It seems there are separate views happening here - the tiny instances of "here you go, yay!" when they're little, vs projecting onto and indulging your child beyond that, and ultimately to their detriment.
Those in the latter camp aren't heartless assholes, by the way.
It seems there are separate views happening here - the tiny instances of "here you go, yay!" when they're little, vs projecting onto and indulging your child beyond that, and ultimately to their detriment.
Those in the latter camp aren't heartless assholes, by the way.
The classic character assassination to further promote your views.
When these ill prepared young people enter the work force or higher education institutions is where the problem reveals itself.It really isn't an issue giving a 5 year old a piece of plastic,who cares.I love the smiles and happiness.But as they grow if that same mentality is applied to sports,jobs,tests,etc it actually hurts them and skews their view on how things in the real world really are.
I can personally tell you as an employer I have interviewed many really sharp engaging young adults.But I also get a hell of a lot more that are fucking clueless.I put a lot of this on upbringing and common sense,or lack there of ,but it's true this younger group is coming from a new perspective.They want it all immediately.All while work ethics and self motivation are not quite up to par.But hey,they sure know how to work the shit out of smart phone.
Or you could tell them, be proud of your participation kids, because when kids become adults, participation in general plummets. I mean, half the country doesn't even vote.
I once got a token ribbon. I was in an equestrian competition and I was thrown over my horse's head, and ended up clinging to its neck and it wouldn't stop attempting the jumps. Finally I lost my grip and got stepped on. So after I got back on the horse and was allowed to finish the course. Of course I was dead last - it was a complete failure on my part. During the awards they gave me this fucking ribbon even though I came in dead last, and everyone applauded and babbled about how I was brave or some shit. They figured I should be awarded for the effort. And you know what? I'd never been so ashamed and humiliated about receiving a ribbon for what had just happened to me. I threw it out immediately. There is a photo of me holding it beside my sister, who got a blue 1st place ribbon for actually doing a good job and she looks all proud, while I look completely mortified by this stupid red ribbon. Giving me a prize for losing was pretty much the worst thing they could have done for my ego, and I was pissed off at all those adults for making a big deal of my failure.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
How old were you?
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or you took shit wayyyyyy to seriously as a kid
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
How old were you?
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or you took shit wayyyyyy to seriously as a kid
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I was 8 or 9. I don't think there way anything wrong with how I took it. It was a fairly major event and I was a little kid who took things the way I took them. Sorry that my childhood emotions and reaction don't seem reasonable to you. I know you would understand my emotions at the time if it had happened to you. I was presented this stupid token trophy for failure in front of a big crowd of people clapping, and I was furious.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
How old were you?
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or you took shit wayyyyyy to seriously as a kid
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I was 8 or 9. I don't think there way anything wrong with how I took it. It was a fairly major event and I was a little kid who took things the way I took them. Sorry that my childhood emotions and reaction don't seem reasonable to you. I know you would understand my emotions at the time if it had happened to you.
I mean, I am sure there were PLENTY of times that I got upset about losing when I was a little kid and I am sure if I was trampled by a horse at 9 in front of tons of people, it would be a pretty traumatic experience, but it seems kind of odd to remember back to the ribbon or whatever you got that day and take it that seriously.
Edit: I don't mean any disrespect by it, I just don't get why people give half a shit whether an 8 year old gets a trophy for completing a league or something. It stops at some point, as it should.
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
How old were you?
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or you took shit wayyyyyy to seriously as a kid
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I was 8 or 9. I don't think there way anything wrong with how I took it. It was a fairly major event and I was a little kid who took things the way I took them. Sorry that my childhood emotions and reaction don't seem reasonable to you. I know you would understand my emotions at the time if it had happened to you.
I mean, I am sure there were PLENTY of times that I got upset about losing when I was a little kid and I am sure if I was trampled by a horse at 9 in front of tons of people, it would be a pretty traumatic experience, but it seems kind of odd to remember back to the ribbon or whatever you got that day and take it that seriously.
Okay.... I don't think it's odd to have a memory. I remember finding it humiliating to be presented a failure ribbon like that because it was. It didn't help that my older sister stood next to me and got a real ribbon for winning. And now my experience related to this thread, in the context of it not being awesome to give kids prizes for failing. I really don't understand what you find weird here, but whatever. BTW, I was in equestrian. It wasn't traumatic to fall off a horse specifically. I did it all the time.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the point is that you attempted something most people couldn't do. Everyone was probably aware of how bad it went, but in hindsight, they realized and wanted to acknowledge the time and effort put into the all encompassing trip.
That's a nice way of looking at it, lol. Of course, I was doing something that I was perfectly competent at, which is why I was in a competition in the first place. I simply fucked it right up in front of hundreds of people. It's like running over and giving a trophy to a kid who just had an embarrassing fall off of the balance beam, or inexplicably ran headfirst into the goal post while trying to score, lol. Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough. I disagree.
How old were you?
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or you took shit wayyyyyy to seriously as a kid
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I was 8 or 9. I don't think there way anything wrong with how I took it. It was a fairly major event and I was a little kid who took things the way I took them. Sorry that my childhood emotions and reaction don't seem reasonable to you. I know you would understand my emotions at the time if it had happened to you.
I mean, I am sure there were PLENTY of times that I got upset about losing when I was a little kid and I am sure if I was trampled by a horse at 9 in front of tons of people, it would be a pretty traumatic experience, but it seems kind of odd to remember back to the ribbon or whatever you got that day and take it that seriously.
Okay.... I don't think it's odd to have a memory. I remember finding it humiliating to be presented a failure ribbon like that because it was. It didn't help that my older sister stood next to me and got a real ribbon for winning. And now my experience related to this thread, in the context of it not being awesome to give kids prizes for failing. I really don't understand what you find weird here, but whatever. BTW, I was in equestrian. It wasn't traumatic to fall off a horse specifically. I did it all the time.
I remember plenty of things, so no, it's definitely not odd to have a memory. In fact, most people who don't have Alzheimer's have a memory. I just don't get the whole "failing" thing. You are 9 years old for gods sake. Perhaps you should have been sent to your room? Maybe that would have been a more appropriate response for your "failing".
I get and love competition and I think it is great. I have played sports my entire life, got a free education and even made a little money playing semi-pro, so I clearly have a competitive instinct. I just don't think pressure of "winning" and "failing" should be put on 9 year old's. I was a terrible soccer player at 9 and ended up as a pretty competitive player at a decent level.
Not saying you have to coddle kids or anything like that, but I don't see a problem with a trophy or a ribbon for completing a season of something you barely know how to do.
Edit: And just to note, if I had to put an age on when you stop giving out things like that, it would probably be little league. I can just see it now. The losing 5 year olds playing tee ball get no ice cream
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
Is there any video footage of this equestrian incident? Because... sorry... I think the 10C community could get a bit of a chuckle and hey... everybody needs a chuckle now and then.
You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?
I don't know. It just seems like some well meaning adults saw that a 9 year old girl had a rough ride and was very disappointed and tried to lift her spirits, make her smile, and give encouragement.
the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.
The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
Oh my goodness. Kids feel competitive but good god, when a kid barely knows what they are doing, you really want to concentrate on Winning and losing?
If all people cared about was winning and losing when I was 9 playing soccer I most definitely would not have had a scholarship and been in the programs I was involved in. You're nuts thinking 9 year olds need to be whipped into shape.
All kids know who wins and who loses, but god damn at 9 I can't imagine how focusing on that is a good idea. Kids literally have no idea what they are doing.
how far did you get in your horse riding? Perhaps the reason I made it further in soccer than you didn't in jumping fences or whatever you did on horses is because all that mattered when you were a kid was winning and losing
Buck - your post is chalk full of right wing talking points...there is some irony to someone posting about collective thought and brainwashing by using words like 'pussification', 'entitled', 'free country' etc, and referencing the backlash against PC-ness we've witnessed since the confederate flag flap. Not saying that you are brainwashed but imho your choice of words are pretty much examples of the media-induced group think you're on about
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
Oh my goodness. Kids feel competitive but good god, when a kid barely knows what they are doing, you really want to concentrate on Winning and losing?
If all people cared about was winning and losing when I was 9 playing soccer I most definitely would not have had a scholarship and been in the programs I was involved in. You're nuts thinking 9 year olds need to be whipped into shape.
All kids know who wins and who loses, but god damn at 9 I can't imagine how focusing on that is a good idea. Kids literally have no idea what they are doing.
how far did you get in your horse riding? Perhaps the reason I made it further in soccer than you didn't in jumping fences or whatever you did on horses is because all that mattered when you were a kid was winning and losing
I was pretty good. "Barely knowing what I was doing" wasn't a factor in my story. And i have absolutely no idea where you got the idea that all i cared about was winning or losing in the sport. I never suggested that. I loved doing it. And i loved working to be good at it. Seems very healthy to me. But i was in a competition, so of COURSE I wanted to win rather than go flying off my horse. I really am not relating to what you're trying to say at all.
The only reason I didn't go really far was because my parents eventually ran out of money for it. But before then I trained privately with a two-time Olympian, among other things, so yeah, doing well was obviously a factor. Not that that has anything to do with my real point, actually. It feels like you are just trying to invalidate the emotions I felt as a kid in competition. I was a totally normal kid though, who cared about what I was doing, and loved it. I'm a little surprised you think there is something wrong with that. I also think you're way underestimating 9 year olds, both physically and mentally. The things you're saying seem more appropriate for 5 year olds.
And i should also mention, before you accuse my parents of being like these mental cases who freak out at little league games and push their kids too hard, my parents didn't push or pressure me in any way whatsoever. I was always allowed to pick what I wanted to do and reject what I didn't, and they never expected me to do something i didn't want to do. In fact, I wish my parents had pushed me a little harder than they did with a few things. Here and there I got kind of lazy with some stuff I think I should have stuck with longer (competitive swimming, piano, tennis), and i now regret dropping them. I kind of wish my parents hadn't been so easy going about me quitting things, lol. But to give them great credit, they also never acted like my failures (at anything - sports were by far the least important thing) were successes. They supported me through failure, but didn't reward me for it or shield me from it. Thank god.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
Is there any video footage of this equestrian incident? Because... sorry... I think the 10C community could get a bit of a chuckle and hey... everybody needs a chuckle now and then.
You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?
Haha! No video. I know there is actual 35 mm film with no sound of some of my riding, lol, but not of me falling. That wasn't even my most ebarrassing fall. One time I went under a low branch and my hair git tangled in it and I was dragged off the back if my horse by my hair and dangled there, bouncing up and down. So embarrassing!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
Is there any video footage of this equestrian incident? Because... sorry... I think the 10C community could get a bit of a chuckle and hey... everybody needs a chuckle now and then.
You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?
Haha! No video. I know there is actual 35 mm film with no sound of some of my riding, lol, but not of me falling. That wasn't even my most ebarrassing fall. One time I went under a low branch and my hair git tangled in it and I was dragged off the back if my horse by my hair and dangled there, bouncing up and down. So embarrassing!
the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.
The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.
It's a free country...you are free to say what you want and everyone else is free to challenge you on it.
See how that works?
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the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.
The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.
Find millennial's do just fine in my company. Well some do well and others not. Same as always. They all do well at picking up corporate back stabbing strategies. HA.
As to bucking being politically correct have at it. If you have to worry about offending maybe time to look at ones views.
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!
The obvious side effect is that you are ecouraging and empowering the
the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.
The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.
Find millennial's do just fine in my company. Well some do well and others not. Same as always. They all do well at picking up corporate back stabbing strategies. HA.
As to bucking being politically correct have at it. If you have to worry about offending maybe time to look at ones views.
I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive. Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations. There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?
We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play. Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.
I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive. Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations. There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?
We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play. Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.
I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive. Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations. There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?
We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play. Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.
I don't see it that way. It isn't about making people all the same, it's about being sensitive to what makes people different. I see the whining about PC as a rebellion against values a person doesn't agree with. Political correctness used to have a different name. It was called manners, being polite. Don't like that your neighbor is a drunk, your co-worker is gay, your cousin married a black man? Oh well, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
You think a man should stay a man and you don't want to change pronouns? That's your problem, MYOB and shut the fuck up. You don't like that minority and disenfranchised groups change how they want to be identified? You want to "save people's souls" with your judeomagical philosophy? Too bad, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
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Those in the latter camp aren't heartless assholes, by the way.
I can personally tell you as an employer I have interviewed many really sharp engaging young adults.But I also get a hell of a lot more that are fucking clueless.I put a lot of this on upbringing and common sense,or lack there of ,but it's true this younger group is coming from a new perspective.They want it all immediately.All while work ethics and self motivation are not quite up to par.But hey,they sure know how to work the shit out of smart phone.
Anyway, since we're dissecting the whole 'trophies to pander' thing, I thought the story meant something to the conversation (and still do), but somehow everyone thinks rewarding people for failure is okay.... at least if they fail spectacularly enough.
My assumption is A) you were too old to be given participation trophies or
The story that started this whole thing has to do with 6 and 8 year olds. We are not talking about teenagers.
I don't think there way anything wrong with how I took it. It was a fairly major event and I was a little kid who took things the way I took them. Sorry that my childhood emotions and reaction don't seem reasonable to you.
Edit: I don't mean any disrespect by it, I just don't get why people give half a shit whether an 8 year old gets a trophy for completing a league or something. It stops at some point, as it should.
BTW, I was in equestrian. It wasn't traumatic to fall off a horse specifically. I did it all the time.
I get and love competition and I think it is great. I have played sports my entire life, got a free education and even made a little money playing semi-pro, so I clearly have a competitive instinct. I just don't think pressure of "winning" and "failing" should be put on 9 year old's. I was a terrible soccer player at 9 and ended up as a pretty competitive player at a decent level.
Not saying you have to coddle kids or anything like that, but I don't see a problem with a trophy or a ribbon for completing a season of something you barely know how to do.
Edit: And just to note, if I had to put an age on when you stop giving out things like that, it would probably be little league. I can just see it now. The losing 5 year olds playing tee ball get no ice cream
You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?
The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.
If all people cared about was winning and losing when I was 9 playing soccer I most definitely would not have had a scholarship and been in the programs I was involved in. You're nuts thinking 9 year olds need to be whipped into shape.
All kids know who wins and who loses, but god damn at 9 I can't imagine how focusing on that is a good idea. Kids literally have no idea what they are doing.
how far did you get in your horse riding? Perhaps the reason I made it further in soccer than you didn't in jumping fences or whatever you did on horses is because all that mattered when you were a kid was winning and losing
And i have absolutely no idea where you got the idea that all i cared about was winning or losing in the sport. I never suggested that. I loved doing it. And i loved working to be good at it. Seems very healthy to me. But i was in a competition, so of COURSE I wanted to win rather than go flying off my horse. I really am not relating to what you're trying to say at all.
The only reason I didn't go really far was because my parents eventually ran out of money for it. But before then I trained privately with a two-time Olympian, among other things, so yeah, doing well was obviously a factor. Not that that has anything to do with my real point, actually. It feels like you are just trying to invalidate the emotions I felt as a kid in competition. I was a totally normal kid though, who cared about what I was doing, and loved it. I'm a little surprised you think there is something wrong with that. I also think you're way underestimating 9 year olds, both physically and mentally. The things you're saying seem more appropriate for 5 year olds.
And i should also mention, before you accuse my parents of being like these mental cases who freak out at little league games and push their kids too hard, my parents didn't push or pressure me in any way whatsoever. I was always allowed to pick what I wanted to do and reject what I didn't, and they never expected me to do something i didn't want to do. In fact, I wish my parents had pushed me a little harder than they did with a few things. Here and there I got kind of lazy with some stuff I think I should have stuck with longer (competitive swimming, piano, tennis), and i now regret dropping them. I kind of wish my parents hadn't been so easy going about me quitting things, lol. But to give them great credit, they also never acted like my failures (at anything - sports were by far the least important thing) were successes. They supported me through failure, but didn't reward me for it or shield me from it. Thank god.
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As to bucking being politically correct have at it. If you have to worry about offending maybe time to look at ones views.
Absolutely!
Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations.
There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?
We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play.
Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.
I see the whining about PC as a rebellion against values a person doesn't agree with.
Political correctness used to have a different name. It was called manners, being polite.
Don't like that your neighbor is a drunk, your co-worker is gay, your cousin married a black man? Oh well, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
You think a man should stay a man and you don't want to change pronouns? That's your problem, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
You don't like that minority and disenfranchised groups change how they want to be identified?
You want to "save people's souls" with your judeomagical philosophy?
Too bad, MYOB and shut the fuck up.