Another Bullsh$@ Manufactured story to provoke the race card.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Don't know who Henry Rollins is.
Never heard of the guy in my lifetime.
Seems he wants to be known by police though with quotes he makes.

brianlux

"Don't know who Henry Rollins is." LOL!!

Edit: Sorry man. No offense- I believe you but I can't stop laughing, LOL!

PJfanwillneverleave1

Quick google search.
I like this guy already.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-why-im-not-an-atheist-5403137

hedonist

cutz said:

I think the Cop was WRONG(for instigating IMO> Put out your cigarette? Plus, why did he ask her how long have you been in Texas?). He should've just had her sign the warning and let her be on her way, and that would've been the end of it. I agreed with her: all of that for not signaling for a lane change? Really? I know i would've been pissed too. I guess the cops have nothing else better to do?

Just TRAGIC.

It is tragic for sure. Whether her life was taken by another or by her own hand, a person who was obviously loved is dead.

With this said, I'm pretty sure that using your signal to...wait for it...SIGNAL that you're changing lanes is the law. Not doing so has caused some pretty fucked up accidents. Don't wanna do it? Fine - fuck knows I've flouted my share of rules and regs - but then face the consequences. And be respectful when pulled over for it. How that is so difficult is beyond me.

And, asking someone to put out their cigarette at a stop isn't an over-the-top request...is it? Just to give full attention to what's going on, sign the shit and be on your way?

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Quick google search.
I like this guy already.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-why-im-not-an-atheist-5403137

You might like some of his books. Good place to start would be any one of the three Fanatic! volumes or Before the Chop and Before the Chop II. Good stuff!

And his talking shows on DVD (or YouTube) are great.

(Sorry for the side-track folks.)

rr165892

brianlux said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Quick google search.
I like this guy already.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-why-im-not-an-atheist-5403137

You might like some of his books. Good place to start would be any one of the three Fanatic! volumes or Before the Chop and Before the Chop II. Good stuff!

And his talking shows on DVD (or YouTube) are great.

(Sorry for the side-track folks.)

Or his TV show of hidden American History including all the Back stories.

rgambs

hedonist said:

cutz said:

I think the Cop was WRONG(for instigating IMO> Put out your cigarette? Plus, why did he ask her how long have you been in Texas?). He should've just had her sign the warning and let her be on her way, and that would've been the end of it. I agreed with her: all of that for not signaling for a lane change? Really? I know i would've been pissed too. I guess the cops have nothing else better to do?

Just TRAGIC.

It is tragic for sure. Whether her life was taken by another or by her own hand, a person who was obviously loved is dead.

With this said, I'm pretty sure that using your signal to...wait for it...SIGNAL that you're changing lanes is the law. Not doing so has caused some pretty fucked up accidents. Don't wanna do it? Fine - fuck knows I've flouted my share of rules and regs - but then face the consequences. And be respectful when pulled over for it. How that is so difficult is beyond me.

And, asking someone to put out their cigarette at a stop isn't an over-the-top request...is it? Just to give full attention to what's going on, sign the shit and be on your way?

Is it not incumbent on the officer to be respectful as well? Not necessarily saying he wasn't in the early part of this encounter, but minorities are disrespected by police with alarming frequency and the police apologists on here don't seem to acknowledge or care about that lack of respect.

josevolution

As far as I see it the cop lost control of the situation ...

hedonist

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

cutz said:

I think the Cop was WRONG(for instigating IMO> Put out your cigarette? Plus, why did he ask her how long have you been in Texas?). He should've just had her sign the warning and let her be on her way, and that would've been the end of it. I agreed with her: all of that for not signaling for a lane change? Really? I know i would've been pissed too. I guess the cops have nothing else better to do?

Just TRAGIC.

It is tragic for sure. Whether her life was taken by another or by her own hand, a person who was obviously loved is dead.

With this said, I'm pretty sure that using your signal to...wait for it...SIGNAL that you're changing lanes is the law. Not doing so has caused some pretty fucked up accidents. Don't wanna do it? Fine - fuck knows I've flouted my share of rules and regs - but then face the consequences. And be respectful when pulled over for it. How that is so difficult is beyond me.

And, asking someone to put out their cigarette at a stop isn't an over-the-top request...is it? Just to give full attention to what's going on, sign the shit and be on your way?

Is it not incumbent on the officer to be respectful as well? Not necessarily saying he wasn't in the early part of this encounter, but minorities are disrespected by police with alarming frequency and the police apologists on here don't seem to acknowledge or care about that lack of respect.

I expect respect as a rule in general, unless I've done something to not warrant it - that goes for police, teachers, EMTs, regular everyday folks - and extend the same toward myself. I have and will call out anyone who abuses their authority.

The officer asking her to put out her smoke was reasonable and not disrespectful. If she'd had music blasting and refused to turn it down or off, I'd see it in the same way. Why not just do it?

Gern Blansten

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

cutz said:

I think the Cop was WRONG(for instigating IMO> Put out your cigarette? Plus, why did he ask her how long have you been in Texas?). He should've just had her sign the warning and let her be on her way, and that would've been the end of it. I agreed with her: all of that for not signaling for a lane change? Really? I know i would've been pissed too. I guess the cops have nothing else better to do?

Just TRAGIC.

It is tragic for sure. Whether her life was taken by another or by her own hand, a person who was obviously loved is dead.

With this said, I'm pretty sure that using your signal to...wait for it...SIGNAL that you're changing lanes is the law. Not doing so has caused some pretty fucked up accidents. Don't wanna do it? Fine - fuck knows I've flouted my share of rules and regs - but then face the consequences. And be respectful when pulled over for it. How that is so difficult is beyond me.

And, asking someone to put out their cigarette at a stop isn't an over-the-top request...is it? Just to give full attention to what's going on, sign the shit and be on your way?

Is it not incumbent on the officer to be respectful as well? Not necessarily saying he wasn't in the early part of this encounter, but minorities are disrespected by police with alarming frequency and the police apologists on here don't seem to acknowledge or care about that lack of respect.

I expect respect as a rule in general, unless I've done something to not warrant it - that goes for police, teachers, EMTs, regular everyday folks - and extend the same toward myself. I have and will call out anyone who abuses their authority.

The officer asking her to put out her smoke was reasonable and not disrespectful. If she'd had music blasting and refused to turn it down or off, I'd see it in the same way. Why not just do it?

yeah why not? I would probably do it. But the point is she doesn't have to. The officer did NOT have the authority to tell her to put out her cigarette and when she refused he certainly didn't have the authority (or cause) to arrest her. Of course he can always say that he thought she was drunk or something to justify his actions but the video is pretty clear. His authority was challenged and he flipped his lid.

rr165892

Again Gern,all coulda been avoided if she(regardless of his actions) just complied with a simple request.Hedos point about the radio was spot on.

callen

Last-12-Exit said:

The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of buying and maintaining cameras so every cell can be watched. Jails aren't mental hospitals. If someone thinks a prisoner is suicidal, then they will be put on a suicide watch. I have no idea what that entails, but I'm sure it includes more attention on the prisoner. It would be extremely expensive to add personnel or electronics to watch prisoners 24/7.

Unfortunately the publics decreased appetite for spending on mental services for the poor our local jails have I deed turned I to our mental health facilities.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Again Gern,all coulda been avoided if she(regardless of his actions) just complied with a simple request.Hedos point about the radio was spot on.

Why regardless of HIS actions? HE is the one being paid by tax money to protect citizens. SHE is exercising her rights (without brains or class, but class is not a requisite to rights), so why do you refuse to acknowledge his share of the blame?

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Again Gern,all coulda been avoided if she(regardless of his actions) just complied with a simple request.Hedos point about the radio was spot on.

so if he would have shot her while she was still in her car that would have been her fault?

callen

Just know if I was a black female getting pulled over after having to eat the shit sandwich I'm given due to color of my skin may be a bit pissed off as well.

If all you folks were born black you would all have a different tune. Yes her demeanor hurt her get that. Your all not rocket scientists stating that. Just pull yourself out of your shoes. Blacks have reason to be pissed off. I give and do my part daily to reach out and be nice to my fellow human. What are you all doing to make this a better world.

Still having a bad day. Would pull "rocket scientist" descriptor but leaving for affect.

hedonist

callen said:

Just know if I was a black female getting pulled over after having to eat the shit sandwich I'm given due to color of my skin may be a bit pissed off as well.

If all you folks were born black you would all have a different tune. Yes her demeanor hurt her get that. Your all not rocket scientists stating that. Just pull yourself out of your shoes. Blacks have reason to be pissed off. I give and do my part daily to reach out and be nice to my fellow human. What are you all doing to make this a better world.

Still having a bad day. Would pull "rocket scientist" descriptor but leaving for affect.

I do the same, and based on what I've come to know of many people here, they do as well. And none of us need to detail or justify exactly what we do, in our own little tiny (or not) ways.

And...I'd venture to say most of us have had some prejudice displayed toward us at some point, no? Being a woman, being (raised) Jewish, being half-Iranian, being a pot-smoker, being a...well, you get the point.

I'm not walking around with a chip on my shoulder though. I can't KNOW what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes but I can certainly imagine, and empathize with whatever fuckedupness might've been encountered.

Still doesn't give carte blance to act like a jerk.

Shit, you're out in public having a smoke and a stranger asks you to put it out? Most people would apologize and do so. A police officer asking the same? Nah, fuck him.

callen

Hedonist yeah you may have been viewed down being female and you know I can't even comprehend it. I try everyday to think about how I communicate with my female coworkers cause I am a typical male and know I've been dick in past. I talk over people. Yeah hard to tell reading my posts I'm sure. Ha.

Do think being black goes to another level. More than any of us have experienced. I don't give excuses just try to understand. People should be held responsible and not given a pass. This lady handled the cop wrong. But I understand why. That's all.

callen

And also understand why black activists picked up on this and also understand why some whites don't like that. I' know these black activists. Some do benefit from coverage but so glad blacks have a voice. We get the long end of the stick. It's not guilt. It's trying to make things better.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

Just know if I was a black female getting pulled over after having to eat the shit sandwich I'm given due to color of my skin may be a bit pissed off as well.

If all you folks were born black you would all have a different tune. Yes her demeanor hurt her get that. Your all not rocket scientists stating that. Just pull yourself out of your shoes. Blacks have reason to be pissed off. I give and do my part daily to reach out and be nice to my fellow human. What are you all doing to make this a better world.

Still having a bad day. Would pull "rocket scientist" descriptor but leaving for affect.

Comes across as a little pompous.

And, your venom is a little misdirected. It's not the fault of the police that poverty exists in many minority groups resulting in a growing disconnect for, in this case, some blacks with the mainstream. Your country's dedication to and pursuit of ruthless capitalistic ideals and profit margins have created the situation police deal with at the point of the problem.

Blame your crusty old, white haired policy makers and their staunch supporters for the inequities that have led to the swell of civil unrest on the part of hopeless people that have grown angry realizing they have no chance.

The cop didn't handle the situation very well, but it was a challenging one given the amount of disrespect pouring out at him. None of what I saw should have him suspended. A little mentoring might be a better solution. I'd like to know if those who are arguing against the 'police apologists' ever screw up at their 'cushy' jobs. I say cushy because... let's get serious... there aren't many jobs with the vocational hazards and challenges a police job features.

Having said that, it seems like there are a few perfectly suited for the work. They seem to know exactly how to deal with all these situations that present themselves on this forum. With such an advanced skill set, I wish they would put their money where their mouths are, get active in the service, and offer the profession the leadership and wisdom they possess.

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Again Gern,all coulda been avoided if she(regardless of his actions) just complied with a simple request.Hedos point about the radio was spot on.

so if he would have shot her while she was still in her car that would have been her fault?

That may be the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted here.