Knowing what you know now would you still support the withdrawal of troops from Iraq

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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.

    Step up in what capacity? As war mongers? Is that not Americas job? If you don't think Canada contributes plenty throughout the world, well then that's ridiculous, we contribute plenty, we just don't like to participate in the destruction of other sovereign country's without just cause...
    Ask BS. He's very pointed in what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Libya. Except Canada doesn't want any part of it.
    Well just because 1 or a few do want Canada involved, I'm willing to bet a majority do not...and a majority would rather us return to our peace keeping roots...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.

    Step up in what capacity? As war mongers? Is that not Americas job? If you don't think Canada contributes plenty throughout the world, well then that's ridiculous, we contribute plenty, we just don't like to participate in the destruction of other sovereign country's without just cause...
    Ask BS. He's very pointed in what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Libya. Except Canada doesn't want any part of it.
    Canada is in Iraq and will probably be in Raqqa shortly.
    Canada's overwhelming force of 200 or so? When are you guys going to pony up the 70,000 plus to stabilize the country and allow democracy to flourish?
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  • BS44325
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    Boots on the ground in Syria and US military wants more

    http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/islamic-state-syria-raqqa-us-military-general-stephen-townsend-mosul

    So it looks like at the end of the Obama presidency the US will be at war in more countries then when it started. Hope and Change.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    BS44325 said:

    Boots on the ground in Syria and US military wants more

    http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/islamic-state-syria-raqqa-us-military-general-stephen-townsend-mosul

    So it looks like at the end of the Obama presidency the US will be at war in more countries then when it started. Hope and Change.

    You might get kinda lonely in here now, BS ;).
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    oftenreading said:

    BS44325 said:

    Boots on the ground in Syria and US military wants more

    http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/islamic-state-syria-raqqa-us-military-general-stephen-townsend-mosul

    So it looks like at the end of the Obama presidency the US will be at war in more countries then when it started. Hope and Change.

    You might get kinda lonely in here now, BS ;).
    Ha. It's true!
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Mission creep?

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/03/army-to-deploy-1700-paratroopers-to-iraq.html

    So lonely...
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    BS44325 said:

    Mission creep?

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/03/army-to-deploy-1700-paratroopers-to-iraq.html

    So lonely...

    Ha!

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    oftenreading said:

    BS44325 said:

    Mission creep?

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/03/army-to-deploy-1700-paratroopers-to-iraq.html

    So lonely...

    Ha!

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Are we learning yet?
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    At least Obama will leave the Trump administration a middle east that is at peace

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/11/24/first-u-s-service-member-killed-in-syria/

    https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN13J1DA?client=safari

    The war in Iraq goes on while US service members are dying in Syria
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    PJ_Soul said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    What did Canada contribute to the Peloponnesian War?

    That was about 2000+ years before Canada existed, so I assume they only had a small peacekeeping role. ;)
    Wish the US had a similar history, you know, self interested, non-interventionist. Well, maybe the US is self interested. Maybe I meant self preservationist?
    Well, until Japan invaded them, that was how the US was. WWII and the resulting cold war forced the US out of its own little bubble .... and ever since then, the US has really had an extremely terrible track record when it comes to war and intervention. Really, really awful (although we should probably be glad that the US at least prevented South Vietnam and South Korea from being overtaken by their weirdo northern neighbors... at a horrible cost to the US, but still). So yeah, the US would likely be a lot better off pulling back from this fairly crazy mindset of being the world's police force. So far, things have gone as well as anyone could have possibly hoped for given the circumstances... but I feel like the US's luck might be running out. It may have gotten away with as much as it is going to by now, so perhaps it's a good time for the US to pull back and be a little more insular again like it was before 1941.
    The US was far from non-interventionist prior to WWII. You're familiar with the term Banana Republic, no? And the Monroe Doctrine?
    The US declared hegemony over the entire western hemisphere in the early 1800's, and employed many of the same means still in use today, to enforce that hegemony. State sponsored terror, economic imperialism, direct military intervention, support of dictators, etc etc...
    Here is a list of about 140 foreign US Military interventions between 1800 and 1933...some just chest thumping, muscle flexing....some full-on wars:
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024.html

    ...and I'm sure you didn't mean to sound callous regarding Vietnam and Korea...but there is nothing to be thankful to the US for in their roles in those conflicts, esp Vietnam. That was also imperialism, and the cost to the victim countries was much greater than that of the US....
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Well well well...

    It looks like the Obama administration is advocating for a US prolonged presence in Iraq

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/04/defense-secretary-ash-carter-says-us-partners-need-to-stay-in-iraq-after-isis-defeat.html

    We have come full circle. The question of this thread has been answered.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    More US troops on their way to Syria...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38274191

    I assume everybody on here is ok with Obama expanding the war under the original AUMF and without UN approval. Hope and change.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Just a couple weeks left in this presidency and there are still troops fighting in Iraq

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/american-troops-have-operated-inside-mosul-coalition-spokesman-confirms-n703166

    No status of forces agreement either.

    What a failure.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    To quote the song and the thread nailed to the top of the AMT

    "Bombs dropping down"

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124842824.html

    Change you can believe in.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited January 2017
    "Please forgive our hometown, in our insignificance"

    Funny seeing a hawk quote that song while posting repeatedly about escalation of war in a far off land, from the comfort of your home....as if violence in Iraq and the lack of response to your posts are some kind of personal vindication....

    'Feel like resonance of distance...'
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Drowned Out said:

    "Please forgive our hometown, in our insignificance"

    Funny seeing a hawk quote that song while posting repeatedly about escalation of war in a far off land, from the comfort of your home....as if violence in Iraq and the lack of response to your posts are some kind of personal vindication....

    'Feel like resonance of distance...'

    No personal vindication for me. Just more evidence of years of phony outrage on the AMT. War, bombs...it is only something to protest when a republican is in charge.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I hope you arent inferring I'm a part of that. My phony outrage is non-partisan.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,126
    So,BS, where's the surge?Or more precisely, what is it that the brilliant strategy of Bannon and Kushner, mmmm Kushner, have formulated regarding a Trump Iraq policy? Or maybe, you'd prefer discussing Syria? Or Iran? Excuse me while I change out my skis.
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  • BS44325
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    So,BS, where's the surge?Or more precisely, what is it that the brilliant strategy of Bannon and Kushner, mmmm Kushner, have formulated regarding a Trump Iraq policy? Or maybe, you'd prefer discussing Syria? Or Iran? Excuse me while I change out my skis.

    Is this what you were looking for?

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-26-16-28-47

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