Hillary won more votes for President

Gern Blansten

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

"Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.

I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.

Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media

Free

Gern Blansten said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

"Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.

I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.

Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media

Little do you know. Many of those criticizing the Dems are not right wing at all.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

"Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.

I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.

Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media

Little do you know. Many of those criticizing the Dems are not right wing at all.

I can't translate that statement.

what dreams

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

JimmyV

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

I feel like this is a contradiction. Do most Democrats understand the problem or is it just a radical contingent of leftists criticizing the party?

Free

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

The party is in dire need to move more progressive. This closet Republican – centrist Hillary Clinton idealism does not work for the Dems anymore. There are too many Bernie supporters in the party that will push it to the left.

And no, it's not some radical contingent of leftists. It is the direction we're moving, it is the direction America wants to move. Or have we not been been paying attention to Bernie Sanders message and all the supporters of follow him- millions of people.

MeanMr.Mustard

JC29856 said:

everybody is forgetting about that it's very well played by the Democratic party.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

The party is in dire need to move more progressive. This closet Republican – centrist Hillary Clinton idealism does not work for the Dems anymore. There are too many Bernie supporters in the party that will push it to the left.

And no, it's not some radical contingent of leftists. It is the direction we're moving, it is the direction America wants to move. Or have we not been been paying attention to Bernie Sanders message and all the supporters of follow him- millions of people.

But HRC would have been the next logical step rather than Trumpenstein. The radical left couldn't come to grips with that.

JimmyV

MeanMr.Mustard said:

JC29856 said:

everybody is forgetting about that it's very well played by the Democratic party.

What?

JC29856

Electors are voting Sanders instead of Hilliary

what dreams

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

I feel like this is a contradiction. Do most Democrats understand the problem or is it just a radical contingent of leftists criticizing the party?

Both. It's not an either/or proposition. The folks in the center realize they are outnumbered, kind of like folks in center of the Republican party. If there's ever a need for a third party, it's for the center.

JC29856

Pied Piper Candidates

There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage
on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the
lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we
don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually
represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to take them
seriously.

Free

JC29856 said:

Electors are voting Sanders instead of Hilliary

Fantastic!

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

I feel like this is a contradiction. Do most Democrats understand the problem or is it just a radical contingent of leftists criticizing the party?

Both. It's not an either/or proposition. The folks in the center realize they are outnumbered, kind of like folks in center of the Republican party. If there's ever a need for a third party, it's for the center.

So you're saying that Hillary is a closet Republican. Because that's basically what She is: more right than center.

Free

And I'm not saying the above because I simply don't like her. She actually demonstrates not just a centrist position, she actually is pretty conservative based and how liberal the Democratic Party should be. They are not. Backing Wall Street and big banks and status quo isn't liberal.

what dreams

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Electors are voting Sanders instead of Hilliary

Fantastic!

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

I feel like this is a contradiction. Do most Democrats understand the problem or is it just a radical contingent of leftists criticizing the party?

Both. It's not an either/or proposition. The folks in the center realize they are outnumbered, kind of like folks in center of the Republican party. If there's ever a need for a third party, it's for the center.

So you're saying that Hillary is a closet Republican. Because that's basically what She is: more right than center.

No, I'm saying there are center left Democrats. And there are center right Republicans. There is a difference, no matter how hard you try to change that fact.

mrussel1

Free said:

And I'm not saying the above because I simply don't like her. She actually demonstrates not just a centrist position, she actually is pretty conservative based and how liberal the Democratic Party should be. They are not. Backing Wall Street and big banks and status quo isn't liberal.

Which positions are actually conservative vs. center left? I'm assuming you mean economically. Her positions on Obamacare, TPP, taxes, Dodd Frank, Card Act, etc are firmly center left. You could make an argument on bankruptcy reform, but that was 12 or so years ago. And lots of Dems voted for that.

JC29856

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

JC29856

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Democratic Electors so far have voted for Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders and a spotted eagle instead of Hilliary...telling very telling.

You're a master at attempting to make dumb shit sound reasonable.

You didn't think the spotted eagle was funny?

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

Okay Jimmy V...