Hillary won more votes for President
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You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.0 -
Attacking Comey was a big mistake
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html
The FBI leaks are coming hard and fast now. The Clinton campaign will not be able to keep up.0 -
Saw this a few minutes ago. Is this legit?BS44325 said:Attacking Comey was a big mistake
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html
The FBI leaks are coming hard and fast now. The Clinton campaign will not be able to keep up.0 -
Hard to know but that's the thing... Instead of just brushing off the Comey letter the Clinton Campaign chose to go to war. Now leaks will come out left, right and center that will be impossible to refute. Everything will sound plausible based on public evidence already available and based on Hillary's terrible honest amd trustworthy numbers. The above reporting does not seem far fetched.tonifig8 said:
Saw this a few minutes ago. Is this legit?BS44325 said:Attacking Comey was a big mistake
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html
The FBI leaks are coming hard and fast now. The Clinton campaign will not be able to keep up.0 -
She's toast. Looks like we will be electing President Kaine.0
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Anyone hear from Clinton lately? Has she given a press conference? Would love to hear some answer from her.0
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Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe
Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation
http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518?tesla=y
http://sli.mg/taiKLL
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BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.BS44325 said:
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.Post edited by bootlegger10 on0 -
No. Those people were voted in to exercise the will of those who sent them there. That will sometimes includes blocking votes when possible. It is not treason and to demand charges be brought against those who block votes within the rules is facism. This is a very dangerous game people are playing as you are advocating for actions that you wouldn't want a President Trump to take.bootlegger10 said:BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.BS44325 said:
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.0 -
I agree with Kat's sentiments but not to lock them up. WE should take other action with campaign contribution and lobbying laws. Congress is broken right now. Absolutely broken. Both sides. Something needs to change. That is the point. Our politicians suck.BS44325 said:
No. Those people were voted in to exercise the will of those who sent them there. That will sometimes includes blocking votes when possible. It is not treason and to demand charges be brought against those who block votes within the rules is facism. This is a very dangerous game people are playing as you are advocating for actions that you wouldn't want a President Trump to take.bootlegger10 said:BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.BS44325 said:
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.
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Where is the proof that the "will of those who sent them there" is to prevent SCOTUS nominations?BS44325 said:
No. Those people were voted in to exercise the will of those who sent them there. That will sometimes includes blocking votes when possible. It is not treason and to demand charges be brought against those who block votes within the rules is facism. This is a very dangerous game people are playing as you are advocating for actions that you wouldn't want a President Trump to take.bootlegger10 said:BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
No, I think she is saying their continuous refusal to put a vote is treason. Not how they vote.BS44325 said:
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
Someone mentioned the voters elected these people, well, elections matter. They voted people in to vote on bills. Not be sore losers.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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it's not that they aren't voting a certain way but they aren't voting at all. because they know they will lose if they bring it up to vote. it might not be treason but they are failing to do the job they were elected to do. yea i don't think they should be tried for treason but they sure as hell should be called out for it. they are stalling the very democracy they were elected to govern under.BS44325 said:
You said that you want to see the justice department bring them up on charges for treason. There is no twist in that. You want to criminalize elected representatives for failing to vote in a manner you see fit. Just think about that for a bit.Kat said:
That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.BS44325 said:
Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.Kat said:.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c
For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.0 -
More positive news for the pro-Clinton camp
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/02/like-father-like-son-george-w-bush-rumored-to-be-voting-for-hillary-clinton/0 -
yes, we'll see the next time you try to bait someone.Free said:HughFreakingDillon said:
and I have no regrets.benjs said:
I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.tonifig8 said:
Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.dignin said:
Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.tonifig8 said:
Let's keep the convo on important matters, right KatGo Beavers said:
The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.unsung said:
You know nothing John Snow.Go Beavers said:
Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.unsung said:LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.
And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.
That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.
I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down
I see. Well, we'll see what Kat thinks next time you tell me or anyone else we're "full of shit".benjs said:
I'm not judging, just hoping we can all manage to stick around, we need diverse voices here!HughFreakingDillon said:
and I have no regrets.benjs said:
I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.tonifig8 said:
Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.dignin said:
Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.tonifig8 said:
Let's keep the convo on important matters, right KatGo Beavers said:
The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.unsung said:
You know nothing John Snow.Go Beavers said:
Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.unsung said:LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.
And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.
That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.
I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down
OH THE DRAMA!!!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Another great sign! Yay! Congrats to the Cubs.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/11/03/flythew-hillary-clinton-sure-did/f5WnVzAnNkYOtm3IhS4hUI/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe:socialflow:twitter
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/11/02/world-series-game-7-chicago-cubs-cleveland-indians-electionFalling down,...not staying down0 -
Your last paragraph is the reason I initially came here; to learn. I don't watch the news for the most part, as I find it too depressing, and also quite partisan, so I came here in hopes of truth. Sometimes you get it, sometimes it's just as partisan as the news. there can be lots to filter through, and you learn who to avoid and who to pay attention to. I would say most people on AMT are more knowledgeable than me when it comes to world affairs, but I hope to bring a fresh perspective based on common sense and a genuine caring I have for the globe.Vitalogensia said:
I'll take the bait on that.
Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.
Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
Sometimes I wished I'd never started posting at all, though. LOL.
Interesting comment on Trump supporters. Given all his hateful rhetoric, I would have thought the same as the raging stereotype, but I believe you are correct, in that they are just tired of the same old same old, and they truly believe he will turn Washington upside down. Are there some bad apples in the bunch? Absolutely, but there are people I respect that I've come to know are Trump supporters (Canadian ones, but I digress). that's been a bit of an eye opener, for sure.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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