Hillary won more votes for President

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

    I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
    Really?

    It's all over the place. All you have to do is step outside. And I've heard many women say it proudly. Just because she is a woman.
    PJ_Soul doesn't live in America - it's kind of hard to get a clear understanding of things that are happening on the ground.

    I would love to have an honest, ethical, and strong Female President. That would be a great moment. Just like in 2008 with Obama.
    OMG, yes.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited November 2016
    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

    I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
    Really?

    It's all over the place. All you have to do is step outside. And I've heard many women say it proudly. Just because she is a woman.
    PJ_Soul doesn't live in America - it's kind of hard to get a clear understanding of things that are happening on the ground.

    I would love to have an honest, ethical, and strong Female President. That would be a great moment. Just like in 2008 with Obama.
    Well yeah, if it's an American thing, I guess I wouldn't know (besides what I see everyday on social media and in the news and media in general...). Please remember that we do have elections outside of America, and that women are sometimes on the ballot, lol. I was speaking generally, not just in this election. So no, I don't know any women who would vote for a woman JUST because she's a woman (and in BC we know - our premier is a woman, and she is the WORST. I don't know anyone, male or female, who doesn't hate her). Are you guys sure that a lot of women are doing that in the US though? Or are you perhaps misinterpreting their reasoning (outside of a small noisy minority of idiots)? Because I have noticed that there is a misunderstanding about this sometimes, generally, but not always, from men who don't agree with voting for the woman in question. Because yes, that someone is a woman has an impact for other women because a female can, presumably or ideally, understand the needs of women better and act as a better representative for them (and children, some think). For sure. I am not denying that. It makes perfect sense in a world where women are not yet equal and require better representation. Remember how disgistingly underrepresented women are in governmemt. Men would flip out if they were that underepresented in government (or at least I hope they would). But that doesn't mean that women vote for her when she's got nothing else on the table. If she's a horrible politician with no redeeming qualities and who will most likely fuck everything up, but is a woman, most women are not going to vote for her just because she's female.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Sorry PJ_S. I know you say what you mean, I'm just surprised you know of none who would do that.

    I'm surprised you do.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    https://youtu.be/47XG_r0gUF8

    Game, set and match.
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,197
    edited November 2016
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.

    I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows. :lol:
    I'll take the bait on that.

    Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.

    Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
    Post edited by Vitalogensia on
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited November 2016
    BS44325 said:

    https://youtu.be/47XG_r0gUF8

    Game, set and match.

    As scooby would say rut roh.

    When was this?

    Can you post the youtube link?
    Post edited by unsung on
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited November 2016
    Vitalogensia said:



    I'll take the bait on that.

    Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.

    Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
    Bravo. Well said.
    Post edited by Boxes&Books on
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Vitalogensia said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.

    I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows. :lol:
    I'll take the bait on that.

    Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.

    Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!

    Awesome first post in AMT.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Vitalogensia said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.

    I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows. :lol:
    I'll take the bait on that.

    Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.

    Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!

    Great post. The AMT could use more of that. Voting democrat but empathy for the Trump voter.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/11/02/what-is-this-election-missing-empathy-for-trump-voters/
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    edited November 2016
    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to their knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.
    Post edited by Kat on
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    That won't happen, they'd end up convicting themselves.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Sorry PJ_S. I know you say what you mean, I'm just surprised you know of none who would do that.

    I'm surprised you do.
    Oh you should see the nefarious and shady characters I hang out with!

    No, seriously, I do know some but remember, I work with the public and run into a lot of people.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Slippery slope but I would be fine with that on the surface. There are probably other actions we could take like campaign finance reform, term limits, etc...

    Go Cubs.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    BS44325 said:

    Vitalogensia said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    Ahaha, always nice to see that high road being taken, lol.

    I would also like to not lose anyone else, and would be thrilled if more people would join in... I wonder how many lurkers there are on the AMT? If any of you are reading this, speak up, we need some people to shake up our AMT bubble of aggression and low blows. :lol:
    I'll take the bait on that.

    Quick summary: longtime lurker, first time responder; mid-30s, socially liberal, Red Catholic upbringing, moderately conservative network of friends/co-workers. I try to vote third party simply based on principle of believing we need more voices in the arena, I've never been particularly swayed by any presidential candidate in my life (kinda doubt that's possible, honestly), but voting Democratic this year mostly against Trump, but also somewhat in support of Hillary. I don't feel great voting for her, though I don't mind her, yet I also don't think Armageddon is on the horizon if Trump wins. I think a lot of people that bash Trump (which they may have a valid points for) vastly misinterpret his supporters. The majority of people I know voting for Trump are not stupid, they aren't hateful; they're good people and they work hard and care. Most of them don't necessarily care about big political issues (or, perhaps, the things that put his haters into a rage don't register with them, so they seem clueless?). They are apathetic to the system. Trump has somehow invigorated them into caring (obviously in different degrees), and I've seen some people get swept up in the euphoria of caring. I think anti-Trump people have so much emotion towards him as a person that they have a mental block when it comes to people that don't back away from supporting him. They see him as a person that will change a system that seems fucked up every presidential election, and honestly I respect that mentality and desire. But I think there could be someone smarter and better fit to fuck up the system.

    Hope this hasn't angered anyone, not trying to get into one-on-one debates with you all at all. I enjoy reading these threads because I get exposed to lots of voices and idea and sources of information I wouldn't find otherwise, which makes me somewhat wiser, so thank you all for that. I also like the random moments I see one of AMT peeps make a Pearl Jam comment or two. Okay, rant over; America!
    Great post. The AMT could use more of that. Voting democrat but empathy for the Trump voter.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/11/02/what-is-this-election-missing-empathy-for-trump-voters/

    Keep posting! Love to see new perspectives here left right center and far out!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    edited November 2016
    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
    That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
    Post edited by Kat on
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Question: Do we want a woman president because she is a woman or because she would make a good president? I would love to see both but I don't think Stein has much of a chance.

    I don't know any women who would vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I guess there are women stupid enough to do that out there somewhere, but to suggest that this might be a common thing is actually an insult to female intelligence.
    Thank you.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Kat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
    That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
    That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
    That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
    That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
    Yeah, out of control actions such as expecting a SCOTUS nominee to get a hearing.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    .http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heritage-foundation-raises-cash-to-help-gop-senators-block-supreme-court-nominees_us_58190747e4b0f96eba968e4c

    For one branch of government to plot to bring the other two branches to its knees defines treason to me. If they continue in their plotting and treachery, I'd like to see the Justice Dept bring them all up on charges of treason. The trials would be a great lesson in government too.

    Wow. What you just argued for is basically facism. The US has a system of check and balances. The branches are separate but equal and if one branch wants to check another branch it is completely acceptable wether you like it or not. Suggesting a congress elected by voters should be charged with treason is the height of political extremism. It is the kind of thing that happens in Maduro's Venezuela, Erdogan's Turkey, or dare I say it...Putin's Russia. People worry about Trump being a dictator but it is Clinton's base that is pushing for dictatorial actions.
    That's some twist you're putting on what I said. Read it carefully. I clearly said one branch is acting in a treasonous manner (and it's also unAmerican) to try and shut down the other two branches of government. I love my country and I'm sick of obstructionism. No more.
    That is exactly what they are supposed to do when other branches get out of control. That is the ENTIRE point.
    Oh wait, you must be referring to out of control actions like the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 64... Things that have led to the elimination of the "white race".
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