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    From some of the women who had contact. Period. Contact with who? ET? And who are these women? "We know from some of these women." What women? Was bill ever charged with rape? Criminally charged? Why not? Because he had the ring. Now Hillary has it.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    Free said:

    And to add onto that thought:

    Young people don't love being ignored, mocked, and lied to


    On the afternoon of September 19, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at Temple University in Philadelphia. This millennial-centered speech will be her only campaign appearance until the first presidential debate on September 26. Much like every other interaction with young people during her 2016 presidential campaign, it bombed miserably.

    In the scripted speech, she managed to say the phrase “income inequality” only once. Clinton also managed to avoid addressing the question of third party candidates, who many millennials support over her. Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn’t Donald Trump.

    To further bolster her youth-cred, Clinton spoke about her decision to work for the Children’s Defense Fund instead of a big law firm, but in reality Clinton did not stay there long. According to Kathleen Geier in an essay featured in “False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton”, Clinton left the Children’s Defense Fund less than a year later to work for Rose Law Firm, which boasted wealthy clientele such as Wal-Mart and Monsanto. “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,” writes Geier. Clinton even had the audacity to call herself an “activist” as first lady, after she served on the board of Wal-Mart for six years prior to Bill Clinton assuming office.

    The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best, perhaps because like every other time Clinton has spoken directly to millennials, she addresses them as children instead of people who can think for themselves. At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people. “I believe it is time we get back to teaching discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality,” she said. “The biggest complaint that I hear from employers is that young people who show up for jobs don’t have those habits. They don’t get there on time. They don’t know how to conduct themselves appropriately.”

    During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.

    At a January presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    Millennials believed the “lies” Sanders told about Clinton because they were true. Millennials don’t trust Clinton because she has repeatedly said one thing, and overtly done another. She claims to support campaign finance reform, yet has courted billionaires and millionaires from both political parties and managed to match Sanders in campaign contributions only through the use of SuperPACs.

    According to Vice News, through the end of July, Clinton has raised over $200 million from the top one percent of wealthiest Americans. After the Democratic National Convention, Clinton abandoned anything to do with Sanders’ policies, instead focusing on cultivating support from establishment Republicans, and billionaires including Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban. Now that her support has dropped in the polls following an embarrassing FBI report and Clinton Foundation pay-to-play schemes being exposed in emails, Clinton has resorted to pandering to millennials again. Too bad only 31 percent of them express support for her in recent polls, which is just a few points higher than for Trump. More than one third of millennials are expected to vote for either Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.


    Clinton uses Sanders as a lifeline when she becomes desperate for young voters. The Vermont senator’s recent call for millennials not to vote for a third party received more positive news coverage in the mainstream media than Sanders got throughout his entire presidential campaign. But millennials realize that Sanders’ rhetoric is relatively insincere, and is part of a broader pandering project from the Clinton campaign to gain their support.

    Clinton’s contemptuous attitude about millennials, and their responding disinterest in her presidency, has provoked annoyance from her supporters in the media. Mother Jones editor in chief Clara Jeffery responded to recent polls with “I never hated millennials more.” Meanwhile Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, in a poor attempt at damage control, wrote that resentment should instead be directed toward Sanders for his primary digs at Clinton. Somehow, nothing Hillary Clinton and her campaign did to alienate millennials could ever be her fault. There’s got to be some other reason for the widespread dislike American voters have for her candidacy.

    Gotta source for that diatribe? My god, the poor millenials? The tatted, pierced,boom boom stereo, glow light gaming look at me generation? The most comfortably lived in human history? Is going to change things up? And is pissed because granddad lost? Whaaaat? No free college?

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    Damn, you really hate everyone under the age of 35 don't you? Life for you is going to suck for the remainder, we are the largest age demographic in the nation and you won't be able to keep us all off your lawn!
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,942
    Free said:

    And the link was posted in the Trump thread. You can go find it.

    No. YOU go find it if you want a linked article to be treated as anything of value, instead of your own poorly written, clearly biased tabloidesque article. I'm saying this as a millennial with American blood, and would vote Clinton over anyone else running with no hesitation.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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    During an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer in September, Hillary Clinton was unable to name her "number one accomplishment" as Secretary of State.

    When she gave her answer, she turned to her tenure as the junior Senator from New York, saying:

    "As [a] senator working across the aisle on issues like getting better health care for our veterans. You know, this is just the silly season. I am looking forward to eventually debating on that stage whoever they finally nominate once they get around to doing that."

    What exactly were Hillary's accomplishments as a U.S. Senator?

    As reported by Washington Examiner, of the 713 pieces of legislation she sponsored or co-sponsored during her 8-year senate career, only three pieces of legislation that she sponsored became law.

    As documented by Congress.gov, these "monumental" laws were:

    S.3145 - A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway".
    S.3613 - A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".
    S.1241 - Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act
    Just to recap, these were bills that: renamed a highway after a journalist; re-designated a post office; and deemed a brick house in Troy, N.Y., as a national historic site to honor a 19th-century female union leader.

    In other words, they were laws passed to turn otherwise ordinary things - a highway, a post office, and a brick building - into something "historic." That's quite a message, coming from the Hillary Clinton campaign.
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    FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    benjs said:

    Free said:

    And the link was posted in the Trump thread. You can go find it.

    No. YOU go find it if you want a linked article to be treated as anything of value, instead of your own poorly written, clearly biased tabloidesque article. I'm saying this as a millennial with American blood, and would vote Clinton over anyone else running with no hesitation.
    Free said:

    I have no intention not do I have
    to answer a juvenile bully post. Posts like these where evidence is responded to with mocking, belittling, finger pointing and immaturity, while blanket statement name calling of an entire group of voters - because they wont vote for one's favorite candidate - say much more about the one saying it than anyone else.

    Not joining in on your stack party, either of you. I don't post tabloid garbage. Treat me civilly without name calling and I'll do the same to you. Have a nice day. It will be a beautiful Sunday.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Powell about Arkansas Bill: “still d–king bimbos at home"

    And assuming Powell somehow knows this (which he probably does not) why the fuck do you care? Does that hurt your marriage? Does it make your life more difficult? How is it your business? Oh yeah, it's not. It's just amazing how 'accountable' you believe you are holding Clinton without even trying to hold Trump accountable for Russia, his foundation, his bimbos, his stiffed contractors or anything.

    You must be a Trump supporter and that's fine. At least step up like BS, Godfather and others and say you're a Trump supporter.
    Hey mrussel1...please don't lump me in with JC. His (?) Hillary hatred is all seen through the prism of her support for Israel. What is going on here are the last thrashings of the BDS movement.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Today is the Lord's day, a day of forgiveness. Johnny Chung you are forgiven.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,702
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Powell about Arkansas Bill: “still d–king bimbos at home"

    And assuming Powell somehow knows this (which he probably does not) why the fuck do you care? Does that hurt your marriage? Does it make your life more difficult? How is it your business? Oh yeah, it's not. It's just amazing how 'accountable' you believe you are holding Clinton without even trying to hold Trump accountable for Russia, his foundation, his bimbos, his stiffed contractors or anything.

    You must be a Trump supporter and that's fine. At least step up like BS, Godfather and others and say you're a Trump supporter.
    Hey mrussel1...please don't lump me in with JC. His (?) Hillary hatred is all seen through the prism of her support for Israel. What is going on here are the last thrashings of the BDS movement.
    Sorry. No offence meant. Was really just saying at least be upfront with who you want to win.
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    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    And to add onto that thought:

    Young people don't love being ignored, mocked, and lied to


    On the afternoon of September 19, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at Temple University in Philadelphia. This millennial-centered speech will be her only campaign appearance until the first presidential debate on September 26. Much like every other interaction with young people during her 2016 presidential campaign, it bombed miserably.

    In the scripted speech, she managed to say the phrase “income inequality” only once. Clinton also managed to avoid addressing the question of third party candidates, who many millennials support over her. Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn’t Donald Trump.

    To further bolster her youth-cred, Clinton spoke about her decision to work for the Children’s Defense Fund instead of a big law firm, but in reality Clinton did not stay there long. According to Kathleen Geier in an essay featured in “False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton”, Clinton left the Children’s Defense Fund less than a year later to work for Rose Law Firm, which boasted wealthy clientele such as Wal-Mart and Monsanto. “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,” writes Geier. Clinton even had the audacity to call herself an “activist” as first lady, after she served on the board of Wal-Mart for six years prior to Bill Clinton assuming office.

    The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best, perhaps because like every other time Clinton has spoken directly to millennials, she addresses them as children instead of people who can think for themselves. At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people. “I believe it is time we get back to teaching discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality,” she said. “The biggest complaint that I hear from employers is that young people who show up for jobs don’t have those habits. They don’t get there on time. They don’t know how to conduct themselves appropriately.”

    During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.

    At a January presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    Millennials believed the “lies” Sanders told about Clinton because they were true. Millennials don’t trust Clinton because she has repeatedly said one thing, and overtly done another. She claims to support campaign finance reform, yet has courted billionaires and millionaires from both political parties and managed to match Sanders in campaign contributions only through the use of SuperPACs.

    According to Vice News, through the end of July, Clinton has raised over $200 million from the top one percent of wealthiest Americans. After the Democratic National Convention, Clinton abandoned anything to do with Sanders’ policies, instead focusing on cultivating support from establishment Republicans, and billionaires including Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban. Now that her support has dropped in the polls following an embarrassing FBI report and Clinton Foundation pay-to-play schemes being exposed in emails, Clinton has resorted to pandering to millennials again. Too bad only 31 percent of them express support for her in recent polls, which is just a few points higher than for Trump. More than one third of millennials are expected to vote for either Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.


    Clinton uses Sanders as a lifeline when she becomes desperate for young voters. The Vermont senator’s recent call for millennials not to vote for a third party received more positive news coverage in the mainstream media than Sanders got throughout his entire presidential campaign. But millennials realize that Sanders’ rhetoric is relatively insincere, and is part of a broader pandering project from the Clinton campaign to gain their support.

    Clinton’s contemptuous attitude about millennials, and their responding disinterest in her presidency, has provoked annoyance from her supporters in the media. Mother Jones editor in chief Clara Jeffery responded to recent polls with “I never hated millennials more.” Meanwhile Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, in a poor attempt at damage control, wrote that resentment should instead be directed toward Sanders for his primary digs at Clinton. Somehow, nothing Hillary Clinton and her campaign did to alienate millennials could ever be her fault. There’s got to be some other reason for the widespread dislike American voters have for her candidacy.

    Gotta source for that diatribe? My god, the poor millenials? The tatted, pierced,boom boom stereo, glow light gaming look at me generation? The most comfortably lived in human history? Is going to change things up? And is pissed because granddad lost? Whaaaat? No free college?

    Is Mars ready for habitation yet?
    Damn, you really hate everyone under the age of 35 don't you? Life for you is going to suck for the remainder, we are the largest age demographic in the nation and you won't be able to keep us all off your lawn!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,942
    edited September 2016
    Free said:

    benjs said:

    Free said:

    And the link was posted in the Trump thread. You can go find it.

    No. YOU go find it if you want a linked article to be treated as anything of value, instead of your own poorly written, clearly biased tabloidesque article. I'm saying this as a millennial with American blood, and would vote Clinton over anyone else running with no hesitation.
    Free said:

    I have no intention not do I have
    to answer a juvenile bully post. Posts like these where evidence is responded to with mocking, belittling, finger pointing and immaturity, while blanket statement name calling of an entire group of voters - because they wont vote for one's favorite candidate - say much more about the one saying it than anyone else.

    Not joining in on your stack party, either of you. I don't post tabloid garbage. Treat me civilly without name calling and I'll do the same to you. Have a nice day. It will be a beautiful Sunday.
    I didn't call you anything - I said that the article is poorly written and biased to the point of tabloid journalism, and I stand by that. Some examples (that you probably won't read) below:

    (PS, here's the link for anyone who wants to follow along: http://observer.com/2016/09/scold-scare-insult-intimidate-clintons-millennial-outreach-flops/)

    P1: "it bombed miserably": embellished opinion

    P2: "Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn't Donald Trump": embellished, false opinion

    P3: "Youth-cred": colloquialism in a professional editorial

    P3: “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,”: If the Presidency is a job, the public is the voting committee on who gets it, then a campaign is a resume. Any resume I've ever heard of highlights relevant job experience, and omits less relevant or irrelevant job experience. She'd be an idiot to design this campaign differently.

    P4: "The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best,": the link for evidence to the lethargy is another Observer opinion piece entitled "Bill Clinton Bombs in His First Solo Speech in New Hampshire" - last time I checked, Bill and Hillary are two separate people

    P4: "At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people.": yes, and? The Union of Teachers refers to high school: i.e. under the age of voting, at the age of requiring mentorship. Why can she not say that strong mentorship, discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality is required of high school students, which will lead to the same characteristics in young adults?

    P5: "During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.": no links whatsoever to support this from the article.

    P6: [On the topic of a millennial perception of dishonety] "She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.": this is really an unfair summary of what she said, which reads as follows: “If you’re new to politics, if it’s the first time you’ve really paid attention, you go ‘oh my gosh, look at all of this’ and say, ‘why are they throwing all of that at her’?,” the former first lady responded. “I’ll tell you why — because I’ve been on the front lines of change and progress since I was your age. I’ve been fighting for kids and women and the people left out and left behind to help them make the most of their lives.”

    Clinton also said that she’s happy to see young people engaged on the Democratic side no matter who they’re supporting.

    “I’m totally happy to see young people involved in any way,” the former secretary of State said. “That’s what we want — a good primary to pick a nominee and then everybody to join together to make sure we win.”


    To me, that's very different than "a symptom of their cluelessness".

    P7: [On the topic of not apologizing for using the term super-predator] "She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.": Watch the video. It's not anger, it's Clinton with an agenda that she wished to adhere to. Had the young woman who interrupted Clinton done so with an ounce of respect or decorum, maybe she would have received an answer instead of an escort out of the building.

    EVERY PARAGRAPH: The word "Clinton" hyperlinks to yet another condescending Observer article, with headlines including the following: "The Countless Crimes of Hillary Clinton: Special Prosecutor Needed Now", "Corruption Conviction of Clinton Crony Foreshadows Hillary Legal Struggles", "Corruption Is Catching Up to the Clintons and Their Associates". Of the articles which I read, they were either unsubstantiated or a total headache to go down the rabbit hole and read a link to a link to a link to get to the final unsubstantiated evidence. This is far from journalistic integrity - it's a ploy to get dull or attention-deficit minds believing what they would like to share. Since you seem so dead-set against undue thought control and obfuscations with that intention, I would hope you see some of the tremendous issues with this kind of journalism as I do - regardless of your opinion of Clinton.

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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    And to add onto that thought:

    Young people don't love being ignored, mocked, and lied to


    On the afternoon of September 19, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at Temple University in Philadelphia. This millennial-centered speech will be her only campaign appearance until the first presidential debate on September 26. Much like every other interaction with young people during her 2016 presidential campaign, it bombed miserably.

    In the scripted speech, she managed to say the phrase “income inequality” only once. Clinton also managed to avoid addressing the question of third party candidates, who many millennials support over her. Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn’t Donald Trump.

    To further bolster her youth-cred, Clinton spoke about her decision to work for the Children’s Defense Fund instead of a big law firm, but in reality Clinton did not stay there long. According to Kathleen Geier in an essay featured in “False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton”, Clinton left the Children’s Defense Fund less than a year later to work for Rose Law Firm, which boasted wealthy clientele such as Wal-Mart and Monsanto. “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,” writes Geier. Clinton even had the audacity to call herself an “activist” as first lady, after she served on the board of Wal-Mart for six years prior to Bill Clinton assuming office.

    The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best, perhaps because like every other time Clinton has spoken directly to millennials, she addresses them as children instead of people who can think for themselves. At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people. “I believe it is time we get back to teaching discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality,” she said. “The biggest complaint that I hear from employers is that young people who show up for jobs don’t have those habits. They don’t get there on time. They don’t know how to conduct themselves appropriately.”

    During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.

    At a January presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    Millennials believed the “lies” Sanders told about Clinton because they were true. Millennials don’t trust Clinton because she has repeatedly said one thing, and overtly done another. She claims to support campaign finance reform, yet has courted billionaires and millionaires from both political parties and managed to match Sanders in campaign contributions only through the use of SuperPACs.

    According to Vice News, through the end of July, Clinton has raised over $200 million from the top one percent of wealthiest Americans. After the Democratic National Convention, Clinton abandoned anything to do with Sanders’ policies, instead focusing on cultivating support from establishment Republicans, and billionaires including Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban. Now that her support has dropped in the polls following an embarrassing FBI report and Clinton Foundation pay-to-play schemes being exposed in emails, Clinton has resorted to pandering to millennials again. Too bad only 31 percent of them express support for her in recent polls, which is just a few points higher than for Trump. More than one third of millennials are expected to vote for either Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.


    Clinton uses Sanders as a lifeline when she becomes desperate for young voters. The Vermont senator’s recent call for millennials not to vote for a third party received more positive news coverage in the mainstream media than Sanders got throughout his entire presidential campaign. But millennials realize that Sanders’ rhetoric is relatively insincere, and is part of a broader pandering project from the Clinton campaign to gain their support.

    Clinton’s contemptuous attitude about millennials, and their responding disinterest in her presidency, has provoked annoyance from her supporters in the media. Mother Jones editor in chief Clara Jeffery responded to recent polls with “I never hated millennials more.” Meanwhile Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, in a poor attempt at damage control, wrote that resentment should instead be directed toward Sanders for his primary digs at Clinton. Somehow, nothing Hillary Clinton and her campaign did to alienate millennials could ever be her fault. There’s got to be some other reason for the widespread dislike American voters have for her candidacy.

    Gotta source for that diatribe? My god, the poor millenials? The tatted, pierced,boom boom stereo, glow light gaming look at me generation? The most comfortably lived in human history? Is going to change things up? And is pissed because granddad lost? Whaaaat? No free college?

    Is Mars ready for habitation yet?
    Damn, you really hate everyone under the age of 35 don't you? Life for you is going to suck for the remainder, we are the largest age demographic in the nation and you won't be able to keep us all off your lawn!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    If you're going to be on my lawn, the least you could do is put your phone down and rake some leaves.

    Hahaha why, so you can pay me a nickel and tell me that I'm damn lucky, in your day it was only worth a penny!
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,702
    Nicely done Benjs. You did what I haven't had the patience to do; dissecting the horrific writing that exists today. You're right on every point. The total misuse of adjectives, hyperbolic statements and false conclusions is as out of control on the left as it has been on the right for years. There are very few websites I can stomach to read these days.
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    FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    Benjs - fact: Hillary degrades young female voters who are supporters of Sanders.
    Fact: she laughs when Madeline Albright shame young women for not supporting Hillary. (see video I posted I believe in the trump thread)
    Fact: All of this:
    presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    I don't know what to tell you if you don't like these facts. But don't don't jump on my back because you don't like them. These things happened. The defensiveness for Clinton is unbelievable even when facts are right there in front of our faces.

    To add on: I know it was op Ed. It contained some factual moments when Clinton on camera degraded and put down millenials, esp. women, for supporting Sanders, they accuse her of accepting Big Oil money (she does) etc. We all know this, it's old news. So when Clinton suddenly recently is making pleas for the younger vote? Perhaps she has short-term memory loss.
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,840
    Free said:
    I thought that was funny. Was it not meant as a joke? Seemed like one.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,702
    eddiec said:

    Free said:
    I thought that was funny. Was it not meant as a joke? Seemed like one.
    It was a joke. That's why people laughed.
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    FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL3Bk4DJBd5auPG8M5l0BfysFl0bHJCM6T&v=RvJHXzBEWew

    This guy's opinion states the millennial problem with Hillary quite well.

    Just spit it out Hillary, tell us what your policies are, tell us what you're going to do for millennials.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    edited September 2016
    JC29856 said:

    Imagine the outrage if Jesse Jackson said in 08 there's a special place in hell for African Americans that don't vote Obama.
    That would have been racist but Albright isn't SEXIST.

    I don't find either of those comments offensive. Not sexist, not racist. They are just both dumb comments (one real, one hypothetical). Who cares? It's not like Hillary made that comment. Why do you think Albright's comment is even relevant to the conversation when the conversation isn't about Albright saying something silly?
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    rssesqrssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    Albright for Knesset 2018
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    What is Hilliary selling?

    “Hispanics are the most brand loyal consumers in the World: Known fact,” reads the email.

    But, “Once a brand loses this loyalty, Hispanics never re-engage: Unforgiving.”

    Source? Gotta link?
    It's from the DNC, not from Hillary or her campaign. And if you read the whole thing, there's zero nefarious about it.
    Nothing at all. From what I can tell, JC just gets offended by things that aren't offensive at all.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    eddiec said:

    Free said:
    I thought that was funny. Was it not meant as a joke? Seemed like one.
    Ooohh, okay. Silly me, when I read JC's post about how Albright said there is a special place in hell for women who don't vote for Hillary Clinton, I actually took his word for it. I'll never make that mistake again!
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The few the proud the Hilliary????


    “He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you. And I said, ‘Well I am 26, I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army.”

    –Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking at a breakfast, Manchester, N.H., Nov. 10, 2015
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:

    eddiec said:

    Free said:
    I thought that was funny. Was it not meant as a joke? Seemed like one.
    Ooohh, okay. Silly me, when I read JC's post about how Albright said there is a special place in hell for women who don't vote for Hillary Clinton, I actually took his word for it. I'll never make that mistake again!
    Yeah, it was a joke based on an old, well-known phrase.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    JC29856 said:

    The few the proud the Hilliary????


    “He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you. And I said, ‘Well I am 26, I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army.”

    –Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking at a breakfast, Manchester, N.H., Nov. 10, 2015

    :confused: What point are you trying to make?
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    Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited September 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    The few the proud the Hilliary????


    “He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you. And I said, ‘Well I am 26, I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army.”

    –Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking at a breakfast, Manchester, N.H., Nov. 10, 2015

    :confused: What point are you trying to make?
    Many of us were unaware of this comment. I'd say he's exposing us
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    edited September 2016
    tonifig8 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    The few the proud the Hilliary????


    “He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you. And I said, ‘Well I am 26, I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army.”

    –Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking at a breakfast, Manchester, N.H., Nov. 10, 2015

    :confused: What point are you trying to make?
    Many of us were unaware of this comment. I'd say he's exposing us
    Exposing who? The comment is completely irrelevant. Why was it chosen and posted? What horrible message has been read into it? There isn't even any context.
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    FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcO8ujQ5ig

    She "feels sorry for stupid young people..." 1:10 mark
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,661
    Free said:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcO8ujQ5ig

    She "feels sorry for stupid young people..." 1:10 mark

    Wtf are you talking about? Did you watch the video?
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    I'm absolutely baffled by the last couple pages of this thread. It's spun into complete stupidity.
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