oh come on… She didn't show for the last game of the year. Was he supposed to go track her down to give it to her?
I'm sure he had her parents number to give them a call to come their trophy. Who knows they could've been on vacation.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
oh come on… She didn't show for the last game of the year. Was he supposed to go track her down to give it to her?
I'm sure he had her parents number to give them a call to come their trophy. Who knows they could've been on vacation.
Peace
...or whatever.....ya, I see the irony. just....ack. nevermind I really don't care about this topic, I don't know why I'm doing this to myself haha
Yeah this whole subject matter is all over sports talk radio down here in S Florida. It's getting crazy the more I think about it this is just getting overblown. I think it's more important that parents like myself give their time and their attention to their children rather than the passing out of trophies and the size of said trophies.
I know I put my time, energy and attention to my one child since the day she came home from the hospital.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
I want to add that people underestimate resiliency - and that while there appears to be a trend with the current youth generation of ultra PC-ness and drastic measures taken to avoid hurting feelings of others, I can't say that little Timmy getting participation trophies in t-ball means that he'll grow up in some negative fashion. There's a lot of life to live after those formative elementary school years and lots of time and space to influence a person. I think that a person's parents really do quite a bit of the dictating to be honest. I'm biased. I was a therapist and social worker in the peds/elementary age group for a long time and outcomes for mental health and overall health were heavily influenced by Mom and Dad. Resiliency is the x-factor though. Just because....doesn't mean....
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
Seeing it everywhere.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
Seeing it everywhere.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
A good recent article from the NY Times that touches on a lot of this.
I think this issue is the exact opposite of participation trophies though. I see this as overbearing parents who aren't coddling and are not giving support, "awards" or praise for anything less than perfect/winning.
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
Seeing it everywhere.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
Oh, for sure! I can't believe some university students and parents! Moms and dads calling around trying to talk to anyone who will listen to them, trying to convince us that their kid deserves special treatment. Their 21 year old kid, lol. And students getting super angry and offended when they are simply told they are subject to the rules and policies of the university like everyone else. Oh my god. They are absolutely SHOCKED that they can't charm their way into getting the rules changed for them. They get angry, or cry right in your office. They will do things like simply not go to their final exam because they had a concert to attend. Then they waltz in 3 days later expecting to be able to write the exam, no questions asked, lol. When they are told no they throw a tantrum. It's pretty disgusting. I actually once had a student threaten to sue me because he wasn't allowed to write an exam that he missed for no good reason.
This also reminds me of what someone I know who works in the corporate world said. Apparently, some millenials who are now starting their careers sometimes bring their mommies to the office on their first day of work, so they can help decorate their cubicle, lol, and they'll swing by and bring them food and shit on a regular basis. It's just embarrassing. Not sure what the deal is with that generation of parents, who are largely the cause of all this. I guess these are the ones who were teenagers in the late 70s and the 80s? Wtf happened to make them parent like that??
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
Seeing it everywhere.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
A good recent article from the NY Times that touches on a lot of this.
I think this issue is the exact opposite of participation trophies though. I see this as overbearing parents who aren't coddling and are not giving support, "awards" or praise for anything less than perfect/winning.
I tend to think of it as very relevant.
To some degree, I see these types of things as parents trying to drag the bar down to a level that their kid can get over with ease and very little difficulty or challenge.
Again, the team experience is about selflessness. Call me obtuse, but a year end banquet where all celebrate the season with no 'individual' awards- including MVP or Most Improved Player- is most appropriate and in line with minor sport philosophy.
Too many parents ask, "How'd you play?" before they ask, "How'd the team do?" Too many parents would prefer their kid to score a goal and their team lose than vice versa. Too many parents do not see the team experience being very valuable if their kid is not the starting pitcher, quarterback, point guard, captain, or any other prominent role: for many, it's all about playing time and what can the team do for you versus what can you do for the team.
As such, we have very few Jordan Spieths in our world of sport and too many selfish "Look at me" athletes in our sport.
The participation trophies, in my mind, are a subtle reflection of the selfishness that has permeated minor sport. The experience needs to be the big ticket item here- not some cheap trophy that provides 20 minutes of satisfaction only to collect dust for a decade until it is thrown out.
Damaging? No. But it's a great example of coddling. Not wanting children to experience disappointment and hurt feelings and adults doing their part to shield them from those emotions COULD play out negatively later on down the line. We're already seeing it in higher education.
Seeing it everywhere.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
Oh, for sure! I can't believe some university students and parents! Moms and dads calling around trying to talk to anyone who will listen to them, trying to convince us that their kid deserves special treatment. Their 21 year old kid, lol. And students getting super angry and offended when they are simply told they are subject to the rules and policies of the university like everyone else. Oh my god. They are absolutely SHOCKED that they can't charm their way into getting the rules changed for them. They get angry, or cry right in your office. They will do things like simply not go to their final exam because they had a concert to attend. Then they waltz in 3 days later expecting to be able to write the exam, no questions asked, lol. When they are told no they throw a tantrum. It's pretty disgusting. I actually once had a student threaten to sue me because he wasn't allowed to write an exam that he missed for no good reason.
This also reminds me of what someone I know who works in the corporate world said. Apparently, some millenials who are now starting their careers sometimes bring their mommies to the office on their first day of work, so they can help decorate their cubicle, lol, and they'll swing by and bring them food and shit on a regular basis. It's just embarrassing. Not sure what the deal is with that generation of parents, who are largely the cause of all this. I guess these are the ones who were teenagers in the late 70s and the 80s? Wtf happened to make them parent like that??
Hey now PJ,I'm a parent of the time and age you talk about and I can assure you my kids ain't getting anything delivered ,and them baby birds have to be able to flap their own wings or they going to fall out the nest.lol But I do see plenty of this though. While coaching when my son was in HS, One of my responsibilities was the recruiting liaison for our football team between college staffs and our players.During those for years,I saw players parents do soooo many unsavory things to get little jr noticed or into schools they have no business applying to.Everyone of them thinks their kid is not just special but worthy.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of parents that age who don't do that... and from that, of course there are students who don't pull any of this shit, and I am truly grateful to them. It's just a strong pattern. When me and my coworkers come into contact with a student who is actually self-sufficient and accepting of the rules, and is actually pleasant to deal with, we are all impressed enough to mention it to one another. That's pretty sad.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Oh, don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of parents that age who don't do that... and from that, of course there are students who don't pull any of this shit, and I am truly grateful to them. It's just a strong pattern. When me and my coworkers come into contact with a student who is actually self-sufficient and accepting of the rules, and is actually pleasant to deal with, we are all impressed enough to mention it to one another. That's pretty sad.
Yup.
It's like driving. I find myself waving at motorists that exercise proper driving habits. This is sad as well- the fact that we feel the need to acknowledge good behaviours and courtesy because it is so uncommonly practiced.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of parents that age who don't do that... and from that, of course there are students who don't pull any of this shit, and I am truly grateful to them. It's just a strong pattern. When me and my coworkers come into contact with a student who is actually self-sufficient and accepting of the rules, and is actually pleasant to deal with, we are all impressed enough to mention it to one another. That's pretty sad.
Yup.
It's like driving. I find myself waving at motorists that exercise proper driving habits. This is sad as well- the fact that we feel the need to acknowledge good behaviours and courtesy because it is so uncommonly practiced.
Right?! When someone who is ahead of me through a door and holds it for me, I feel like they just gave me free cash or something, lol! When that is simply the normal polite thing to do. Brutal.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Oh, don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of parents that age who don't do that... and from that, of course there are students who don't pull any of this shit, and I am truly grateful to them. It's just a strong pattern. When me and my coworkers come into contact with a student who is actually self-sufficient and accepting of the rules, and is actually pleasant to deal with, we are all impressed enough to mention it to one another. That's pretty sad.
Yup.
It's like driving. I find myself waving at motorists that exercise proper driving habits. This is sad as well- the fact that we feel the need to acknowledge good behaviours and courtesy because it is so uncommonly practiced.
Soooo....a wave is kinda like a participation trophy for adult drivers, right?
Oh, don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of parents that age who don't do that... and from that, of course there are students who don't pull any of this shit, and I am truly grateful to them. It's just a strong pattern. When me and my coworkers come into contact with a student who is actually self-sufficient and accepting of the rules, and is actually pleasant to deal with, we are all impressed enough to mention it to one another. That's pretty sad.
Yup.
It's like driving. I find myself waving at motorists that exercise proper driving habits. This is sad as well- the fact that we feel the need to acknowledge good behaviours and courtesy because it is so uncommonly practiced.
Soooo....a wave is kinda like a participation trophy for adult drivers, right?
hahahaha.
Me: "Everybody gets a wave today, folks."
Shitty Driver: "Even me?"
Me: "Yes. Even the shitty drivers."
Shitty Driver: "Yay!"
Me: (audible sigh) "Yes. You're a good driver. Even though you never signalled you were going to exit the highway while that driver was waiting for you- thinking you were continuing on the highway- there were some other things you did very well: you remembered to stop at that one red light... remember... eh... remember?"
Shitty Driver: "Yay! You're right. I'm a really good driver!"
It's funny, the "pussification" comments always come from the generation which lived in the most comfortable economic era the world has ever seen.
Its even funnier hearing from people on here that must have gotten many participation trophies..
I received participation trophies for my YMCA basketball when I was like 7 and ended up probably playing sports at a higher competitive level than anyone on these boards. Lot of good that did. Thanks, Obama.
It's funny, the "pussification" comments always come from the generation which lived in the most comfortable economic era the world has ever seen.
Its even funnier hearing from people on here that must have gotten many participation trophies..
I received participation trophies for my YMCA basketball when I was like 7 and ended up probably playing sports at a higher competitive level than anyone on these boards. Lot of good that did. Thanks, Obama.
What do they say about blind squirrels finding a acorn every once in awhile????
I know in baseball, the most desirable outcome is a tie so neither team is humiliated... (sounds like loser talk)... yet I cant think of many developed nations (if any) whose citizens have a stronger and more focused work ethic. Look at the Japan X voting (lol)
Anyways i don't think anyone here is saying that participation trophies *alone* are responsible for the downfall of western civilization.
what people are doing, is using them as symbolic representation of a perceived greater "culture of coddling" (which includes sheltering, helicopter parenting, etc). i can understand the argument there... however I feel that youth sports, while important, should not be taken that seriously.
that said, is the "culture of coddling" *alone* really leading to the downfall of western civilization either? probably not.
to go further, is western civilization really falling? or is it just changing... and offending older generations with its change? probably.
would i ever, in my adult life, have had a conversation about participation trophies if it hadn't been for this thread? nope.
It's funny, the "pussification" comments always come from the generation which lived in the most comfortable economic era the world has ever seen.
Think of this often. Just 200 years ago most of us wouldn't have made it to 20. Medicine, transportation, food, fraakin AC (for my southern friends). Just AC. be living next to thirty without it. We'd get along I'm sure.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
just....ack. nevermind
I know I put my time, energy and attention to my one child since the day she came home from the hospital.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Godfather.
Kids breaking down because they get 60% on a term paper in a university course (when really... they should have received 40%). Parents demanding to talk to the professors.
Even parents going into the workforce and 'setting the employer straight' for their kid who blew off several shifts for various reasons.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/education/edlife/stress-social-media-and-suicide-on-campus.html?_r=0
I think this issue is the exact opposite of participation trophies though. I see this as overbearing parents who aren't coddling and are not giving support, "awards" or praise for anything less than perfect/winning.
This also reminds me of what someone I know who works in the corporate world said. Apparently, some millenials who are now starting their careers sometimes bring their mommies to the office on their first day of work, so they can help decorate their cubicle, lol, and they'll swing by and bring them food and shit on a regular basis.
(the facepalm fella is perfect)
To some degree, I see these types of things as parents trying to drag the bar down to a level that their kid can get over with ease and very little difficulty or challenge.
Again, the team experience is about selflessness. Call me obtuse, but a year end banquet where all celebrate the season with no 'individual' awards- including MVP or Most Improved Player- is most appropriate and in line with minor sport philosophy.
Too many parents ask, "How'd you play?" before they ask, "How'd the team do?" Too many parents would prefer their kid to score a goal and their team lose than vice versa. Too many parents do not see the team experience being very valuable if their kid is not the starting pitcher, quarterback, point guard, captain, or any other prominent role: for many, it's all about playing time and what can the team do for you versus what can you do for the team.
As such, we have very few Jordan Spieths in our world of sport and too many selfish "Look at me" athletes in our sport.
The participation trophies, in my mind, are a subtle reflection of the selfishness that has permeated minor sport. The experience needs to be the big ticket item here- not some cheap trophy that provides 20 minutes of satisfaction only to collect dust for a decade until it is thrown out.
But I do see plenty of this though.
While coaching when my son was in HS, One of my responsibilities was the recruiting liaison for our football team between college staffs and our players.During those for years,I saw players parents do soooo many unsavory things to get little jr noticed or into schools they have no business applying to.Everyone of them thinks their kid is not just special but worthy.
It's like driving. I find myself waving at motorists that exercise proper driving habits. This is sad as well- the fact that we feel the need to acknowledge good behaviours and courtesy because it is so uncommonly practiced.
Me: "Everybody gets a wave today, folks."
Shitty Driver: "Even me?"
Me: "Yes. Even the shitty drivers."
Shitty Driver: "Yay!"
Me: (audible sigh) "Yes. You're a good driver. Even though you never signalled you were going to exit the highway while that driver was waiting for you- thinking you were continuing on the highway- there were some other things you did very well: you remembered to stop at that one red light... remember... eh... remember?"
Shitty Driver: "Yay! You're right. I'm a really good driver!"
I know in baseball, the most desirable outcome is a tie so neither team is humiliated... (sounds like loser talk)... yet I cant think of many developed nations (if any) whose citizens have a stronger and more focused work ethic. Look at the Japan X voting (lol)
Anyways
i don't think anyone here is saying that participation trophies *alone* are responsible for the downfall of western civilization.
what people are doing, is using them as symbolic representation of a perceived greater "culture of coddling" (which includes sheltering, helicopter parenting, etc). i can understand the argument there... however I feel that youth sports, while important, should not be taken that seriously.
that said, is the "culture of coddling" *alone* really leading to the downfall of western civilization either?
probably not.
to go further, is western civilization really falling? or is it just changing... and offending older generations with its change?
probably.
would i ever, in my adult life, have had a conversation about participation trophies if it hadn't been for this thread?
nope.