Gimme,I disagree. I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations. I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.
Godfather.
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?
the only source any of us have.......the news.
Godfather.
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.
where does your info come from ?
Godfather.
Not sure if this was a serious question, but I'll answer it anyway.
I don't watch any tv news, mostly because I don't watch any tv. I read a local daily newspaper in print, and parts of several other online newspapers daily, depending on time availability. One or two of them are American, but others are Canadian and I also make sure to read various European sites to get a more balanced view. For things that particularly interest me I read longer form articles. Because I work in mental health, I've read quite a bit about how our brains work, including some of the original research on how cognition and behaviour is affected by stressful situations such as you'd encounter during torture. What I've read has convinced me of my conclusion in the earlier post, which is that torture produces unreliable information and actually interferes with the process of getting useful and valid information.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Gimme,I disagree. I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations. I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.
Godfather.
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?
the only source any of us have.......the news.
Godfather.
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.
where does your info come from ?
Godfather.
News, science, logic and an educated mind. Where does yours come from?
Sorry, but your belief that people who get C-sections for non-medicinal purposes are idiots stipulates that you are not of an educated mind.
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Gimme,I disagree. I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations. I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.
Godfather.
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?
the only source any of us have.......the news.
Godfather.
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.
where does your info come from ?
Godfather.
News, science, logic and an educated mind. Where does yours come from?
Sorry, but your belief that people who get C-sections for non-medicinal purposes are idiots stipulates that you are not of an educated mind.
This is a long way from thread integrity.
Perhaps you should give yourself the finger waving guy.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
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I have no idea what's going on right now! Posts: 4,957
Gimme,I disagree. I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations. I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.
Godfather.
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?
the only source any of us have.......the news.
Godfather.
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.
where does your info come from ?
Godfather.
News, science, logic and an educated mind. Where does yours come from?
Sorry, but your belief that people who get C-sections for non-medicinal purposes are idiots stipulates that you are not of an educated mind.
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This thread is becoming aother time bomb. A bomb about the size of a single cap in a cap gun.
Pop!
And maybe a little random shrapnel from neighboring threads.
Zing!
And mix in a few frayed nerves.
Snap!
OK, everybody into the lounge car!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Gimme,I disagree. I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations. I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.
Godfather.
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?
the only source any of us have.......the news.
Godfather.
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.
where does your info come from ?
Godfather.
Not sure if this was a serious question, but I'll answer it anyway.
I don't watch any tv news, mostly because I don't watch any tv. I read a local daily newspaper in print, and parts of several other online newspapers daily, depending on time availability. One or two of them are American, but others are Canadian and I also make sure to read various European sites to get a more balanced view. For things that particularly interest me I read longer form articles. Because I work in mental health, I've read quite a bit about how our brains work, including some of the original research on how cognition and behaviour is affected by stressful situations such as you'd encounter during torture. What I've read has convinced me of my conclusion in the earlier post, which is that torture produces unreliable information and actually interferes with the process of getting useful and valid information.
awesome answer, you work in the mental health field ?......you and I will never have a beer and a sit down HAHHAHHAHHHAHAH !!!! but, really cool job !, I have read lots of stuff on how the brain works just out of curiosity and it seems for a small part the brain and how works is some theory and fact as well, but back to the question, yes it was a serious question and I read different articles as well and then base my own opinion...not the always popular opinion LOL ! and sometimes depending on the topic it's mostly bit's and pieces of several news articles(that's as honest as I can be)
And again, when I raises the same concerns before the main stream media does, I'm a freak. But now that the rest of the world is sharing my views what I said two days ago is making a little more sense now right?
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
The extreme elements in America and beyond seem to be in full swing to try and discredit this kid and try and knock him down a peg or two. He seems to be a smart and strong kid so I'm sure he will rise above all the nonsense.
And thanks Hedo, Often, Whatyou for calling out one of our resident AMT members who post when they find time to come out from under their bridge.
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Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,125
And again, when I raises the same concerns before the main stream media does, I'm a freak. But now that the rest of the world is sharing my views what I said two days ago is making a little more sense now right?
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
......Making a little sense right now?.....what like giving the family a little torture to get some supposed Intel. Young lady I THINK you are smarter that.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And again, when I raises the same concerns before the main stream media does, I'm a freak. But now that the rest of the world is sharing my views what I said two days ago is making a little more sense now right?
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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I have no idea what's going on right now! Posts: 4,957
I don't know why I even bothered taking the time to read that "article". What nonsense garbage.
your opinion is your opinion, can you without any doubt disprove any of that article ?
Godfather.
Can you prove any of it? Nothing more than conjecture in large part.
hahha I was waiting for someone to past that comment, I posted the link the burden of proof is on you (as I back out slowly)
I'm willing to bet this horse and pony show about the poor kid and his "clock" gets better.....aaaaand I'm willing to bet daddy has a little to do with it, there, that's my conjecture can you prove me wrong LOL !!!
I don't know why I even bothered taking the time to read that "article". What nonsense garbage.
your opinion is your opinion, can you without any doubt disprove any of that article ?
Godfather.
Can you prove any of it? Nothing more than conjecture in large part.
hahha I was waiting for someone to past that comment, I posted the link the burden of proof is on you (as I back out slowly)
I'm willing to bet this horse and pony show about the poor kid and his "clock" gets better.....aaaaand I'm willing to bet daddy has a little to do with it, there, that's my conjecture can you prove me wrong LOL !!!
Godfather.
You posted this from the fair and balanced channel yet a few days ago I posted the same in this thread and MORE that this could be a fraud yet not a word from you then. Why is that?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I don't know why I even bothered taking the time to read that "article". What nonsense garbage.
your opinion is your opinion, can you without any doubt disprove any of that article ?
Godfather.
Can you prove any of it? Nothing more than conjecture in large part.
hahha I was waiting for someone to past that comment, I posted the link the burden of proof is on you (as I back out slowly)
I'm willing to bet this horse and pony show about the poor kid and his "clock" gets better.....aaaaand I'm willing to bet daddy has a little to do with it, there, that's my conjecture can you prove me wrong LOL !!!
Godfather.
No. Burden on you as the "prosecutor" putting forth these ideas. Otherwise its a troll posting.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I have no idea what's going on right now! Posts: 4,957
And again, when I raises the same concerns before the main stream media does, I'm a freak. But now that the rest of the world is sharing my views what I said two days ago is making a little more sense now right?
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
And again, when I raises the same concerns before the main stream media does, I'm a freak. But now that the rest of the world is sharing my views what I said two days ago is making a little more sense now right?
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
Thread's not about you (and pretty sure no one called you a freak. For the love of Pete (or god), PLEASE let this Eeyore aspect go. So much more fun and informative without, if you're open to it).
I know that perception plays a part - a huge part - but perhaps that actual gesture should be taken into account as well.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I don't watch any tv news, mostly because I don't watch any tv. I read a local daily newspaper in print, and parts of several other online newspapers daily, depending on time availability. One or two of them are American, but others are Canadian and I also make sure to read various European sites to get a more balanced view. For things that particularly interest me I read longer form articles. Because I work in mental health, I've read quite a bit about how our brains work, including some of the original research on how cognition and behaviour is affected by stressful situations such as you'd encounter during torture. What I've read has convinced me of my conclusion in the earlier post, which is that torture produces unreliable information and actually interferes with the process of getting useful and valid information.
but your belief that people who get C-sections for non-medicinal purposes are idiots stipulates that you are not of an educated mind.
And to what end? I hope not just for the sake of being an assho....oh wait.
Come the fuck on, man.
Perhaps you should give yourself the finger waving guy.
Pop!
And maybe a little random shrapnel from neighboring threads.
Zing!
And mix in a few frayed nerves.
Snap!
OK, everybody into the lounge car!
Godfather.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/22/clock-controversy-may-cause-headache-for-obama-as-doubts-raised-about-story/?intcmp=hplnws
Godfather.
Remember we're discussing this over how it looks, not the actual gesture.
And thanks Hedo, Often, Whatyou for calling out one of our resident AMT members who post when they find time to come out from under their bridge.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Godfather.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I'm willing to bet this horse and pony show about the poor kid and his "clock" gets better.....aaaaand I'm willing to bet daddy has a little to do with it, there, that's my conjecture can you prove me wrong LOL !!!
Godfather.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
A- a young kid threw together a clock using parts of an alarm clock to try and impress someone?
Or
B- It was a carefully planned hoax, aided by his father to draw up some kind of controversy?
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
I know that perception plays a part - a huge part - but perhaps that actual gesture should be taken into account as well.
And GF - facts, not speculation?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I can't just staple my computer to a wall and say "Hey, look at the computer I built!".