoral vote from Hilliary

JC29856

JC29856 said:

They took an electoral vote from Hilliary

Wait maybe their discussing Hilliary having the most faithless electors in 100 years!

JC29856

JC29856

https://youtu.be/UiqvGU3YjN4

Free

JC29856 said:

https://youtu.be/UiqvGU3YjN4

Planting the seed...

JimmyV

The problem for Hillary will always be that Putin didn't swing this election against her. I absolutely believe the Russians inserted themselves in this election. I am pretty convinced the goal by election day had become to elect Trump. But I don't believe this Russian influence was somehow more pervasive in the Midwest than it was in California. I don't believe it was more effective in Pennsylvania than it was in New Jersey. She was a flawed candidate with an ineffective message and campaign that believed it owned the votes of a winning coalition the guy before them had built. They were wrong in many ways and that, not Vladimir Putin, is why she lost so many states Barack Obama won twice.

So I don't really want to hear Hillary Clinton or John Podesta or Jennifer Palmieri complaining about Russia or Comey or Wiki. I want to hear them take responsibility for the role their mistakes and missteps played in this defeat. And then I want them to get off the stage and let the next generation of Democrats rise up to fix this mess.

MeanMr.Mustard

JimmyV said:

The problem for Hillary will always be that Putin didn't swing this election against her. I absolutely believe the Russians inserted themselves in this election. I am pretty convinced the goal by election day had become to elect Trump. But I don't believe this Russian influence was somehow more pervasive in the Midwest than it was in California. I don't believe it was more effective in Pennsylvania than it was in New Jersey. She was a flawed candidate with an ineffective message and campaign that believed it owned the votes of a winning coalition the guy before them had built. They were wrong in many ways and that, not Vladimir Putin, is why she lost so many states Barack Obama won twice.

So I don't really want to hear Hillary Clinton or John Podesta or Jennifer Palmieri complaining about Russia or Comey or Wiki. I want to hear them take responsibility for the role their mistakes and missteps played in this defeat. And then I want them to get off the stage and let the next generation of Democrats rise up to fix this mess.

true, but it's going to take a lot of fixin, the current state of the democratic party didn't just happen over night it's been festering like a pimple on America's ass for years .....so has the republican party but I'm hoping Trump is going to kick em both on the ass and jump start both parties.

Free

JimmyV said:

The problem for Hillary will always be that Putin didn't swing this election against her. I absolutely believe the Russians inserted themselves in this election. I am pretty convinced the goal by election day had become to elect Trump. But I don't believe this Russian influence was somehow more pervasive in the Midwest than it was in California. I don't believe it was more effective in Pennsylvania than it was in New Jersey. She was a flawed candidate with an ineffective message and campaign that believed it owned the votes of a winning coalition the guy before them had built. They were wrong in many ways and that, not Vladimir Putin, is why she lost so many states Barack Obama won twice.

So I don't really want to hear Hillary Clinton or John Podesta or Jennifer Palmieri complaining about Russia or Comey or Wiki. I want to hear them take responsibility for the role their mistakes and missteps played in this defeat. And then I want them to get off the stage and let the next generation of Democrats rise up to fix this mess.

How friggin long will it take for them to take responsibility?? And then get the Dem party functioning? Enough already!!

Yeah, a functioning and decent party to come back from defeat doesn't happen overnight, but admitting defeat and taking responsibility actually does. 5 weeks already!

MeanMr.Mustard

Free said:

JimmyV said:

The problem for Hillary will always be that Putin didn't swing this election against her. I absolutely believe the Russians inserted themselves in this election. I am pretty convinced the goal by election day had become to elect Trump. But I don't believe this Russian influence was somehow more pervasive in the Midwest than it was in California. I don't believe it was more effective in Pennsylvania than it was in New Jersey. She was a flawed candidate with an ineffective message and campaign that believed it owned the votes of a winning coalition the guy before them had built. They were wrong in many ways and that, not Vladimir Putin, is why she lost so many states Barack Obama won twice.

So I don't really want to hear Hillary Clinton or John Podesta or Jennifer Palmieri complaining about Russia or Comey or Wiki. I want to hear them take responsibility for the role their mistakes and missteps played in this defeat. And then I want them to get off the stage and let the next generation of Democrats rise up to fix this mess.

How friggin long will it take for them to take responsibility?? And then get the Dem party functioning? Enough already!!

Yeah, a functioning and decent party to come back from defeat doesn't happen overnight, but admitting defeat and taking responsibility actually does. 5 weeks already!

it's a classic example of a few of the things wrong with the dem party, so hungry for power and control they are beside themselves with anger and fear.

what dreams

What's more important? The losing Dems to blame and wallow in their guilt or get the party functioning again?

In five weeks, I have seen the congressional caucus appoint Sanders as head of outreach. I have heard him endorse, with the backing of major activist and lobbying groups, the hiring of Keith Ellison as head of the DNC. No other candidate has emerged other than Howard Dean. I see these actions as moving in the direction of change. We will see that process unfold over the next month.

Many of the old guard Democrats have retired from Congress. Younger members will have to emerge just by default, starting in January. Nancy Pelosi is a figurehead at this point. I don't begrudge her role as fundraiser. It's a shitty job but somebody's gotta do it. There is another Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio, who has been speaking publicly about the need for change in the House, and I think he will be someone to watch this next cycle.

The local parties are active in keeping members involved for 2020. I can't speak for anybody but me, but I can say I will be attending two events in January -- one an organizing brunch and another a fundraiser ($25.00 for a bowl of soup, hardly a corporate buy out). I think if everyone were to stay as involved, things will change.

I guess I see these things because I look for them. I don't have time to demand that Hillary say whatever I think she should say. That won't change a thing, even if it makes me feel better (which it won't). Here's to moving on . . .

Degeneratefk

what dreams said:

Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

That's easy, because they have NOTHING good to say about their candidate.

mrussel1

It's all very strange considering she won almost 3 MM more votes. She lost because she lost in the wrong place, not because Trump's message resonated with more Americans vs hers. Let's be crystal clear about that. If it were true, he would have won the popular vote. The re-formation of a strategy is how to take a message that resonates with a MAJORITY of Americans and apply it to a few key swing states.

JimmyV

what dreams said:

What's more important? The losing Dems to blame and wallow in their guilt or get the party functioning again?

In five weeks, I have seen the congressional caucus appoint Sanders as head of outreach. I have heard him endorse, with the backing of major activist and lobbying groups, the hiring of Keith Ellison as head of the DNC. No other candidate has emerged other than Howard Dean. I see these actions as moving in the direction of change. We will see that process unfold over the next month.

Many of the old guard Democrats have retired from Congress. Younger members will have to emerge just by default, starting in January. Nancy Pelosi is a figurehead at this point. I don't begrudge her role as fundraiser. It's a shitty job but somebody's gotta do it. There is another Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio, who has been speaking publicly about the need for change in the House, and I think he will be someone to watch this next cycle.

The local parties are active in keeping members involved for 2020. I can't speak for anybody but me, but I can say I will be attending two events in January -- one an organizing brunch and another a fundraiser ($25.00 for a bowl of soup, hardly a corporate buy out). I think if everyone were to stay as involved, things will change.

I guess I see these things because I look for them. I don't have time to demand that Hillary say whatever I think she should say. That won't change a thing, even if it makes me feel better (which it won't). Here's to moving on . . .

Tom Perez has announced his candidacy and will pose a formidable challenge to Ellison.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/15/labor-secretary-tom-perez-officially-launches-dnc-bid/?utm_term=.5d70178932d7

Tim Ryan was easily defeated by Nancy Pelosi in the speaker's race.

Where were the Democrats in this month's Louisiana senate runoff? Mike Pence and Donald Trump both visited the state in the closing days of the race. Prominent national figures in the Democratic party were largely absent and silent. The GOP chalked up another victory.

Moving on is fine, provided the party learns from this experience. I'm unconvinced it has. Yesterday was Russia day. Today appears to be Comey day. Moving on isn't synonymous with granting a blanket pardon.

mrussel1

MeanMr.Mustard said:

Free said:

JimmyV said:

The problem for Hillary will always be that Putin didn't swing this election against her. I absolutely believe the Russians inserted themselves in this election. I am pretty convinced the goal by election day had become to elect Trump. But I don't believe this Russian influence was somehow more pervasive in the Midwest than it was in California. I don't believe it was more effective in Pennsylvania than it was in New Jersey. She was a flawed candidate with an ineffective message and campaign that believed it owned the votes of a winning coalition the guy before them had built. They were wrong in many ways and that, not Vladimir Putin, is why she lost so many states Barack Obama won twice.

So I don't really want to hear Hillary Clinton or John Podesta or Jennifer Palmieri complaining about Russia or Comey or Wiki. I want to hear them take responsibility for the role their mistakes and missteps played in this defeat. And then I want them to get off the stage and let the next generation of Democrats rise up to fix this mess.

How friggin long will it take for them to take responsibility?? And then get the Dem party functioning? Enough already!!

Yeah, a functioning and decent party to come back from defeat doesn't happen overnight, but admitting defeat and taking responsibility actually does. 5 weeks already!

it's a classic example of a few of the things wrong with the dem party, so hungry for power and control they are beside themselves with anger and fear.

This makes no fucking sense whatsoever. You just strung together some words that are not connected by any concrete examples. Please explain how the deomocrats on this board are so hungry for power that we are besides ourselves with fear. What that fuck does that even mean?

Gern Blansten

Yeah when dems are in power people are taken care of at least. I truly don't understand how GF can be in a union and spew that garbage.

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

It's all very strange considering she won almost 3 MM more votes. She lost because she lost in the wrong place, not because Trump's message resonated with more Americans vs hers. Let's be crystal clear about that. If it were true, he would have won the popular vote. The re-formation of a strategy is how to take a message that resonates with a MAJORITY of Americans and apply it to a few key swing states.

I can't get over it....she lost by 77,000 votes (combined) in the three states that tilted the election yet she won the overall majority vote by 3,000,000....fucking insane