to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........
actually we are waiting to see who's bullets they were, I'm not saying the club members handled thier dispute the right or wrong way but the police knew about the meeting that was taking place amung the many clubs and positioned themselfs out side and after one club member pulled a gun(during a knife fight) the ATF I believe it was started to fire with automatic weapons, the bodies in the morge are awaiting autopoies for cause of death and bullet I.D, and the one club that was not invited showed up anyway and that's when the problem started I think, but you are right it if was black panther meeting Al Sharpton would be all over the white police officers for hate crimes..even if some of the club members are/were mexican bikers it don't matter to Al unless they're black.
Godfather.
I know we are waiting to see whose bullets they were. I think you may have misread my post.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
^^^ We haven't heard any mention of the ATF firing automatic weapons, on the news report here. If it turns out that any of the 1%-ters cause of death was due to ATF fire, holy hell is gonna break loose worse than what's already brewing. Here's a link to what the Former Hells Angel's President says about this mess.
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
this is the issue. there really is no basis for comparison. the cultural epidemic is not just the level of crime, it is how it is reacted to by law enforcement.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
this is the issue. there really is no basis for comparison. the cultural epidemic is not just the level of crime, it is how it is reacted to by law enforcement.
If I'm not mistaken, many of the dead were shot by the police. What am I missing?
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
Take the word "biker" out and re-read your statement... Then think about the fact that 53.3% of gang murders are committed by whites... More than blacks.. What are you missing? The better question is what are you getting?
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
this is the issue. there really is no basis for comparison. the cultural epidemic is not just the level of crime, it is how it is reacted to by law enforcement.
If I'm not mistaken, many of the dead were shot by the police. What am I missing?
last I read, that was still unknown. source?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
Take the word "biker" out and re-read your statement... Then think about the fact that 53.3% of gang murders are committed by whites... More than blacks.. What are you missing? The better question is what are you getting?
Source? Not that I don't believe you, but it seems high.
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No, the basis of the argument is the level of crime which is considered a cultural epidemic worthy of national outrage in blacks, yet is ignored as a cultural issue in whites.
Are white biker gang shootings a national epidemic? Should there be more outrage for this?
Take the word "biker" out and re-read your statement... Then think about the fact that 53.3% of gang murders are committed by whites... More than blacks.. What are you missing? The better question is what are you getting?
Source? Not that I don't believe you, but it seems high.
Department Of Justice I have only seen a PDF download, no webpage for the trends... there is a link to it in this article: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7307050
The link is to the download is in the 53.3% statistic itself.
to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........
Great point!
Hugh...
Can you please clarify exactly what you are implying here?
Thanks in advance.
I'm implying that if it were black "bikers" shot, and police were on hand during that, the general public would not have waited for the results of who shot whom. Riots would have ensued immediately with everyone assuming the cops were somehow involved. Guaranteed.
It is a comment on the current state of race relations in the US, not on anything but that.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
^^^ We haven't heard any mention of the ATF firing automatic weapons, on the news report here. If it turns out that any of the 1%-ters cause of death was due to ATF fire, holy hell is gonna break loose worse than what's already brewing. Here's a link to what the Former Hells Angel's President says about this mess.
most motorcycle clubs (that I know of) would never go to war with the police and they don't riot and loot business's, the major players have lawyers that are members as well as politically involved members...believe it or not and not to mention large buniness holdings and some of these larger clubs have the support of smaller clubs who would not make a stupid move like retaliation aginst the police, I'm not saying it never happenes but these days most clubs try to keep a lower profile or a cleaner image.
to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........
actually we are waiting to see who's bullets they were, I'm not saying the club members handled thier dispute the right or wrong way but the police knew about the meeting that was taking place amung the many clubs and positioned themselfs out side and after one club member pulled a gun(during a knife fight) the ATF I believe it was started to fire with automatic weapons, the bodies in the morge are awaiting autopoies for cause of death and bullet I.D, and the one club that was not invited showed up anyway and that's when the problem started I think, but you are right it if was black panther meeting Al Sharpton would be all over the white police officers for hate crimes..even if some of the club members are/were mexican bikers it don't matter to Al unless they're black.
Godfather.
I know we are waiting to see whose bullets they were. I think you may have misread my post.
^^^ We haven't heard any mention of the ATF firing automatic weapons, on the news report here. If it turns out that any of the 1%-ters cause of death was due to ATF fire, holy hell is gonna break loose worse than what's already brewing. Here's a link to what the Former Hells Angel's President says about this mess.
most motorcycle clubs (that I know of) would never go to war with the police and they don't riot and loot business's, the major players have lawyers that are members as well as politically involved members...believe it or not and not to mention large buniness holdings and some of these larger clubs have the support of smaller clubs who would not make a stupid move like retaliation aginst the police, I'm not saying it never happenes but these days most clubs try to keep a lower profile or a cleaner image.
Godfather.
I'm not implying that any of the clubs are stupid enough to go to war against the cops, I'm referring to whoever started the domino effect that will most likely end very badly. Like Pat ( yeah, I know him) said in the tape there will be most likely some sort of retaliation and that's the holy hell I was referring too. I am perfectly aware of lawyers, doctors, political connections within the clubs etc... as well as the many charity runs that some clubs organize. I know that they don't riot and loot businesses, and they prefer to keep a low profile. My former father in law ( who has since passed from brain cancer) was a patch holder and president of a club and when talking to my ex over dinner we were discussing what happened in Waco and what is real and what is perceived.
well it seems that all dead were shot by police and most were killed with head and trunk shots(sounds like sniper fire to me) one man took 2 shots to the chest, this is an attack on motorcycle clubs across the nation in my opinion,we'll have to watch this and see how it plays out in the media.
well it seems that all dead were shot by police and most were killed with head and trunk shots(sounds like sniper fire to me) one man took 2 shots to the chest, this is an attack on motorcycle clubs across the nation in my opinion,we'll have to watch this and see how it plays out in the media.
Godfather.
I'm sure you're not the only one that has that opinion. We did find it odd that when the fight spilled out on the patio that they would fire at the police unless fired upon first.
to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........
Great point!
Hugh...
Can you please clarify exactly what you are implying here?
Thanks in advance.
I'm implying that if it were black "bikers" shot, and police were on hand during that, the general public would not have waited for the results of who shot whom. Riots would have ensued immediately with everyone assuming the cops were somehow involved. Guaranteed.
It is a comment on the current state of race relations in the US, not on anything but that.
Armed white motorcycle thugs popping rounds > unarmed black men, some fleeing. Unbelievable that you have sympathy for one but not the other.
would you feel better if the "white motorcycle clubs" rioted in the streets, burned down the town and looted the stores ? btw look at the list of the dead and wounded plus the arrested members, you will see not all bikers are white.
Armed white motorcycle thugs popping rounds > unarmed black men, some fleeing. Unbelievable that you have sympathy for one but not the other.
would you feel better if the "white motorcycle clubs" rioted in the streets, burned down the town and looted the stores ? btw look at the list of the dead and wounded plus the arrested members, you will see not all bikers are white.
Godfather.
Motorcycle thugs, white or otherwise, who show up in a strip mall, 200+ strong armed to rumble, who start popping off rounds and stabbing one another in a public place open for business on a fine Sunday morning deserve to be shot by the police as they are/were a threat to public safety. Fleeing unarmed black suspects behind on their child support, or selling single cigs on the streets of NYC or an unarmed black teenager walking home in the rain being followed by an over zealous neighborhood watch volunteer or the 12 year old playing with a BB gun, do not deserve to be shot in the back, strangled or otherwise eliminated. Did you watch the video Mr. Lux posted? The arriving cop just couldn't deal when it was a black kid with an Ar-15 but the white kid? I'll just walk up and talk to him and ask him what he's doing? You still can't see the bias can you Godfather? Sad.
Do you have a source that backs your claim that all nine deceased members were shot by the cops, some with head and/or two chest shots, probably sniper fire?
what's sad is that every fucking thing that happens turns into a race issue...(if he was white he would still be alive or if he was black the cops would have killed him) I'm really burnt out on the race bating bullshit.
what's sad is that every fucking thing that happens turns into a race issue...(if he was white he would still be alive or if he was black the cops would have killed him) I'm really burnt out on the race bating bullshit.
Godfather.
So what? You are burnt out. Who cares? Your feelings don't change the reality of the situation.
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What are you missing?
The better question is what are you getting?
-EV 8/14/93
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I have only seen a PDF download, no webpage for the trends... there is a link to it in this article:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7307050
The link is to the download is in the 53.3% statistic itself.
Somehow civilians and cops were not hurt
We aren't protesting that cops went to shooting these idiots.
These idiots are all being held at $1M bond a piece. That is some pretty serious precedent considering almost 200 arrests.
And any idiot bikers entering Waco are getting arrested and tossed in the clinker for minimal cause.
Good.
Can you please clarify exactly what you are implying here?
Thanks in advance.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
this is going to be interesting.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It is a comment on the current state of race relations in the US, not on anything but that.
-EV 8/14/93
I'm not saying it never happenes but these days most clubs try to keep a lower profile or a cleaner image.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.
I'm sure you're not the only one that has that opinion. We did find it odd that when the fight spilled out on the patio that they would fire at the police unless fired upon first.
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Do you have a source that backs your claim that all nine deceased members were shot by the cops, some with head and/or two chest shots, probably sniper fire?
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