Cincinnati campus police shooting/killing during routine traffic stop off campus

muskydan

Smellyman said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Once the suspect tried to close his door, he broke the law. When he tried to flee he placed the cops life in danger. The shooting is justified.

Glad we have visual proof, so the masses can't scream racism!

cops can't just open doors either.

Think again again smelly.

Last-12-Exit

muskydan said:

Smellyman said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Once the suspect tried to close his door, he broke the law. When he tried to flee he placed the cops life in danger. The shooting is justified.

Glad we have visual proof, so the masses can't scream racism!

cops can't just open doors either.

Think again again smelly.

Not without a warrant or a lawful request or probable cause, correct? None of which I saw this cop had.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Last-12-Exit said:

muskydan said:

Smellyman said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Once the suspect tried to close his door, he broke the law. When he tried to flee he placed the cops life in danger. The shooting is justified.

Glad we have visual proof, so the masses can't scream racism!

cops can't just open doors either.

Think again again smelly.

Not without a warrant or a lawful request or probable cause, correct? None of which I saw this cop had.

Probable cause?
The guy could not produce a drivers license, right?
Is that reason enough? Or not? I truly don't know.

Musky?

rgambs

Probable Cause, the police license to do as they please and sort it out later. Your word against theirs.

PJ_Soul

There is never a good excuse for a cop shooting an unarmed man in the head IMO. Fuck, a cop should get out of the situation and run away before he shoots an unarmed man in the head, if it comes to that (barring some very special circumstances). And it also sounds like the cop lied when he said what happened (some people seem to think that cops don't do this!).

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

There is never a good excuse for a cop shooting an unarmed man in the head IMO. Fuck, a cop should get out of the situation and run away before he shoots an unarmed man in the head, if it comes to that (barring some very special circumstances). And it also sounds like the cop lied when he said what happened (some people seem to think that cops don't do this!).

Who? I haven't seen that anywhere.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

There is never a good excuse for a cop shooting an unarmed man in the head IMO. Fuck, a cop should get out of the situation and run away before he shoots an unarmed man in the head, if it comes to that (barring some very special circumstances). And it also sounds like the cop lied when he said what happened (some people seem to think that cops don't do this!).

Who? I haven't seen that anywhere.

From what I have read ( the dust hasn't settled yet) he falsified his report.
In his official report he claimed he was dragged by the car, necessitating the shot which turned out to be fatal. The story was corroborated by another officer. The video seems to contradict that narrative.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

There is never a good excuse for a cop shooting an unarmed man in the head IMO. Fuck, a cop should get out of the situation and run away before he shoots an unarmed man in the head, if it comes to that (barring some very special circumstances). And it also sounds like the cop lied when he said what happened (some people seem to think that cops don't do this!).

Who? I haven't seen that anywhere.

From what I have read ( the dust hasn't settled yet) he falsified his report.
In his official report he claimed he was dragged by the car, necessitating the shot which turned out to be fatal. The story was corroborated by another officer. The video seems to contradict that narrative.

I was referring to this part.

Cliffy6745

muskydan said:

Smellyman said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Once the suspect tried to close his door, he broke the law. When he tried to flee he placed the cops life in danger. The shooting is justified.

Glad we have visual proof, so the masses can't scream racism!

cops can't just open doors either.

Think again again smelly.

You are fine with the cop blowing this dudes head off for him turning his car on?

Last-12-Exit

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Cliffy6745

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Sounds like an excuse to me. Fact of the matter is that he shot the guy in his head from point blank range

Cliffy6745

But that excuse worked for bob durst so who the fuck knows

Last-12-Exit

Cliffy6745 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Sounds like an excuse to me. Fact of the matter is that he shot the guy in his head from point blank range

Hmm. Ok.
So his impeccable training was just forgotten by his blind racism.

WhatYouTaughtMe

Last-12-Exit said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Sounds like an excuse to me. Fact of the matter is that he shot the guy in his head from point blank range

Hmm. Ok.
So his impeccable training was just forgotten by his blind racism.

He clearly didn't have impeccable training.

Smellyman

muskydan said:

Smellyman said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Once the suspect tried to close his door, he broke the law. When he tried to flee he placed the cops life in danger. The shooting is justified.

Glad we have visual proof, so the masses can't scream racism!

cops can't just open doors either.

Think again again smelly.

Sure, I guess they could claim probable cause.

but please explain the 'think again'.

edit: fogot the probable cause....sometimes type faster than my slow brain.

mickeyrat

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Dont know why but it seems to correlate to issuance of 2 plates.
Heres a link to the revised code. Seems to get renewed every 2 yrs.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4503.21v1

Cliffy6745

Last-12-Exit said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this guy didn't intend to shoot him. When he started the car, his hand went to the gun. Then he tripped or stumbled and his hand came up with the gun in hand.

No defense. No excuse. Poor training leads to this.

Anyone know why Ohio requires 2 plates? Traffic cams maybe?

Sounds like an excuse to me. Fact of the matter is that he shot the guy in his head from point blank range

Hmm. Ok.
So his impeccable training was just forgotten by his blind racism.

Didn't say that either but the fact of the matter is that he shot a dude at point blank range in his head. Pretty tough to say he did that because he stubbed his toe

JUST A GIRL

The officers hand was inside the vehicle. He tried to speed away, which would result in dragging/running over the officer. He was justified in shooting him. His life was in danger. What's so hard to see about that?

Of course you scream racism (again) when it would have happened the same way if it was a black teenager or a elf grandma. Either way it's gonna happen. Race is irrelevant.

But I guess you just have to have something for your 2 minute hate, right?

WhatYouTaughtMe

JUST A GIRL said:

The officers hand was inside the vehicle. He tried to speed away, which would result in dragging/running over the officer. He was justified in shooting him. His life was in danger. What's so hard to see about that?

Of course you scream racism (again) when it would have happened the same way if it was a black teenager or a elf grandma. Either way it's gonna happen. Race is irrelevant.

But I guess you just have to have something for your 2 minute hate, right?

The officer put his hands inside the vehicle after the guy started the car and tried to take off, putting himself in harm's way. One of those hands already had his gun in it aimed at the guy's head. There was no intent by the victim to injure the officer. His intent was to flee, which is not punishable by death at the hands of some bonehead with an itchy trigger finger. White or black, the guy was murdered.

mickeyrat

JUST A GIRL said:

The officers hand was inside the vehicle. He tried to speed away, which would result in dragging/running over the officer. He was justified in shooting him. His life was in danger. What's so hard to see about that?

Of course you scream racism (again) when it would have happened the same way if it was a black teenager or a elf grandma. Either way it's gonna happen. Race is irrelevant.

But I guess you just have to have something for your 2 minute hate, right?

I havent watched the video, kinda dont want to see someone murdered ya know? If YOU have watched , is your sense that he "sped" away? Because others I have heard from is that it started to roll forward. Big difference in rolling and speeding away. Seems he was slow enough for the cop to get his gun out, take headshot aim and fire while "being dragged " by the vehicle.