Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Then stop responding to it.
Okay, you're policing threads like you would Iraq. What's the matter? The blow jays got you down?
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Then stop responding to it.
Okay, you're policing threads like you would Iraq. What's the matter? The blow jays got you down?
Nope. Over it. That's just baseball...not life and death. Just awaiting your post demanding Obama enlist Sasha and Malia when they reach the age of eligibility. I know that's a big thing for you. Why should Obama, a man who was never willing to serve himself, send other people's children to die in a war of choice and not his own? Why should one more American life be lost in Mosul? Let's hear it Halifax. What's the matter? The quagmire got you down?
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Then stop responding to it.
Okay, you're policing threads like you would Iraq. What's the matter? The blow jays got you down?
Nope. Over it. That's just baseball...not life and death. Just awaiting your post demanding Obama enlist Sasha and Malia when they reach the age of eligibility. I know that's a big thing for you. Why should Obama, a man who was never willing to serve himself, send other people's children to die in a war of choice and not his own? Why should one more American life be lost in Mosul? Let's hear it Halifax. What's the matter? The quagmire got you down?
BahahahahahahahahabHa! Quagmire. This from the guy that wants the US to commit South Korean troop levels for 60 years but lives in a country with a historically non-interventionist foreign policy. You know, I'd advocate for Sasha a malia to enlist if the chickenhawk neocons who started this "quagmire" had actually served a day of active duty but Big Dick "7 or was it 9 Deferments" Cheney and AWOL Shrubby not having done so, why should this president's daughters serve? Being a Trump supporter I'm sure you wouldn't want them in combat or serving alongside men.
Why is it that those with the least amount of skin in the game bang the war drum loudest?
Has Canada recalled its ambassador from the Philippines yet for their pivot to China? Some ally you are.
And personally? I'd love to see the US withdraw all US troops from the ME and let Canada have a shot at being the big boy. You're advocating that to your elected representatives, right? You want to own that and show us how it's done, right?
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Yes. Keep applauding Obama for the success that now is Iraq. Obama lied. People died.
Less than 7,000 troops compared to big dick bush/Cheney going in heavy and hard with 170,000 or 70,000, whichever you think would keep the peace. Yea, I applaud that. I wonder how those serving in the National Guard and their families feel about Obama's Iraq policy? Because frankly, your opinion is really irrelevant.
Then stop responding to it.
Okay, you're policing threads like you would Iraq. What's the matter? The blow jays got you down?
Nope. Over it. That's just baseball...not life and death. Just awaiting your post demanding Obama enlist Sasha and Malia when they reach the age of eligibility. I know that's a big thing for you. Why should Obama, a man who was never willing to serve himself, send other people's children to die in a war of choice and not his own? Why should one more American life be lost in Mosul? Let's hear it Halifax. What's the matter? The quagmire got you down?
BahahahahahahahahabHa! Quagmire. This from the guy that wants the US to commit South Korean troop levels for 60 years but lives in a country with a historically non-interventionist foreign policy. You know, I'd advocate for Sasha a malia to enlist if the chickenhawk neocons who started this "quagmire" had actually served a day of active duty but Big Dick "7 or was it 9 Deferments" Cheney and AWOL Shrubby not having done so, why should this president's daughters serve? Being a Trump supporter I'm sure you wouldn't want them in combat or serving alongside men.
Why is it that those with the least amount of skin in the game bang the war drum loudest?
Has Canada recalled its ambassador from the Philippines yet for their pivot to China? Some ally you are.
And personally? I'd love to see the US withdraw all US troops from the ME and let Canada have a shot at being the big boy. You're advocating that to your elected representatives, right? You want to own that and show us how it's done, right?
You are dodging. This isn't about Bush and certainly not about me. Your President has your country at war in Iraq right now. American lives are being lost. Has the President received approval for this war? What is the mission? What is the plan for after? Where is the outrage on these boards?! It's non-existant.
Let me know when Obama has explained to the family of that fallen soldier why he was lost re-taking Mosul. A city that was previously under Iraqi control prior to the withdrawal. That city shouldn't have needed to be re-taken. If it wasn't worth US support in 2011 then why is it worth US lives now? Let me know, will you please?
Let me know when Obama has explained to the family of that fallen soldier why he was lost re-taking Mosul. A city that was previously under Iraqi control prior to the withdrawal. That city shouldn't have needed to be re-taken. If it wasn't worth US support in 2011 then why is it worth US lives now? Let me know, will you please?
You figure it out because your neocon mind shall only create a new reality from which to pass judgement for an inheritor of a failed policy. I wonder what the cost differential is from what you'd like to have seen versus what it is now? 7,0000 would cost less than 170,000 or even 70,000, right? In both lives and borrowing from China. Stop acting like the mere presence of US troops would have negated violence and casualties, that all sides who didn't want us there would suddenly stop attacking us. Al Sadre and his Iranian paymasters would have stopped the roadside bombs and attacks. The difference now is a coalition of Iraqi forces made up of Shia, Sunni and Kurds are taking the lead against ISIS. Not the US and certainly not Canada. What comes next? Not even you know. Personally? It'll degenerate right back into a sectarian blood bath. Those people hate each other. Seeing you know so much, what was the invasion for? Ties to 9/11? WMDs? Taking out the tyrant? Spreading democracy? Oil grab? What was the Shrub Turd Blossom plan for after the war? At least admit that whatever the rationale for the invasion and whatever the plan was for the aftermath, both were abject failures. At least admit that Obama's anti war vote was correct. As one of your heros, Colin "Private Server" Powell, warned, "you break it, you own it." You sir, own it.
Let me know when Obama has explained to the family of that fallen soldier why he was lost re-taking Mosul. A city that was previously under Iraqi control prior to the withdrawal. That city shouldn't have needed to be re-taken. If it wasn't worth US support in 2011 then why is it worth US lives now? Let me know, will you please?
You figure it out because your neocon mind shall only create a new reality from which to pass judgement for an inheritor of a failed policy. I wonder what the cost differential is from what you'd like to have seen versus what it is now? 7,0000 would cost less than 170,000 or even 70,000, right? In both lives and borrowing from China. Stop acting like the mere presence of US troops would have negated violence and casualties, that all sides who didn't want us there would suddenly stop attacking us. Al Sadre and his Iranian paymasters would have stopped the roadside bombs and attacks. The difference now is a coalition of Iraqi forces made up of Shia, Sunni and Kurds are taking the lead against ISIS. Not the US and certainly not Canada. What comes next? Not even you know. Personally? It'll degenerate right back into a sectarian blood bath. Those people hate each other. Seeing you know so much, what was the invasion for? Ties to 9/11? WMDs? Taking out the tyrant? Spreading democracy? Oil grab? What was the Shrub Turd Blossom plan for after the war? At least admit that whatever the rationale for the invasion and whatever the plan was for the aftermath, both were abject failures. At least admit that Obama's anti war vote was correct. As one of your heros, Colin "Private Server" Powell, warned, "you break it, you own it." You sir, own it.
And your country owned it. Hillary Clinton and all the democrats who authorized it owned it. Barak Obama once elected took over ownership. Colin Powell was right on that yet Obama said forget it...we don't own anything. Now Obama owns Mosul, he owns syria and he owns libya. He is back in Iraq without a status of forces agreement and he is sending Americans to die to retake a city that shouldn't have needed re-taking. You dodge and you dodge by bringing up the past never willing to discuss decisions of the last 8 years or even decisions being made right now. Obama is at war in Iraq right now and it's obvious that you are just not interested. Like a broken record you repeat "neocon" "bush" "canada" etc. so as to avoid talking about the present. I get it. It's not easy to square the circle of being so anti-Iraq war while supporting a President who is sending more troops back to the war you thought was over.
Let me know when Obama has explained to the family of that fallen soldier why he was lost re-taking Mosul. A city that was previously under Iraqi control prior to the withdrawal. That city shouldn't have needed to be re-taken. If it wasn't worth US support in 2011 then why is it worth US lives now? Let me know, will you please?
You figure it out because your neocon mind shall only create a new reality from which to pass judgement for an inheritor of a failed policy. I wonder what the cost differential is from what you'd like to have seen versus what it is now? 7,0000 would cost less than 170,000 or even 70,000, right? In both lives and borrowing from China. Stop acting like the mere presence of US troops would have negated violence and casualties, that all sides who didn't want us there would suddenly stop attacking us. Al Sadre and his Iranian paymasters would have stopped the roadside bombs and attacks. The difference now is a coalition of Iraqi forces made up of Shia, Sunni and Kurds are taking the lead against ISIS. Not the US and certainly not Canada. What comes next? Not even you know. Personally? It'll degenerate right back into a sectarian blood bath. Those people hate each other. Seeing you know so much, what was the invasion for? Ties to 9/11? WMDs? Taking out the tyrant? Spreading democracy? Oil grab? What was the Shrub Turd Blossom plan for after the war? At least admit that whatever the rationale for the invasion and whatever the plan was for the aftermath, both were abject failures. At least admit that Obama's anti war vote was correct. As one of your heros, Colin "Private Server" Powell, warned, "you break it, you own it." You sir, own it.
And your country owned it. Hillary Clinton and all the democrats who authorized it owned it. Barak Obama once elected took over ownership. Colin Powell was right on that yet Obama said forget it...we don't own anything. Now Obama owns Mosul, he owns syria and he owns libya. He is back in Iraq without a status of forces agreement and he is sending Americans to die to retake a city that shouldn't have needed re-taking. You dodge and you dodge by bringing up the past never willing to discuss decisions of the last 8 years or even decisions being made right now. Obama is at war in Iraq right now and it's obvious that you are just not interested. Like a broken record you repeat "neocon" "bush" "canada" etc. so as to avoid talking about the present. I get it. It's not easy to square the circle of being so anti-Iraq war while supporting a President who is sending more troops back to the war you thought was over.
That's your first idiotic assumption, that I ever thought the war was over. I never claimed that. Your second idiotic assumption is that I judge the performance of my president in a singular policy decision or inherited foreign intervention. On the whole, this president has far outperformed the previous. I know that galls you. Obamas decision to reduce and withdraw US troops was the right one. I've said that but you refuse to acknowledge it. Why? Because it woke the Iraqis up to realizing they have to take the lead and actually fight for their country. They don't need to be subjects of American imperialism, they're capable of doing it themselves, with some assistance. Much like Israel. But that's a concept you neocons fail to recognize, that if they're not white and corrupt like us, they can't possibly govern, defend or manage themselves. Again, what happens next? They revert back to slaughtering each other or Canada stations 70,000 peace keeping troops. The US is tired of paying for Shrub's and Turd Blossom's Excellent Iraqi Misadventure. Let me know when you've purchased a time share in Trump Tower Mosul. It'll be great!
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
None of them were declared by Tom Cotton but I believe he served in 2 of them. Also the one diverting and distracting is you as this thread is about the withdrawal. The invasion of 2003 happened and you can't go back in time to wish it away whether you hated the decision or not. The question is what should have been done in 2011 and the consequences of that. You are one of the last remaining people to argue that the withdrawal was the smart choice, that the results we are seeing today are in fact a good thing, that Obama has ISIS right where he wants them, that the Iraqis are stepping up and making things happen, that the other calamities in the middle east are just unrelated events. The decision has been an absolute disaster to the point that America is now ramping up it's troop presence and once again is losing people on the battlefield with no plan in place. At least prior to the withdrawal there was a plan for security and stability. Yes it was costly but it was a plan. Now there is nothing but endless suffering, war, terrorism, a refugee crisis and genocide. That's what happens when you break it and decide not to own it.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes. Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes. Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.
Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes. Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.
Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.
I don't know... I don't think they would keep quiet. Period. I also don't think they would escalate involvement in any big way. I don't think Canadians are interested in an escalation at all, and it would be met with real opposition by most Liberal supporters. But I have no reason to suspect that Trudeau is even considering it. He already ceased the fighter jet involvement and stated clearly before and after the election that efforts would be focused on peacekeeping involvement. I doubt he would just totally change direction on that campaign promise. Why would he? It wouldn't do anyone any good, including himself. He wouldn't get away with a cover up of involvement or of casualties, and isn't stupid enough to try it even if he did have some motivation too. Now, if there is a major terror attack in Canada, all bets are off obviously, and the whole thing might be reconsidered (rightly so). Actually, I feel like Canada's minor involvement now is mostly about just keeping us in the mix with the allies in case there is an attack like that. Canada needs the protection of the US in that scenario. If Canada wasn't helping in some level with ISIS the US might decide to stay out of it if the unthinkable happens, who knows (Trump would do that, anyway). You have to help your friends to stay friends, basically. Obviously the same goes with Britain. I really don't know if Canada wouod have the involvement if neither of those two countries were involved. Would Canada get into it at all of it were just France, Belgium, et al? I am not sure. Luckily our military is so weak that our position as mostly peacekeepers is totally justifiable, which is great, because that's the only position that the citizens are comfortable with.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Trump said in the debate last night that Mosul will be great. I'm sure you've made an early registration for a long weekend at Trump Tower Mosul.
Yea, the war your neocon heroes started ain't over but the American footprint is drastically reduced and the Iraqis are taking the lead. Obama should be applauded for that but You neocons won't give him any credit.
Please let me know when Canada commits as much blood and treasure to Iraq as the US has. Save us the US combat deaths are a sign the war isn't over yet posts. It's like you relish in this shit storm of wasted lives.
Canada didn't go to war with Iraq because it was bullshit, and I think most think that was a very good decision. The commitment of blood and treasure by the US in Iraq isn't a source of pride, is it?
Yet we have troops on the battlefield in Iraq right now. It won't be long until we lose some people there as well. The only question is if we'll ever hear about it.
A small military presence because if ISIS now, yes. Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.
Well our goverment does not really want to discuss our presence there at all in any significant way and they almost certainly would not want a vote on Canada's participation. I actually don't mind that as their are strategic purposes for keeping silent but the question is whether our general population would be so supportive if they started to see casualties. Who knows? Our public just like most democrats are for the most part just anti-right rather then being truly anti-war. The only become anti-war when a conservative takes charge.
I don't know... I don't think they would keep quiet. Period. I also don't think they would escalate involvement in any big way. I don't think Canadians are interested in an escalation at all, and it would be met with real opposition by most Liberal supporters. But I have no reason to suspect that Trudeau is even considering it. He already ceased the fighter jet involvement and stated clearly before and after the election that efforts would be focused on peacekeeping involvement. I doubt he would just totally change direction on that campaign promise. Why would he? It wouldn't do anyone any good, including himself. He wouldn't get away with a cover up of involvement or of casualties, and isn't stupid enough to try it even if he did have some motivation too. Now, if there is a major terror attack in Canada, all bets are off obviously, and the whole thing might be reconsidered (rightly so). Actually, I feel like Canada's minor involvement now is mostly about just keeping us in the mix with the allies in case there is an attack like that. Canada needs the protection of the US in that scenario. If Canada wasn't helping in some level with ISIS the US might decide to stay out of it if the unthinkable happens, who knows (Trump would do that, anyway). You have to help your friends to stay friends, basically. Luckily our military is so weak that our position as mostly peacekeepers is totally justifiable, which is great, because that's the only position that the citizens are comfortable with.
I don't disagree with you but as long as Trudeau's approval ratings stay where they are he doesn't exactly have to level with the Canadian public. People seem to be ok with him governing like a conservative as long as he talks like a liberal.
Ha, yes, I have seen that you believe that. I disagree with that assessment. I think it's pretty silly, and know it's just something some writer said in an editorial that you appreciated.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
None of them were declared by Tom Cotton but I believe he served in 2 of them. Also the one diverting and distracting is you as this thread is about the withdrawal. The invasion of 2003 happened and you can't go back in time to wish it away whether you hated the decision or not. The question is what should have been done in 2011 and the consequences of that. You are one of the last remaining people to argue that the withdrawal was the smart choice, that the results we are seeing today are in fact a good thing, that Obama has ISIS right where he wants them, that the Iraqis are stepping up and making things happen, that the other calamities in the middle east are just unrelated events. The decision has been an absolute disaster to the point that America is now ramping up it's troop presence and once again is losing people on the battlefield with no plan in place. At least prior to the withdrawal there was a plan for security and stability. Yes it was costly but it was a plan. Now there is nothing but endless suffering, war, terrorism, a refugee crisis and genocide. That's what happens when you break it and decide not to own it.
Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton's service in Iraq, while honorable as a member of our military, does not make him an expert on war strategy nor international relations. His endorsement and support for Trump, a hopeful commander in chief without a mention of Iraq or ME policy on his official campaign website makes him an idiot. An idiot who served his country nonetheless.
The problem with you neocons is that you continue to make your own new reality as it suites you. Failed disasterous policy followed by more failed disasterous policy, the invasion followed by the surge and yet you continue to put it on Obama. Sorry but you own it. But what does one expect of the neocon crowd? Replace one murdeous dictator with another. What's the difference?
The surge peaked in 2007 and troop numbers began declining. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. The troop reductions thus were Shrubs policy. Obama called Maliki's bluff as well he should have.
You claimed that I'm the only one who claims the surge failed. Clearly I'm not and I'll take a retired general's opinion as artculated in the below over some smoke your blowing out your ass any day. Now you own two failed Iraq war policies. See? You're winning.
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
And how many of these "wars" were declared by the spineless, do nothing, Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton?
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
None of them were declared by Tom Cotton but I believe he served in 2 of them. Also the one diverting and distracting is you as this thread is about the withdrawal. The invasion of 2003 happened and you can't go back in time to wish it away whether you hated the decision or not. The question is what should have been done in 2011 and the consequences of that. You are one of the last remaining people to argue that the withdrawal was the smart choice, that the results we are seeing today are in fact a good thing, that Obama has ISIS right where he wants them, that the Iraqis are stepping up and making things happen, that the other calamities in the middle east are just unrelated events. The decision has been an absolute disaster to the point that America is now ramping up it's troop presence and once again is losing people on the battlefield with no plan in place. At least prior to the withdrawal there was a plan for security and stability. Yes it was costly but it was a plan. Now there is nothing but endless suffering, war, terrorism, a refugee crisis and genocide. That's what happens when you break it and decide not to own it.
Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton's service in Iraq, while honorable as a member of our military, does not make him an expert on war strategy nor international relations. His endorsement and support for Trump, a hopeful commander in chief without a mention of Iraq or ME policy on his official campaign website makes him an idiot. An idiot who served his country nonetheless.
The problem with you neocons is that you continue to make your own new reality as it suites you. Failed disasterous policy followed by more failed disasterous policy, the invasion followed by the surge and yet you continue to put it on Obama. Sorry but you own it. But what does one expect of the neocon crowd? Replace one murdeous dictator with another. What's the difference?
The surge peaked in 2007 and troop numbers began declining. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. The troop reductions thus were Shrubs policy. Obama called Maliki's bluff as well he should have.
You claimed that I'm the only one who claims the surge failed. Clearly I'm not and I'll take a retired general's opinion as artculated in the below over some smoke your blowing out your ass any day. Now you own two failed Iraq war policies. See? You're winning.
No. I claimed you're one of the last remaining people to argue the withdrawal was a smart choice. You don't read my posts. Also if you don't like "failed disastrous policy after failed disastrous policy" then stop supporting a lady who keeps participating in them. She is the neocon in this race.
I stand corrected but yes the withdrawal was a smart choice. And this graphic, among not supporting and continuing two previous failed policies with a third, is why (it's the table on the left):
I stand corrected but yes the withdrawal was a smart choice. And this graphic, among not supporting and continuing two previous failed policies with a third, is why (it's the table on the left):
That graphic shows casualties on the upswing in 2016 and it will probably go higher now that the US is engaged in Mosul. Feel free to also post the graphic detailing civilian casualities in Iraq, Syria and Libya since the time of withdrawal as well along with maybe another detailing the increase in refugees. This is the vacuum the withdrawal is responsible for but I understand if it is only US lives that you care about.
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Why is it that those with the least amount of skin in the game bang the war drum loudest?
Has Canada recalled its ambassador from the Philippines yet for their pivot to China? Some ally you are.
And personally? I'd love to see the US withdraw all US troops from the ME and let Canada have a shot at being the big boy. You're advocating that to your elected representatives, right? You want to own that and show us how it's done, right?
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/06/25/the-biggest-military-budgets-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-infographic-2/#79f5a87b4064
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/clinton-vows-no-more-troops-in-iraq-as-trump-slams-dumbest-foreign-policy?0p19G=e
You back a candidate who's official campaign website doesn't even come up in a google search of "trump Iraq policy."
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http://theweek.com/articles/655826/why-wont-anyone-admit-that-america-fighting-5-wars?utm_content=buffer1f32c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
And you continue to support a candidate who has supported all of these wars since the very early days. It is clear that you are just not serious in your principled opposition to war.
Divert and distract. We were discussing Iraq so feel free to start 4 more threads.
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Do you have a reason to think it would be kept secret if we did lose some? The death of a Canadian soldier is always big news. I know of no evidence at all that would make you suspect that would be kept confidential. Just seems paranoid.
Good thing the US and Canada both sent observers
The problem with you neocons is that you continue to make your own new reality as it suites you. Failed disasterous policy followed by more failed disasterous policy, the invasion followed by the surge and yet you continue to put it on Obama. Sorry but you own it. But what does one expect of the neocon crowd? Replace one murdeous dictator with another. What's the difference?
The surge peaked in 2007 and troop numbers began declining. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. The troop reductions thus were Shrubs policy. Obama called Maliki's bluff as well he should have.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007
You claimed that I'm the only one who claims the surge failed. Clearly I'm not and I'll take a retired general's opinion as artculated in the below over some smoke your blowing out your ass any day. Now you own two failed Iraq war policies. See? You're winning.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/17/why-surge-iraq-actually-failed-and-what-that-means-today/0NaI9JrbtSs1pAZvgzGtaL/story.html
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http://icasualties.org/
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