Knowing what you know now would you still support the withdrawal of troops from Iraq
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Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.PJ_Soul said:
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes.BS44325 said:
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.PJ_Soul said:
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?Halifax2TheMax said:
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.BS44325 said:First US Combat death in fight for Mosul
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/20/first-u-s-combat-death-in-fight-for-mosul/?utm_content=buffer1c51c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
The war isn't over
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.0 -
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/21/middleeast/iraq-kirkuk-attacks/index.html
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I don't know... I don't think they would keep quiet. Period. I also don't think they would escalate involvement in any big way. I don't think Canadians are interested in an escalation at all, and it would be met with real opposition by most Liberal supporters. But I have no reason to suspect that Trudeau is even considering it. He already ceased the fighter jet involvement and stated clearly before and after the election that efforts would be focused on peacekeeping involvement. I doubt he would just totally change direction on that campaign promise. Why would he? It wouldn't do anyone any good, including himself. He wouldn't get away with a cover up of involvement or of casualties, and isn't stupid enough to try it even if he did have some motivation too. Now, if there is a major terror attack in Canada, all bets are off obviously, and the whole thing might be reconsidered (rightly so). Actually, I feel like Canada's minor involvement now is mostly about just keeping us in the mix with the allies in case there is an attack like that. Canada needs the protection of the US in that scenario. If Canada wasn't helping in some level with ISIS the US might decide to stay out of it if the unthinkable happens, who knows (Trump would do that, anyway). You have to help your friends to stay friends, basically. Obviously the same goes with Britain. I really don't know if Canada wouod have the involvement if neither of those two countries were involved. Would Canada get into it at all of it were just France, Belgium, et al? I am not sure. Luckily our military is so weak that our position as mostly peacekeepers is totally justifiable, which is great, because that's the only position that the citizens are comfortable with.BS44325 said:
Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.PJ_Soul said:
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes.BS44325 said:
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.PJ_Soul said:
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?Halifax2TheMax said:
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.BS44325 said:First US Combat death in fight for Mosul
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/20/first-u-s-combat-death-in-fight-for-mosul/?utm_content=buffer1c51c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
The war isn't over
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I don't disagree with you but as long as Trudeau's approval ratings stay where they are he doesn't exactly have to level with the Canadian public. People seem to be ok with him governing like a conservative as long as he talks like a liberal.PJ_Soul said:
I don't know... I don't think they would keep quiet. Period. I also don't think they would escalate involvement in any big way. I don't think Canadians are interested in an escalation at all, and it would be met with real opposition by most Liberal supporters. But I have no reason to suspect that Trudeau is even considering it. He already ceased the fighter jet involvement and stated clearly before and after the election that efforts would be focused on peacekeeping involvement. I doubt he would just totally change direction on that campaign promise. Why would he? It wouldn't do anyone any good, including himself. He wouldn't get away with a cover up of involvement or of casualties, and isn't stupid enough to try it even if he did have some motivation too. Now, if there is a major terror attack in Canada, all bets are off obviously, and the whole thing might be reconsidered (rightly so). Actually, I feel like Canada's minor involvement now is mostly about just keeping us in the mix with the allies in case there is an attack like that. Canada needs the protection of the US in that scenario. If Canada wasn't helping in some level with ISIS the US might decide to stay out of it if the unthinkable happens, who knows (Trump would do that, anyway). You have to help your friends to stay friends, basically. Luckily our military is so weak that our position as mostly peacekeepers is totally justifiable, which is great, because that's the only position that the citizens are comfortable with.BS44325 said:
Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.PJ_Soul said:
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes.BS44325 said:
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.PJ_Soul said:
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?Halifax2TheMax said:
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.BS44325 said:First US Combat death in fight for Mosul
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/20/first-u-s-combat-death-in-fight-for-mosul/?utm_content=buffer1c51c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
The war isn't over
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.0 -
Ha, yes, I have seen that you believe that. I disagree with that assessment. I think it's pretty silly, and know it's just something some writer said in an editorial that you appreciated.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton's service in Iraq, while honorable as a member of our military, does not make him an expert on war strategy nor international relations. His endorsement and support for Trump, a hopeful commander in chief without a mention of Iraq or ME policy on his official campaign website makes him an idiot. An idiot who served his country nonetheless.BS44325 said:
None of them were declared by Tom Cotton but I believe he served in 2 of them. Also the one diverting and distracting is you as this thread is about the withdrawal. The invasion of 2003 happened and you can't go back in time to wish it away whether you hated the decision or not. The question is what should have been done in 2011 and the consequences of that. You are one of the last remaining people to argue that the withdrawal was the smart choice, that the results we are seeing today are in fact a good thing, that Obama has ISIS right where he wants them, that the Iraqis are stepping up and making things happen, that the other calamities in the middle east are just unrelated events. The decision has been an absolute disaster to the point that America is now ramping up it's troop presence and once again is losing people on the battlefield with no plan in place. At least prior to the withdrawal there was a plan for security and stability. Yes it was costly but it was a plan. Now there is nothing but endless suffering, war, terrorism, a refugee crisis and genocide. That's what happens when you break it and decide not to own it.Halifax2TheMax said:
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?BS44325 said:
And you still support a President that has your country in five warsHalifax2TheMax said:Never mind, I found my answer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/clinton-vows-no-more-troops-in-iraq-as-trump-slams-dumbest-foreign-policy?0p19G=e
You back a candidate who's official campaign website doesn't even come up in a google search of "trump Iraq policy."
http://theweek.com/articles/655826/why-wont-anyone-admit-that-america-fighting-5-wars?utm_content=buffer1f32c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
The problem with you neocons is that you continue to make your own new reality as it suites you. Failed disasterous policy followed by more failed disasterous policy, the invasion followed by the surge and yet you continue to put it on Obama. Sorry but you own it. But what does one expect of the neocon crowd? Replace one murdeous dictator with another. What's the difference?
The surge peaked in 2007 and troop numbers began declining. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. The troop reductions thus were Shrubs policy. Obama called Maliki's bluff as well he should have.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007
You claimed that I'm the only one who claims the surge failed. Clearly I'm not and I'll take a retired general's opinion as artculated in the below over some smoke your blowing out your ass any day. Now you own two failed Iraq war policies. See? You're winning.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/17/why-surge-iraq-actually-failed-and-what-that-means-today/0NaI9JrbtSs1pAZvgzGtaL/story.html09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No. I claimed you're one of the last remaining people to argue the withdrawal was a smart choice. You don't read my posts. Also if you don't like "failed disastrous policy after failed disastrous policy" then stop supporting a lady who keeps participating in them. She is the neocon in this race.Halifax2TheMax said:
Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton's service in Iraq, while honorable as a member of our military, does not make him an expert on war strategy nor international relations. His endorsement and support for Trump, a hopeful commander in chief without a mention of Iraq or ME policy on his official campaign website makes him an idiot. An idiot who served his country nonetheless.BS44325 said:
None of them were declared by Tom Cotton but I believe he served in 2 of them. Also the one diverting and distracting is you as this thread is about the withdrawal. The invasion of 2003 happened and you can't go back in time to wish it away whether you hated the decision or not. The question is what should have been done in 2011 and the consequences of that. You are one of the last remaining people to argue that the withdrawal was the smart choice, that the results we are seeing today are in fact a good thing, that Obama has ISIS right where he wants them, that the Iraqis are stepping up and making things happen, that the other calamities in the middle east are just unrelated events. The decision has been an absolute disaster to the point that America is now ramping up it's troop presence and once again is losing people on the battlefield with no plan in place. At least prior to the withdrawal there was a plan for security and stability. Yes it was costly but it was a plan. Now there is nothing but endless suffering, war, terrorism, a refugee crisis and genocide. That's what happens when you break it and decide not to own it.Halifax2TheMax said:
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?BS44325 said:
And you still support a President that has your country in five warsHalifax2TheMax said:Never mind, I found my answer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/clinton-vows-no-more-troops-in-iraq-as-trump-slams-dumbest-foreign-policy?0p19G=e
You back a candidate who's official campaign website doesn't even come up in a google search of "trump Iraq policy."
http://theweek.com/articles/655826/why-wont-anyone-admit-that-america-fighting-5-wars?utm_content=buffer1f32c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
The problem with you neocons is that you continue to make your own new reality as it suites you. Failed disasterous policy followed by more failed disasterous policy, the invasion followed by the surge and yet you continue to put it on Obama. Sorry but you own it. But what does one expect of the neocon crowd? Replace one murdeous dictator with another. What's the difference?
The surge peaked in 2007 and troop numbers began declining. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. The troop reductions thus were Shrubs policy. Obama called Maliki's bluff as well he should have.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007
You claimed that I'm the only one who claims the surge failed. Clearly I'm not and I'll take a retired general's opinion as artculated in the below over some smoke your blowing out your ass any day. Now you own two failed Iraq war policies. See? You're winning.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/17/why-surge-iraq-actually-failed-and-what-that-means-today/0NaI9JrbtSs1pAZvgzGtaL/story.html0 -
I stand corrected but yes the withdrawal was a smart choice. And this graphic, among not supporting and continuing two previous failed policies with a third, is why (it's the table on the left):
http://icasualties.org/09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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That graphic shows casualties on the upswing in 2016 and it will probably go higher now that the US is engaged in Mosul. Feel free to also post the graphic detailing civilian casualities in Iraq, Syria and Libya since the time of withdrawal as well along with maybe another detailing the increase in refugees. This is the vacuum the withdrawal is responsible for but I understand if it is only US lives that you care about.Halifax2TheMax said:I stand corrected but yes the withdrawal was a smart choice. And this graphic, among not supporting and continuing two previous failed policies with a third, is why (it's the table on the left):
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Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I suppose Canada could have said the same to the US about WWI and the first half of WWII, but we don't because we're too polite.Halifax2TheMax said:Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.
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What did Canada contribute to the Peloponnesian War?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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That was about 2000+ years before Canada existed, so I assume they only had a small peacekeeping role.Halifax2TheMax said:What did Canada contribute to the Peloponnesian War?
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Wish the US had a similar history, you know, self interested, non-interventionist. Well, maybe the US is self interested. Maybe I meant self preservationist?PJ_Soul said:
That was about 2000+ years before Canada existed, so I assume they only had a small peacekeeping role.Halifax2TheMax said:What did Canada contribute to the Peloponnesian War?
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Well, until Japan invaded them, that was how the US was. WWII and the resulting cold war forced the US out of its own little bubble .... and ever since then, the US has really had an extremely terrible track record when it comes to war and intervention. Really, really awful (although we should probably be glad that the US at least prevented South Vietnam and South Korea from being overtaken by their weirdo northern neighbors... at a horrible cost to the US, but still). So yeah, the US would likely be a lot better off pulling back from this fairly crazy mindset of being the world's police force. So far, things have gone as well as anyone could have possibly hoped for given the circumstances... but I feel like the US's luck might be running out. It may have gotten away with as much as it is going to by now, so perhaps it's a good time for the US to pull back and be a little more insular again like it was before 1941.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wish the US had a similar history, you know, self interested, non-interventionist. Well, maybe the US is self interested. Maybe I meant self preservationist?PJ_Soul said:
That was about 2000+ years before Canada existed, so I assume they only had a small peacekeeping role.Halifax2TheMax said:What did Canada contribute to the Peloponnesian War?
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On the march to Raqqa!
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-uncovered/raqqa-offensive-against-isis-begin-within-weeks-ash-carter-n672996
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Step up in what capacity? As war mongers? Is that not Americas job? If you don't think Canada contributes plenty throughout the world, well then that's ridiculous, we contribute plenty, we just don't like to participate in the destruction of other sovereign country's without just cause...Halifax2TheMax said:Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.
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According to the New York Times the middle east is "desperate for american leadership"
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Ask BS. He's very pointed in what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Libya. Except Canada doesn't want any part of it.lukin2006 said:
Step up in what capacity? As war mongers? Is that not Americas job? If you don't think Canada contributes plenty throughout the world, well then that's ridiculous, we contribute plenty, we just don't like to participate in the destruction of other sovereign country's without just cause...Halifax2TheMax said:Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.
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Canada is in Iraq and will probably be in Raqqa shortly.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ask BS. He's very pointed in what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Libya. Except Canada doesn't want any part of it.lukin2006 said:
Step up in what capacity? As war mongers? Is that not Americas job? If you don't think Canada contributes plenty throughout the world, well then that's ridiculous, we contribute plenty, we just don't like to participate in the destruction of other sovereign country's without just cause...Halifax2TheMax said:Doesn't seem Canada cares very much at all based upon their limited contribution. Feel free to step up and fill the vacuum.
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