Hillary won more votes for President

pjalive21

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

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After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Voting to make history can blind people from looking at the character and policies that one holds

if that lady voted only because she was a woman, just like people only voted for Obama because he was first black president then you miss the whole reason to vote...just saying

I would have asked her why not Jill Stein?

She answered that by saying intelligent, qualified and viable.

that part is debatable

Boxes&Books

CM189191 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

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After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Sounds like some of that good ole' fashioned 'Hope & Change'

No it doesn't. She voted for a corrupt politician who is all establishment and currently on her second investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
That doesn't sound like hope and change.

PJ_Soul

tonifig8 said:

CM189191 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

(snipped)

After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Sounds like some of that good ole' fashioned 'Hope & Change'

No it doesn't. She voted for a corrupt politician who is all establishment and currently on her second investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
That doesn't sound like hope and change.

You keep saying second investigation. If you're referring to the emails that aren't hers in Weiner's device, there isn't a second investigation for that. They simply reopened an investigation because they think maybe they might have found some non-Hillary emails related to it. Just FYI.

mrussel1

This thread is a total shit show. I'll see y'all after the election. I'm sure 20% of the people will go underground.

If anyone is going to TOTD this Friday in Philly, let me know. Let's get a beer.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

This thread is a total shit show. I'll see y'all after the election. I'm sure 20% of the people will go underground.

If anyone is going to TOTD this Friday in Philly, let me know. Let's get a beer.

+1

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

This thread is a total shit show. I'll see y'all after the election. I'm sure 20% of the people will go underground.

If anyone is going to TOTD this Friday in Philly, let me know. Let's get a beer.

+1

I've got three people filming the show, plus me.

unsung

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

(snipped)

After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Did I miss the part where she mentioned good character and trustworthiness?

unsung

pjalive21 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

(snipped)

After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Voting to make history can blind people from looking at the character and policies that one holds

if that lady voted only because she was a woman, just like people only voted for Obama because he was first black president then you miss the whole reason to vote...just saying

I would have asked her why not Jill Stein?

She answered that by saying intelligent, qualified and viable.

that part is debatable

All three are.

Free

HughFreakingDillon said:

benjs said:

tonifig8 said:

dignin said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.

And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.

Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.

You know nothing John Snow.

The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.

Let's keep the convo on important matters, right Kat

Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.

That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.

Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.

I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down

I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.

and I have no regrets.

benjs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

benjs said:

tonifig8 said:

dignin said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.

And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.

Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.

You know nothing John Snow.

The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.

Let's keep the convo on important matters, right Kat

Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.

That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.

Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.

I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down

I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.

and I have no regrets.

I'm not judging, just hoping we can all manage to stick around, we need diverse voices here!

I see. Well, we'll see what Kat thinks next time you tell me or anyone else we're "full of shit".

CM189191

pjalive21 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-history_us_5818da8ce4b0390e69d2d8fc

(snipped)

After she turned in her ballot, Wilkinson said she was struck with emotion.

“It hit me how important this was,” she said. “I’m 60 years old and this is the first time in my life, and anybody’s life here, that we’ve actually had a viable woman candidate for president of the United States. And she has a good shot at winning!”

“To think about how far we’ve come,” Wilkinson added. “The fight and struggle just to vote for an intelligent, qualified, viable woman ― it was just sort of overwhelming to me on that morning. And I was thanking God that I was able to do this.”

Voting to make history can blind people from looking at the character and policies that one holds

if that lady voted only because she was a woman, just like people only voted for Obama because he was first black president then you miss the whole reason to vote...just saying

I would have asked her why not Jill Stein?

She answered that by saying intelligent, qualified and viable.

that part is debatable

Most. Qualified. Candidate. Ever.
Don't make me post her accomplishments again.

PJ_Soul

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

benjs said:

tonifig8 said:

dignin said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.

And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.

Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.

You know nothing John Snow.

The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.

Let's keep the convo on important matters, right Kat

Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.

That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.

Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.

I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down

I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.

and I have no regrets.

benjs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

benjs said:

tonifig8 said:

dignin said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.

And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.

Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.

You know nothing John Snow.

The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.

Let's keep the convo on important matters, right Kat

Like how we are all just clintonite sheep? Bah.

That reminds me...I got another raise after the fundraising boost due to the FBI investigation. Apparently it really fired up the donors.

Oh I could careless, but it appears you aren't paying attention. She said the thread would be closed if we kept it up.. So in good faith, and in hopes of letting real info spread, I'm doing my part and no longer referring to the clintonite army as such. you guys are now the pro-Clinton team.

I don't see what the issue was with clintonites- just like berniebros ... Not a big deal or offensive. Anyhow. Just trying to keep this from shutting down

I don't think it was the Clintonites comment at all - Kat was pretty clear about the fact that calling each other "full of shit" and the like on a regular basis are unacceptable. Not suggesting that you've said anything like this, but others have.

and I have no regrets.

I'm not judging, just hoping we can all manage to stick around, we need diverse voices here!

I see. Well, we'll see what Kat thinks next time you tell me or anyone else we're "full of shit".

Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.

I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows.

Free

tonifig8 said:

benjs said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

tonifig8 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

LOL, people that are ready for this actually have places away from cities. Yep, people are going to die. This system is unsustainable.

And no, I don't live in Chicago, I'm not a freaking idiot.

Now I have a better understanding about your beliefs about racial purity.

You know nothing John Snow.

The segregation around that area breeds cultural ignorance unless the person really makes an effort to overcome it. When they don't do that, the ignorance really fuels fear.

Let's keep the convo on important matters, right Kat

You don't think racism is an important issue? It's been an underlying theme for awhile now, since we've heard from politicians that we need to "take our country back", and that Trump had said blatantly racist things and also draws a high level of support from white supremacists.

I absolutely do. I'm Hispanic and a diehard progressive, so you could understand why I might care about it just a little more.
Personally I just don't think one member's opinion on here is more important then this election.
Trump might be supported by racist, but they aren't enough to defeat us. Also, if said member wants to preserve a race of people, that's fine with me, if said member wants to protect the law and boarders that's also fine with me.

But I get where you're coming from and I remember the exchange that occurred. It was heated and I do find myself on your side, but we're about to elect a crook. We're about to really fuck up our society(and I don't mean the end of the world), why? Because the majority of people truly dislike these candidates and there's going to be some serious outrage once one of these crooks is elected. This is more then right vs left...our whole system has been exposed and we're disgusted with what we're witnessing. A majority of us have lost complete faith in our system and we're now pissed about it!
Look at the shit JC is posting and tell me with an honest heart that you are proud of your candidate.

A lot of the outrage! and crook stuff is manufactured hype. People are outraged every four years, and Hillary hasn't done anything new that politicians and elected presidents haven't done before. Hillary will get elected, and if there isn't a crisis event in the next 6 to 10 months, we'll be okay, and more people will start to see that we'll be okay. The Trump supporters will go back to their world of fear, where they've been all the years before this.

Manufactured hype? let's just end the convo there.

Maybe some of us are done with the whole "this is nothing new". I'm not accepting that and I'm voting for trump, which makes me sick to my very core; But the good thing is that I can still say that i've never voted for a republican.
Yeah, I guess the majority of people will go back to their holes.

I'm confused. If you vote for Trump, you've still never voted for a Republican? Isn't he the Republican nominee?

Also, you complain about a duopoly which doesn't represent the progressive ideals of the people, yet possess pride about never voting for a Republican candidate. How does a party pivot towards progressive idealism if the progressive idealists are proud to be diametrically opposed to a party? This lack of empathy is not a one-way street, and I personally feel that the odds of change are better when they occur within the system (aided by third-party organizations designed to mandate proper representation), rather than without the system (i.e. a third party with no precedence of having the ability to seize power in a system that promotes them not gaining it).

excellent post. But shouldn't we be talking about Clinton?

Real republicans don't consider trump to be a real republican. Which is sarcasm on my end. The establishment doesn't like him, the hardliners don't like him, and most traditional republicans don't like him. He's more of an outsider using the GOP platform. Kind of like Sanders did. Germ loves to mention that Bush Senior might vote for Clinton and points out that other republicans are turning their back on him. Anyhow, that's where my sarcasm comes from. My vote is a genuine protest vote. It will actually count.

I don't talk much about a two party system, in the sense that someone like Free does (he's consistently talking about challenging the system- that's great). I'm not satisfied with it and I certainly have my issues with it. I feel it's something that must be challenged and changed, but that hasn't been my primary focus. My focus is Clinton/Trump then we'll get back to fighting for progressive causes or making the necessary changes.

If Clinton is elected she'll work with certain third party organizations, but as we've witnessing w/ all this info being dropped and exposed - you can bet she'll be working to better her interest and those of who she's connected to. All of this power they've obtained will only become more powerful and will become even more difficult to challenge. The leaks have served a great purpose. They have exposed her and her network. They have given us a front row seat to the realities of campaigns. Many of the pro-clinton people would call us conspiracy nuts, but it turns out we weren't so crazy.
Ultimately I'm promoting justice, not a politician or a political party that will ultimately continue to piggy back off of average citizens.

Great post, as well as Benjs post before it. Finally, substance.

PJ_Soul

JWPearl

you all over....

brianlux

Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.

Really?

brianlux

^^^ Sorry PJ_S. I know you say what you mean, I'm just surprised you know of none who would do that.

Boxes&Books

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.

Really?

It's all over the place. All you have to do is step outside. And I've heard many women say it proudly. Just because she is a woman.
PJ_Soul doesn't live in America - it's kind of hard to get a clear understanding of things that are happening on the ground.

I would love to have an honest, ethical, and strong Female President. That would be a great moment. Just like in 2008 with Obama.

unsung

brianlux said:

Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

Well after this one any woman can only be better.

Casey Anthony 2020!!!