Cincinnati campus police shooting/killing during routine traffic stop off campus

WhatYouTaughtMe

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None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That's not my position. I thought the cop was handling it well and then just lost all sense of reason. Both people made awful choices that will cost them their life in different ways. As for tripping, I don't think that is the case. He didn't trip and accidentally pull his gun out and aim it at the guy's head. He panicked.

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WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That's not my position. I thought the cop was handling it well and then just lost all sense of reason. Both people made awful choices that will cost them their life in different ways. As for tripping, I don't think that is the case. He didn't trip and accidentally pull his gun out and aim it at the guy's head. He panicked.

That wasnt a slip or a trip? I thought it looked like he tripped over his feet as he was moving towards the front of the car.

WhatYouTaughtMe

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WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That's not my position. I thought the cop was handling it well and then just lost all sense of reason. Both people made awful choices that will cost them their life in different ways. As for tripping, I don't think that is the case. He didn't trip and accidentally pull his gun out and aim it at the guy's head. He panicked.

That wasnt a slip or a trip? I thought it looked like he tripped over his feet as he was moving towards the front of the car.

It looked to me like he stumbled after he fired the shot. He still had to pull the gun and bring it up to the guy's head.

rgambs

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WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That's not my position. I thought the cop was handling it well and then just lost all sense of reason. Both people made awful choices that will cost them their life in different ways. As for tripping, I don't think that is the case. He didn't trip and accidentally pull his gun out and aim it at the guy's head. He panicked.

That wasnt a slip or a trip? I thought it looked like he tripped over his feet as he was moving towards the front of the car.

The fact that it happened so fast you can't tell which happened first is evidence that he reacted to quickly with that amount of force.

g under p

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None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

g under p

Ok I was rereading the the text of the exchange between the former OC officer Tensing and DeBose. I don't know if any of you have been stopped by the police and not have your license on you. I have once by a state trooper and I can recall it was for speeding. He asked for my license and registration I gave him the registration but the license I couldn't find it. I told him I'm coming from my softball game and I think it's in my wallet in my game bag. I asked to check if it was there in my trunk he said yes. We went back there but it wasn't in there, I told him I must have left it at home, the trooper then asked me what was my name and date of birth I told him.

He ran my info and everything apparently came back clean. Amazingly, he let me go without a ticket I can't remember how fast I was going but I do know it wasn't excessive. Oh at the beginning of the stop I think he was impressed that I turned off the car and removed th keys from the ignition....I made sure he saw that as he stood there.

Yes my point here is it APPEARS Tensing almost assumed DeBose didn't have a license. He said, *you have a license on you* he didn't ask for *license and registration*. From there it's not too difficult if DeBose had a license on file and if it was revoked or not. Just the other month I went to the dmv to change the address on my license only to find out my license was suspended for a ticket I lost and for got to pay. I paid the ticket plus, fees to get it reinstated. I could've been stopped with that suspended license and I THINK one can be arrested on said license correct.....anybody know if that's true?

Peace

WhatYouTaughtMe

g under p said:

Ok I was rereading the the text of the exchange between the former OC officer Tensing and DeBose. I don't know if any of you have been stopped by the police and not have your license on you. I have once by a state trooper and I can recall it was for speeding. He asked for my license and registration I gave him the registration but the license I couldn't find it. I told him I'm coming from my softball game and I think it's in my wallet in my game bag. I asked to check if it was there in my trunk he said yes. We went back there but it wasn't in there, I told him I must have left it at home, the trooper then asked me what was my name and date of birth I told him.

He ran my info and everything apparently came back clean. Amazingly, he let me go without a ticket I can't remember how fast I was going but I do know it wasn't excessive. Oh at the beginning of the stop I think he was impressed that I turned off the car and removed th keys from the ignition....I made sure he saw that as he stood there.

Yes my point here is it APPEARS Tensing almost assumed DeBose didn't have a license. He said, *you have a license on you* he didn't ask for *license and registration*. From there it's not too difficult if DeBose had a license on file and if it was revoked or not. Just the other month I went to the dmv to change the address on my license only to find out my license was suspended for a ticket I lost and for got to pay. I paid the ticket plus, fees to get it reinstated. I could've been stopped with that suspended license and I THINK one can be arrested on said license correct.....anybody know if that's true?

Peace

Yes you can and most likely will be arrested if driving on a suspended license. If the cop is super cool, he will technically arrest you and release you on the spot if someone can pick you up. Happened to me once. Very similar situation.

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g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

Last-12-Exit

My only arrest was for a DUS.

dignin

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g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

The prosecutor thinks he did it out of anger. Drawing your gun and pointing it at someones head is not an accident. He may or may not have pulled the trigger on purpose, but he laid the groundwork for it to happen. I would hardly call that an accident.

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dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

The prosecutor thinks he did it out of anger. Drawing your gun and pointing it at someones head is not an accident. He may or may not have pulled the trigger on purpose, but he laid the groundwork for it to happen. I would hardly call that an accident.

What else would a prosecutor think?

rr165892

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

The prosecutor thinks he did it out of anger. Drawing your gun and pointing it at someones head is not an accident. He may or may not have pulled the trigger on purpose, but he laid the groundwork for it to happen. I would hardly call that an accident.

I'd call it piss poor police work,and at very least manslaughter.

dignin

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

The prosecutor thinks he did it out of anger. Drawing your gun and pointing it at someones head is not an accident. He may or may not have pulled the trigger on purpose, but he laid the groundwork for it to happen. I would hardly call that an accident.

I'd call it piss poor police work,and at very least manslaughter.

Exactly, accident doesn't really qualify.

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dignin said:

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

The prosecutor thinks he did it out of anger. Drawing your gun and pointing it at someones head is not an accident. He may or may not have pulled the trigger on purpose, but he laid the groundwork for it to happen. I would hardly call that an accident.

I'd call it piss poor police work,and at very least manslaughter.

Exactly, accident doesn't really qualify.

Well, yes, accident does qualify. And I didn't say shouldn't be charged. He should.

g under p

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

I was speaking of the comment that said the cop was racist and wanted to kill a black guy. I could be mistaken about what you said but I didn't think that needed to be said. Accidental shooting or not this former officer was very negligent and has to be prosecuted for at the very least manslaughter.

Peace

Last-12-Exit

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

That was an unnecessary comment. I'm not sure who here is saying he's a racist cop. Yes I do think this could be an accidental shooting, however it in no way excuse this killing whether the victim was some other race.

He knew had done an unnecessary shooting, that's why he went into the narrative of him being dragged at least 3-4 times to sort of cover his tracks or to make give the appearance this shooting was justified.

Note it does appear he shot the victim once in the head THEN fell backwards maybe due to his action of the shooting.

Peace

What is unnecessary? I mentioned it being accidental and the immediate reaction by someone was that I was making excuses. Nobody is talking about it. I think it was part of it.

I'm not believing that here are people here that doesn't think thisbisnt a racial issue.

I was speaking of the comment that said the cop was racist and wanted to kill a black guy. I could be mistaken about what you said but I didn't think that needed to be said. Accidental shooting or not this former officer was very negligent and has to be prosecuted for at the very least manslaughter.

Peace

And I agree with that.

PJ_Soul

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None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

I don't assume he's a racist, but even if he is, I don't think that has to do with why he used his gun the way he did. I think that is all about seriously misusing his firearm. It could have something to do with training, but that couldn't be all it is. Even someone with no training at all wouldn't normally murder someone so readily. So if I had to simply guess, my guess would be that the cop is either a gun-happy idiot or a person incapable of properly judging the severity of a threat, or maybe just a complete spaz who can't manage his own thought processes once he's under any kind of stress. In any of those cases, that's not the kind of person we want in a police uniform.
So some people think what? That he accidentally shot the man? The gun shouldn't have even been drawn and pointed at his head with his finger on the trigger in the first place.

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PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

I don't assume he's a racist, but even if he is, I don't think that has to do with why he used his gun the way he did. I think that is all about seriously misusing his firearm. It could have something to do with training, but that could be all it is. Even someone with no training at all wouldn't normally murder someone so readily. So if I had to simply guess, my guess would be that the cop is either a gun-happy idiot or a person incapable of properly judging the severity of a threat, or maybe just a complete spaz who can't manage his own thought processes once he's under any kind of stress. In any of those cases, that's not the kind of person we want in a police uniform.
So some people think what? That he accidentally shot the man? The gun shouldn't have even been drawn and pointed at his head with his finger on the trigger in the first place.

This is why I think it could have been an accident combined with poor training.

PJ_Soul

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PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

I don't assume he's a racist, but even if he is, I don't think that has to do with why he used his gun the way he did. I think that is all about seriously misusing his firearm. It could have something to do with training, but that could be all it is. Even someone with no training at all wouldn't normally murder someone so readily. So if I had to simply guess, my guess would be that the cop is either a gun-happy idiot or a person incapable of properly judging the severity of a threat, or maybe just a complete spaz who can't manage his own thought processes once he's under any kind of stress. In any of those cases, that's not the kind of person we want in a police uniform.
So some people think what? That he accidentally shot the man? The gun shouldn't have even been drawn and pointed at his head with his finger on the trigger in the first place.

This is why I think it could have been an accident combined with poor training.

But is it truly an accident if he drew his gun, had his finger on the trigger, and had it pointed at his head at close range, even if he did trip and squeeze the trigger? I don't think so. Any idiot with the most rudimentary gun education knows that you don't point a loaded weapon at someone's head, with the safety off, and your finger on the trigger, if you don't plan on killing them. And I think it's fair to assume that his training at least got him that far.

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

None of you think him tripping has anything to do with this? That cop was just a racist that wanted to kill a black guy?

I don't assume he's a racist, but even if he is, I don't think that has to do with why he used his gun the way he did. I think that is all about seriously misusing his firearm. It could have something to do with training, but that could be all it is. Even someone with no training at all wouldn't normally murder someone so readily. So if I had to simply guess, my guess would be that the cop is either a gun-happy idiot or a person incapable of properly judging the severity of a threat, or maybe just a complete spaz who can't manage his own thought processes once he's under any kind of stress. In any of those cases, that's not the kind of person we want in a police uniform.
So some people think what? That he accidentally shot the man? The gun shouldn't have even been drawn and pointed at his head with his finger on the trigger in the first place.

This is why I think it could have been an accident combined with poor training.

But is it truly an accident if he drew his gun, had his finger on the trigger, and had it pointed at his at close range, even if he did trip and squeeze the trigger? I don't think so. Any idiot with the most rudimentary gun education knows that you don't point a loaded weapon at someone's head, with the safety off, and your finger on the trigger, if you don't plan on killing them. And I think it's fair to assume that his training at least got him that far.

And the the "slip, or trip" combined with poor training, combined with not being able to assess a threat combined with the guy starting the car played a part in this tragedy.

Either way. The guy is and should rot in jail for a while.