9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

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HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Pretty distinct opinions from the left and right on this one:

Leftie Liberal says:
This kid had numerous behavioral problems and was probably mentally disturbed, maybe now is a good time to discuss expanding healthcare services?
This kid had easy access to guns, maybe now is a good time to talk about gun control?
This kid is guilty, but the death penalty has no place in civilized modern society.
Federal prosecutors said this kid was "self-radicalized" online, maybe now is a good time to talk about how that malicious information was disseminated and received before another incident occurs.

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

A biased post.

Let me rework the Leftie Liberal portion for you to match the idiocy of the Radical Rightie portion:

Leftie Liberal says:
Poor poor kid had severe trauma of some sort in his life and he needs our support now because we failed him prior to the somewhat unfortunate event.
What's done is done and we can't bring back any of the deceased, but we can all come together and pour love all over mushroom head to salvage a life.
Etc.

I have never ONCE seen a liberal voice that kind of perspective about this guy. "Poor poor kid... needs our support... what's done is done"??? Thirty, where are you getting that from? I personally think you made it up out of thin air or you are listening to others who did.

Follow along, man.

The post I responded to mocked the pro DP faction and I responded in kind.

Why didn't you address this:

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

honestly, 30, you post this liberal crybaby rhetoric without having been prodded at all, all the time. you know that.

You obviously didn't read the post I responded to either.

Classic though... the inability to see the provocation.

For thorough understanding of the exchange... go read the post that prompted mine and further yet... how I set mine up,

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PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Pretty distinct opinions from the left and right on this one:

Leftie Liberal says:
This kid had numerous behavioral problems and was probably mentally disturbed, maybe now is a good time to discuss expanding healthcare services?
This kid had easy access to guns, maybe now is a good time to talk about gun control?
This kid is guilty, but the death penalty has no place in civilized modern society.
Federal prosecutors said this kid was "self-radicalized" online, maybe now is a good time to talk about how that malicious information was disseminated and received before another incident occurs.

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

A biased post.

Let me rework the Leftie Liberal portion for you to match the idiocy of the Radical Rightie portion:

Leftie Liberal says:
Poor poor kid had severe trauma of some sort in his life and he needs our support now because we failed him prior to the somewhat unfortunate event.
What's done is done and we can't bring back any of the deceased, but we can all come together and pour love all over mushroom head to salvage a life.
Etc.

I have never ONCE seen a liberal voice that kind of perspective about this guy. "Poor poor kid... needs our support... what's done is done"??? Thirty, where are you getting that from? I personally think you made it up out of thin air or you are listening to others who did.

Follow along, man.

The post I responded to mocked the pro DP faction and I responded in kind.

Why didn't you address this:

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

honestly, 30, you post this liberal crybaby rhetoric without having been prodded at all, all the time. you know that.

You obviously didn't read the post I responded to either.

Classic though... the inability to see the provocation.

For thorough understanding of the exchange... go read the post that prompted mine and further yet... how I set mine up,

I did. But you are framing it as though you only respond with such content when prompted. when in most cases, you have not been.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

wow.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Pretty distinct opinions from the left and right on this one:

Leftie Liberal says:
This kid had numerous behavioral problems and was probably mentally disturbed, maybe now is a good time to discuss expanding healthcare services?
This kid had easy access to guns, maybe now is a good time to talk about gun control?
This kid is guilty, but the death penalty has no place in civilized modern society.
Federal prosecutors said this kid was "self-radicalized" online, maybe now is a good time to talk about how that malicious information was disseminated and received before another incident occurs.

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

A biased post.

Let me rework the Leftie Liberal portion for you to match the idiocy of the Radical Rightie portion:

Leftie Liberal says:
Poor poor kid had severe trauma of some sort in his life and he needs our support now because we failed him prior to the somewhat unfortunate event.
What's done is done and we can't bring back any of the deceased, but we can all come together and pour love all over mushroom head to salvage a life.
Etc.

I have never ONCE seen a liberal voice that kind of perspective about this guy. "Poor poor kid... needs our support... what's done is done"??? Thirty, where are you getting that from? I personally think you made it up out of thin air or you are listening to others who did.

Follow along, man.

The post I responded to mocked the pro DP faction and I responded in kind.

Why didn't you address this:

Radical Rightie says:
Punish!
Torture!
Kill!
(proceeds to close barn door)

honestly, 30, you post this liberal crybaby rhetoric without having been prodded at all, all the time. you know that.

You obviously didn't read the post I responded to either.

Classic though... the inability to see the provocation.

For thorough understanding of the exchange... go read the post that prompted mine and further yet... how I set mine up,

I did. But you are framing it as though you only respond with such content when prompted. when in most cases, you have not been.

Unsubstantiated. Your claim here about 'most cases'. It's actually bullshit... what you say.

You know what's not bullshit though? It's not bullshit that you never speak to the posts that are hurled from your side of the fence (you know... blood blood blood). The only ones you get pissy about are the ones that mock your perspective in those mud slinging affairs.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Justice

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Justice

I'm not sure that the government killing it's own people is the definition of justice.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Justice

I'm not sure that the government killing it's own people is the definition of justice.

I'm not sure clothing, feeding, and entertaining a mass murderer is either.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Justice

I'm not sure that the government killing it's own people is the definition of justice.

I'm not sure clothing, feeding, and entertaining a mass murderer is either.

So rather than the government keep society safe from the guy killing again, they need to do something more?

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

Wow, what a harsh reply. I am always careful to be respectful with you, it would be nice if you did the same.
Yes, I do think that those who want people to be killed are out for vengeance through killing, which definitely can fairly be called a bloodthirsty desire (particularly in the context that I referenced, which are all those posts where people are talking about inflicting real violence on the person). You call it justice, but I don't think there is a difference when said justice is vigilante murder. Do you see the difference here? Liberals have never said "poor poor mass murderer" or anything close to it (as as far as the context that you keep trying to point out... dude, you've said this stuff before). Some have, though, made comments calling for violent revenge against criminals (in a perfect world). If memory serves, you have made such comments yourself.

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Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

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Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

I see no reason why politics have to come into the discussion at this point. Almost everyone agrees that this punk is scum of the earth and either should be dead or dying in a jail cell.

I agree. It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that liberals might feel sympathy for that guy just because they don't support the DP and want better mental healthcare.

It's ridiculous and insulting to suggest people that view the DP as an appropriate form of justice for this loser are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on revenge.

F**k you can be daft at times. Seriously.

If the death penalty isn't about revenge, then what is it about?

Justice

I'm not sure that the government killing it's own people is the definition of justice.

I'm not sure clothing, feeding, and entertaining a mass murderer is either.

So rather than the government keep society safe from the guy killing again, they need to do something more?

Keeping society safe from the guy isn't administering justice.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

Proponents want someone dead, using whatever words, and then call it justice.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

I have to disagree. I think some proponents do say "blood blood blood" (per se). I've seen as much said with my very own eyes. I have seen posts where people have detailed the torture they would personally inflict on some murderer or rapist .... Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure you've never seen a liberal saying "poor poor murderer".

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Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

Proponents want someone dead, using whatever words, and then call it justice.

Well... yah.

In this case... we have a mushroom headed, hate filled mutant that killed some innocent people in a church. Proponents think that a warm cell, clean clothing, cooked meals, and internet use is not fitting for a punishment.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

Proponents want someone dead, using whatever words, and then call it justice.

Well... yah.

In this case... we have a mushroom headed, hate filled mutant that killed some innocent people in a church. Proponents think that a warm cell, clean clothing, cooked meals, and internet use is not fitting for a punishment.

But for the most part, those who oppose the DP don't do so because they want the criminal to be okay. They oppose it because of what it entails for the government and society, and because of the possibility of someone innocent being on death row and/or killed. The welfare of a guilty criminal honestly has absolutely nothing to do with it for most opponents.

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PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

I have to disagree. I think some proponents do say "blood blood blood" (per se). I've seen as much said with my very own eyes. I have seen posts where people have detailed the torture they would personally inflict on some murderer or rapist .... Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure you've never seen a liberal saying "poor poor murderer".

Maybe not so succinctly.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

Proponents want someone dead, using whatever words, and then call it justice.

Well... yah.

In this case... we have a mushroom headed, hate filled mutant that killed some innocent people in a church. Proponents think that a warm cell, clean clothing, cooked meals, and internet use is not fitting for a punishment.

Isn't punishment that matches the crime revenge?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Soul...

Liberals have never said poor poor murderer just like proponents have never said blood blood blood.

Implying proponents are saying blood blood blood when they say something like 'good riddance' is tantamount to implying liberals empathize with the murderer when they concern themselves so much with his fate.

Proponents want someone dead, using whatever words, and then call it justice.

Well... yah.

In this case... we have a mushroom headed, hate filled mutant that killed some innocent people in a church. Proponents think that a warm cell, clean clothing, cooked meals, and internet use is not fitting for a punishment.

But for the most part, those who oppose the DP don't do so because they want the criminal to be okay. They oppose it because of what it entails for the government and society, and because of the possibility of someone innocent being on death row and/or killed. The welfare of a guilty criminal honestly has absolutely nothing to do with it for most opponents.

Well in this case... there's no question of guilt.

I don't think executing these types hurts society at all. I think stomaching their existence as they complain of prison conditions, apply for parole, and chair their fan clubs does worse.