Trophies or awards just for participation and Is it damaging the youth of today?

PJ_Soul

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!

Oh my goodness. Kids feel competitive but good god, when a kid barely knows what they are doing, you really want to concentrate on Winning and losing?

If all people cared about was winning and losing when I was 9 playing soccer I most definitely would not have had a scholarship and been in the programs I was involved in. You're nuts thinking 9 year olds need to be whipped into shape.

All kids know who wins and who loses, but god damn at 9 I can't imagine how focusing on that is a good idea. Kids literally have no idea what they are doing.

how far did you get in your horse riding? Perhaps the reason I made it further in soccer than you didn't in jumping fences or whatever you did on horses is because all that mattered when you were a kid was winning and losing

I was pretty good. "Barely knowing what I was doing" wasn't a factor in my story.
And i have absolutely no idea where you got the idea that all i cared about was winning or losing in the sport. I never suggested that. I loved doing it. And i loved working to be good at it. Seems very healthy to me. But i was in a competition, so of COURSE I wanted to win rather than go flying off my horse. I really am not relating to what you're trying to say at all.

The only reason I didn't go really far was because my parents eventually ran out of money for it. But before then I trained privately with a two-time Olympian, among other things, so yeah, doing well was obviously a factor. Not that that has anything to do with my real point, actually. It feels like you are just trying to invalidate the emotions I felt as a kid in competition. I was a totally normal kid though, who cared about what I was doing, and loved it. I'm a little surprised you think there is something wrong with that. I also think you're way underestimating 9 year olds, both physically and mentally. The things you're saying seem more appropriate for 5 year olds.

And i should also mention, before you accuse my parents of being like these mental cases who freak out at little league games and push their kids too hard, my parents didn't push or pressure me in any way whatsoever. I was always allowed to pick what I wanted to do and reject what I didn't, and they never expected me to do something i didn't want to do. In fact, I wish my parents had pushed me a little harder than they did with a few things. Here and there I got kind of lazy with some stuff I think I should have stuck with longer (competitive swimming, piano, tennis), and i now regret dropping them. I kind of wish my parents hadn't been so easy going about me quitting things, lol. But to give them great credit, they also never acted like my failures (at anything - sports were by far the least important thing) were successes. They supported me through failure, but didn't reward me for it or shield me from it. Thank god.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!

Is there any video footage of this equestrian incident? Because... sorry... I think the 10C community could get a bit of a chuckle and hey... everybody needs a chuckle now and then.

You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?

Haha! No video. I know there is actual 35 mm film with no sound of some of my riding, lol, but not of me falling. That wasn't even my most ebarrassing fall. One time I went under a low branch and my hair git tangled in it and I was dragged off the back if my horse by my hair and dangled there, bouncing up and down. So embarrassing!

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!

Is there any video footage of this equestrian incident? Because... sorry... I think the 10C community could get a bit of a chuckle and hey... everybody needs a chuckle now and then.

You post a video of this incident and I'll post a video of me flying over my handlebars and breaking my nose. A freakin trophy coulda helped there. Where were the 'everybody's a winner today' crowd then?

Haha! No video. I know there is actual 35 mm film with no sound of some of my riding, lol, but not of me falling. That wasn't even my most ebarrassing fall. One time I went under a low branch and my hair git tangled in it and I was dragged off the back if my horse by my hair and dangled there, bouncing up and down. So embarrassing!

Now THIS we need video of!

Gern Blansten

buck502000 said:

the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.

The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.

It's a free country...you are free to say what you want and everyone else is free to challenge you on it.

See how that works?

dankind

callen

buck502000 said:

the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.

The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.

Find millennial's do just fine in my company. Well some do well and others not. Same as always. They all do well at picking up corporate back stabbing strategies. HA.

As to bucking being politically correct have at it. If you have to worry about offending maybe time to look at ones views.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was a 9 year old in a competition that I cared about, and I fucked up royally. Of course I was upset I failed and that all that attention was drawn to it, and it was also disgusted that they all acted happy and proud of me when I stank up the place in such a dramatic fashion. And I absolutely think that is a completely reasonable and appropriate attitude for a 9 year old to have about competition.... and I'm actually thinking that what you're saying is what I think the whole problem is. Little kids should learn the whole thing about failing and winning and totally should feel competitive, and the fact that they don't is what can help to make them entitled little shits when they hit adulthood. I think that when a kid totally sucks, they deserve a sympathetic pat on the back, a "nice try", and then they can get right into what they did wrong so that they can know how to improve for next time. I don't think they need a "that okay, winning doesn't matter!" ribbon. But hey, that's just IMHO, obviously!

The obvious side effect is that you are ecouraging and empowering the

callen said:

buck502000 said:

the millennials are having a very tough time in the workplace right now, "everyone's a winner!!!", so you can see what the everyone gets an award - I'm entitled mindset can do for a generation.

The word "pussification" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening in the good old USSA right now, everyone is "overly-sensitive", and I for one, am tired of walking around afraid of saying something that might offend someone. No more. I thought this was a free country? Collective mind-think and a controlled media have brainwashed too many people.

Find millennial's do just fine in my company. Well some do well and others not. Same as always. They all do well at picking up corporate back stabbing strategies. HA.

As to bucking being politically correct have at it. If you have to worry about offending maybe time to look at ones views.

:clap:

Absolutely!

rr165892

I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive.
Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations.
There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?

We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play.
Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.

hedonist

rr165892 said:

I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive.
Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations.
There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?

We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play.
Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.

gambs, I see your :clap: and raise you one on this post

rgambs

rr165892 said:

I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive.
Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations.
There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?

We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play.
Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.

I don't see it that way. It isn't about making people all the same, it's about being sensitive to what makes people different.
I see the whining about PC as a rebellion against values a person doesn't agree with.
Political correctness used to have a different name. It was called manners, being polite.
Don't like that your neighbor is a drunk, your co-worker is gay, your cousin married a black man? Oh well, MYOB and shut the fuck up.

You think a man should stay a man and you don't want to change pronouns? That's your problem, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
You don't like that minority and disenfranchised groups change how they want to be identified?
You want to "save people's souls" with your judeomagical philosophy?
Too bad, MYOB and shut the fuck up.

hedonist

There's a difference between awareness (plus basic common courtesy - should be a given, in my mind), vs. thin skins who can't deal with differing or opposing views. I won't tippy-toe around an issue because someone might be delicate or have other issues.

I don't have a problem with words spoken and thoughts thought that might be miles away from mine. Such is life - such is the beauty of life, and I tend to spout off on those I think are idiots or assholes.

I DO have a problem when others - anyone - attempt to squash another's freedom through their actions.

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

I don't know ,I think we definitely are way to PC on every issue and it's not just looking at ones personal views but how we as a society have become so soft when it comes to what's offensive.
Its like we are all different and yet all the same.Those differences are what we all seem to get worked up about and fragile feelings hurt or offended when they are brought up.But they are tangible and real and shouldn't be run away from.Its ok to have differences.And to differentiate in some situations.
There are a lot of double standards being thrown around now a days also.Im sure if you started a "White Lives Matter" movement you would be labelled a rascist.But coming the other way it's no big deal.When in fact it's just a myopic view that's selfish due to us all knowing "All and Every life matters".does it not?

We are all people regardless of color,race ,religion,sex etc.We all want to be treated equal and have equal rights and access to everything.But sometimes common sense comes into play.
Example men and women are all the same but,due to differences in our physical being we use separate restrooms.Common sense thinking based on differences right?So even though we are equal we are treated different.

I don't see it that way. It isn't about making people all the same, it's about being sensitive to what makes people different.
I see the whining about PC as a rebellion against values a person doesn't agree with.
Political correctness used to have a different name. It was called manners, being polite.
Don't like that your neighbor is a drunk, your co-worker is gay, your cousin married a black man? Oh well, MYOB and shut the fuck up.

You think a man should stay a man and you don't want to change pronouns? That's your problem, MYOB and shut the fuck up.
You don't like that minority and disenfranchised groups change how they want to be identified?
You want to "save people's souls" with your judeomagical philosophy?
Too bad, MYOB and shut the fuck up.

No,it's not a rebellion and it really isn't manners.I am a very polite respectful man.I am. Gentleman and a Mensch.But more important I have a sense of humor.I recognize what makes me different from the next guy and I'm aware of what connects us.And we all need to have some fun with it.(like the hipster thing we had fun with last year)
Of course there are things you don't joke about,but that's not manners that's just keeping things in good taste.
We all should be able to handle a little ball busting and be able to dish it a little as well.Any group or sect or whatever can do whatever on this green earth they want.Live and let live go enjoy life,just don't think you can A. Force your agenda or cause on others and B. Think you deserve better then someone else,And when you don't get it you throw a bitch fit..

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

MayDay10 said:

someone on ESPN mentioned "Senior Day". Typically a college team or high school team take their last home game and honor the Seniors. Even if they never won anything, and even if they do not see playing time. Is that the same thing and should it be frowned on by meatheads like James Harrison?

I think 'senior day' is a celebration. It reflects accomplishment: dedication to the sport and to a program.

Although kind of the same... it's a little different in my mind.

I think senior day is completely different. MOST of the seniors being recognized has put in 3 -4 years of work a dedication to whatever sport they are in. And it's not a participation trophy. It's simply getting g your name called out at some point in the game.

tempo_n_groove

When I was in track I got medals for placing or winning. One day one of the coaches went to get my 3rd place bronze medal and they didn't have it so they gave me a gold 1st place instead.

I hated that medal. I didn't earn it...

gimmesometruth27

when i was a small kid, like before age 12, we used to get participation trophies and the teams that won the league got a bigger one. i remember being embarrassed that we got this tiny, 6 inch tall trophy one year when we only won like 3 games. i wanted to just forget about that season but i was given a small, golden, plastic reminder of it.

i think giving trophies to kids below age 10 is fine. i have not read the sports psychology literature in several years. from what i remember in grad school, kids do not really care if they win or lose until age 9 or 10. their main motivation is to have fun. kids are not even cognitively capable of understanding positional play before age 9. this is why we have "beehive soccer" in young kids. they all chase the ball around like bees around a hive instead of playing a position anticipating a pass.