So we're going to keep living in fantasyland, and keep it up that she has more votes. Way to Move on.
we all know that she lost. he is merely responding to the people claiming "more people voted trump", which is mathematically false. it really is that simple.
Thank you....I thought I was insane
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think so. Bernie wouldn't have had to deal with the email issues, the bullshit Comey November surprise, etc. Plus....he wasn't a woman. Unfortunately our country is too backward to elect a woman....but it was fucking close.
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think anyone can know that. Any kind of surmising what would've happened had Sanders been the nominee would be based on so many unknowns, including how people weigh so many factors: party allegiances, media coverage, male-dominant politics and/or society, white-dominant politics and/or society, American-dominant society, change, corruption. In addition, it would be based on how willing people are to buy in with or without critical thought. What matters now is the populace's ability to re-seize power from the political or wealthy elite - what happened yesterday should just be lessons learnt of the dangers of complacency, blind allegiance, and a populace that doesn't feel empowered in what's known as a democratic society.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think so. Bernie wouldn't have had to deal with the email issues, the bullshit Comey November surprise, etc. Plus....he wasn't a woman. Unfortunately our country is too backward to elect a woman....but it was fucking close.
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
I have to agree with Hugh here...it was inevitable to go red after 8 years of blue, but the surprise in all of that it was Trump and I may be in the minority but the word Socialism in any form would have prevented a Bernie win
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Thursday that his former presidential rival, Hillary Clinton, will play a vital role in shaping the future for Democrats as the party seeks to recover from her disastrous election loss to Donald Trump.
“She has a very important role to play,” Sanders said at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. “She got more votes than Mr. Trump and was the Democratic nominee, so it goes without saying she has a very important role to play in the Democratic Party. ... We will not agree on every issue, but her voice is an important one and needs to be heard.” Sanders disputed the notion that his attacks against Clinton — most notably on her paid speeches to Wall Street banks — may have contributed to her defeat in the general election against Trump.
“At the end of the day my candidacy ended up being helpful,” Sanders said. “If we believe that candidates should not be anointed — the Republicans had 17 candidates for their position. We had a heated, issue-oriented campaign, and my campaign brought millions of people into the political process, most of whom voted for Hillary Clinton. It played a positive role.”
Clinton made her first post-election public appearance on Wednesday night since her stunning defeat that has left Democrats in rebuilding mode.
Speaking at a Children’s Defense Fund gala in Washington, D.C., Clinton talked about the emotionally wrenching days she’s endured since her surprise defeat.
“I will admit, coming here tonight wasn't the easiest thing for me," Clinton said. "There have been a few times this past week where all I wanted to do was curl up with a good book and our dogs and never leave the house again."
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think anyone can know that. Any kind of surmising what would've happened had Sanders been the nominee would be based on so many unknowns, including how people weigh so many factors: party allegiances, media coverage, male-dominant politics and/or society, white-dominant politics and/or society, American-dominant society, change, corruption. In addition, it would be based on how willing people are to buy in with or without critical thought. What matters now is the populace's ability to re-seize power from the political or wealthy elite - what happened yesterday should just be lessons learnt of the dangers of complacency, blind allegiance, and a populace that doesn't feel empowered in what's known as a democratic society.
I agree with this. I don't know why so many people keep chanting "bernie would have won!". There is no way to know that. I don't think the US was ready for an admitted socialist either.
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think so. Bernie wouldn't have had to deal with the email issues, the bullshit Comey November surprise, etc. Plus....he wasn't a woman. Unfortunately our country is too backward to elect a woman....but it was fucking close.
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
I have to agree with Hugh here...it was inevitable to go red after 8 years of blue, but the surprise in all of that it was Trump and I may be in the minority but the word Socialism in any form would have prevented a Bernie win
That was my initial concern with Bernie. But I think Bernie would be (or would have been) able to confront the label and convince people that his policies would be better than Trump.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think so. Bernie wouldn't have had to deal with the email issues, the bullshit Comey November surprise, etc. Plus....he wasn't a woman. Unfortunately our country is too backward to elect a woman....but it was fucking close.
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
I have to agree with Hugh here...it was inevitable to go red after 8 years of blue, but the surprise in all of that it was Trump and I may be in the minority but the word Socialism in any form would have prevented a Bernie win
That was my initial concern with Bernie. But I think Bernie would be (or would have been) able to confront the label and convince people that his policies would be better than Trump.
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2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
It's not possible to attribute Clinton's loss or Trump's win to one factor, and trying to blame each other is part of the exact divisive rhetoric that I think (or at least hope) that we're all against. Not to be a walking cliche, but can't we just try to discuss and debate reasonably without resorting to insulting each other? Wouldn't that be more productive, and aren't we all interested in promoting productivity for the country and the world at large?
I am all for reasoned debate. Yet some people here continued to go after Bernie supporters for MONTHS. Turns out that they were wrong.
And they're still rooting for their weak Candidate that lost.
Meanwhile, it's because of the Democratic Party we have President Trump.
You think the democratic party would have won with bernie? I don't know about that. you don't think the country just wanted to swing back red like it usually does after 8 years of blue?
I don't think so. Bernie wouldn't have had to deal with the email issues, the bullshit Comey November surprise, etc. Plus....he wasn't a woman. Unfortunately our country is too backward to elect a woman....but it was fucking close.
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
I have to agree with Hugh here...it was inevitable to go red after 8 years of blue, but the surprise in all of that it was Trump and I may be in the minority but the word Socialism in any form would have prevented a Bernie win
That was my initial concern with Bernie. But I think Bernie would be (or would have been) able to confront the label and convince people that his policies would be better than Trump.
I believe this too.
Agreed. He would have competed for every last vote from workers and students in Wisconsin and Michigan. It isn't a guarantee he would have won but the map was unlikely to look like it does with him in the race.
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The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
1,341,642 more votes for Clinton than Trump as of this writing.
It wasn't a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Donald Trump. It was an almost unimaginably mismanaged Clinton campaign that gave us Donald Trump.
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
exactly what I've been saying since this came up. michael moore would be singing its praises, or just keeping his mouth shut, had Hillary won the EC and lost the popular. And Trump would be reiterating his stance from 2012, that the EC is a disaster for democracy. and his supporters would be saying the same, just as hillary's are now.
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Is this better? Same figures
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
This was a change election and even though Bernie was running as a Dem he was going to be "change."
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
www.headstonesband.com
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I believe this too.
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1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Votes against Hilliary, not for Trump, not to mention the pissed off Bernie supporters that voted Trump.
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
51% republicans voted against Hilliary vs 41% democrats voted against Trump
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
It wasn't a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Donald Trump. It was an almost unimaginably mismanaged Clinton campaign that gave us Donald Trump.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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Pre election the trump thread was buzzing
Post election the Hilliary thread is buzzing