Hillary won more votes for President

dignin

mrussel1 said:

Here is some fascinating statistics, published today by Politico. The punchline is that Trump would need to win 70% of white males in order to win the general election. But here's what's working against him:
- No GOP candidate in the last half century has won more than 63% of white males
- The turnout rate for white males is very high already, so not much 'enthusiasm' room to grow
- Trump's favorable/unfavorable for Hispanics is -50%. That's astoundingly bad. Experts predict he might get 15% of the Hispanic vote. Bush peaked at 35%. Everyone else on the GOP has been much lower. Estimates are that Hispanic turnout will be 15% greater in '16 than in '12. So Trump's problem is exasperated even vs. Romney.
- Asian-Americans are also similarly negative on him.
- Romney only won 5% of the black vote in 2012. Don't think for a second that Obama is not going to savage Trump in the run up to the election. There is no way he will get the 12% Bush got.
- Women are just as bad of a problem. Dems typically win 53% of the woman vote. He has to win 62% of all women + 70% of white men.

For you political wonks, it's a good read: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699?o=1

Woot!

Good find.

JC29856

Why does he need 70% white male?

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

Why does he need 70% white male?

Because the other demographic numbers are working to persistently against him. His negatives with minorities and women are very high. So his core constituency is white males.

JC29856

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

jeffbr

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

Completely agree. I'm not sure how we know that Obama prefers Bernie to Hillary. I know which one of the two Obama wanted in his cabinet.

JimmyV

Only way Obama gets involved in the primary before there is a nominee is as a peacemaker during a brokered convention. He will not endorse and he will avoid making any comment that can be twisted into an endorsement.

JC29856

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

You think obama thinks Bernie is just another bitch boy whore for Israel?
I think obama knows the deal with Israel but for self perseveration he watches his language and signs those yearly aid packages in secret.

JC29856

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

Completely agree. I'm not sure how we know that Obama prefers Bernie to Hillary. I know which one of the two Obama wanted in his cabinet.

You really think he wanted Hillary in his cabinet?

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

You think obama thinks Bernie is just another bitch boy whore for Israel?
I think obama knows the deal with Israel but for self perseveration he watches his language and signs those yearly aid packages in secret.

This comes off as unhinged. Hillary supports a two state solution, as do Obama and Sanders. They all supported the Iran deal. Where do yo see daylight between Obama and Hillary on the issue?

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

Completely agree. I'm not sure how we know that Obama prefers Bernie to Hillary. I know which one of the two Obama wanted in his cabinet.

You really think he wanted Hillary in his cabinet?

It was likely an agreement that they made during the campaign for her to exit and allow Obama to pivot. He could have pushed her out and won the election so he didn't need to offer, what is essentially the most important executive appointment.

When she exited, the popular vote was close but the delegate math was almost insurmountable. Incidentally, Hillary has a bigger lead in both delegate and raw votes than Obama did if I'm not mistaken.

JC29856

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Interesting...the GOP will derail or kill him.

The obama tidbit is interesting, I know no sitting president would involve themselves in a primary race but I think obama could hand Bernie the nom if he endorsed Sanders. Political death sentence but just saying. Obama is smart enough to know that Bernie would be much better for the country that Hillary.

Uh..what? Why do you think Obama knows that Bernie is better for the country than Hillary? I think you are coloring what Obama thinks with your personal feelings. But you're right that Obama will not weigh in on the nomination. It would be a massive break in decorum and highly inappropriate.

You think obama thinks Bernie is just another bitch boy whore for Israel?
I think obama knows the deal with Israel but for self perseveration he watches his language and signs those yearly aid packages in secret.

This comes off as unhinged. Hillary supports a two state solution, as do Obama and Sanders. They all supported the Iran deal. Where do yo see daylight between Obama and Hillary on the issue?

Two state solution = delay real solution allow Israel with the full support of every branch of us government to continue to steal land murder and maim Palestinians and commit more war crimes

EdsonNascimento

Couldn't help thinking of her and all her psycophants last night at The Garden as The Who played Won't Get Fooled Again. Same as the old boss indeed.

JC29856

EdsonNascimento said:

Couldn't help thinking of her and all her psycophants last night at The Garden as The Who played Won't Get Fooled Again. Same as the old boss indeed.

BOOM goes the dynamite!

JC29856

Hillary Clinton says she's the "most transparent" public official of modern times, slamming critics of her email practices in a new interview.

JC29856

While she was Secretary of State from 2009–2013, Hillary R. Clinton was no angel, even though some worship her as a god. The reality is, she was a world arms dealer when she was in power. Using taxpayer money, she put weapons of war in the hands of the most dangerously motivated terror groups in the Middle East. In all, she was responsible for approving $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations. The governments of these 20 nations (where the American flag is often burned), had given $millions to the Clinton Foundation.
As International Business Times reports, “The State Department formally approved these arms sales even as many of the deals enhanced the military power of countries ruled by authoritarian regimes whose human rights abuses had been criticized by the department. Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar all donated to the Clinton Foundation and also gained State Department clearance to buy caches of American-made weapons even as the department singled them out for a range of alleged ills, from corruption to restrictions on civil liberties to violent crackdowns against political opponents.”

Free

JC29856 said:

Hillary Clinton says she's the "most transparent" public official of modern times, slamming critics of her email practices in a new interview.

eddiec

JC29856 said:

Hillary Clinton says she's the "most transparent" public official of modern times, slamming critics of her email practices in a new interview.

You kind of have to agree with her. The GOP has spent over 4 years attempting to bring her down. They have looked into every single detail of her life and made it public. They have run a media campaign of lies so fierce that every Republican hears her name and throws up in their mouth. There is nothing about Hillary that we don't know. So yeah, I'd say she is the most transparent.

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

While she was Secretary of State from 2009–2013, Hillary R. Clinton was no angel, even though some worship her as a god. The reality is, she was a world arms dealer when she was in power. Using taxpayer money, she put weapons of war in the hands of the most dangerously motivated terror groups in the Middle East. In all, she was responsible for approving $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations. The governments of these 20 nations (where the American flag is often burned), had given $millions to the Clinton Foundation.
As International Business Times reports, “The State Department formally approved these arms sales even as many of the deals enhanced the military power of countries ruled by authoritarian regimes whose human rights abuses had been criticized by the department. Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar all donated to the Clinton Foundation and also gained State Department clearance to buy caches of American-made weapons even as the department singled them out for a range of alleged ills, from corruption to restrictions on civil liberties to violent crackdowns against political opponents.”

You forgot to include the next paragraph from the article:

Taking taxpayer dollars to run guns to the Middle East isn’t the only way Hillary raises money for her foundation and campaign for power. She also accepted a $20 million endorsement from Planned Parenthood, an organization that should be funding women’s reproductive health, as they advertise. Instead, the anti-choice Planned Parenthood takes $20 million from taxpayers to send to Hillary in hopes of getting her elected. After all, Clinton is their number one spokesperson, advocating for increased Planned Parenthood taxpayer funding! If Planned Parenthood was truly an unbiased, pro-choice, women’s healthcare organization, then women would have the option to give birth there, and not just be coerced into life terminating surgeries.


So thanks for quoting a crazy conspiracy author/website. But the real issue is that they are conflating two things together that are likely unrelated. Did the State Dept authorize the weapon sale? Probably. But two things also matter: 1. So did Kerry's state Dept along with State chiefs prior and 2. The DOD also has to sign off. That means Chuck Hagel, as an example. In fact, several of those countries that were quoted in the article had the major sales begin under Kerry, not Clinton. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/world/middleeast/us-selling-arms-to-israel-saudi-arabia-and-emirates.html

And here are all the countries that both the US and Russia sell weapons to.. Do you think that US began selling weapons in the Middle East during Obama's first term? That's when it started?


This was from Business Insider, published from 2014. So it's not like Clinton struck these deals to fund the Clinton Foundation. That is outright misrepresentation. Sales started before her, and continue today. And as I said above, the author that you quoted clearly has no concept of the checks and balances set up within the Executive Branch. As if Clinton could just start selling arms without the DOD or POTUS approving.

Free

eddiec said:

JC29856 said:

Hillary Clinton says she's the "most transparent" public official of modern times, slamming critics of her email practices in a new interview.

You kind of have to agree with her. The GOP has spent over 4 years attempting to bring her down. They have looked into every single detail of her life and made it public. They have run a media campaign of lies so fierce that every Republican hears her name and throws up in their mouth. There is nothing about Hillary that we don't know. So yeah, I'd say she is the most transparent.

I don't know if she's the most transparent, that's not really the word I would use especially with the transcripts we are waiting for. But her skeletons have all been revealed It seems...

I haven't seen anyone post about this though. http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/