Waco-How Long Before....................

Halifax2TheMax

The perps are referred to as "thugs?" Anywhere?

hedonist

I called them assholes when talking with my guy earlier.

Hope that counts (fingers crossed! )

Halifax2TheMax

hedonist said:

I called them assholes when talking with my guy earlier.

Hope that counts (fingers crossed! )

I think that's an insult to assholes of the anatomical variety.

hedonist

No no! And I'll pull the Denis Leary card to prove my point.

There are assholes, and then there are ASSHOLES.

Actually, I think these dipshits showed us a whole new world of stupidity and the wishful measuring of (figurative?) dicks.

mickeyrat

here. THOSE are thugs. whoever thought it a good idea to have 5 rival clubs in th esame place ON PURPOSE needs their fucking head examined.

brianlux

hedonist said:

No no! And I'll pull the Denis Leary card to prove my point.

There are assholes, and then there are ASSHOLES.

Actually, I think these dipshits showed us a whole new world of stupidity and the wishful measuring of (figurative?) dicks.

Yes but assholes serve a useful purpose. Hemorrhoids on the other hand...

And what the hell is it with Waco anyway? That stand-off/shootout with the Branch Davidians in '93-- craziness. And now this. Madness.

Also, I have to ask this- and no offense meant to any bikers here- but what is it with motorcycle clubs/gangs anyway? I'm sure their not all bad BUT... I knew people who were at Altamont and they told tales of how freaking scary that was. I had a friend who was pistol whipped nearly to death by a biker gang in the Bay Area. I was surrounded for a few miles by a large biker gang while driving alone on US 50 in Nevada once and was shitting bricks the whole time. 'Scuse my language but, fuck that shit!

Last-12-Exit

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

callen

Twin peaks location become scapegoat. Lost franchise.

We love us some guns and we'll continue to have gun battles. Yee haw.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid.
The national conversation about this incident is proof of the way black crime is treated differently. Where is the outrage about the white crime epidemic?

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

"Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white."

Where are the conversations about white culture and violence, the conversations about broken families, and where is Fox News with the throwing around of the term "thug"?

rgambs

Comedian Kerry Coddett:
In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.
So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it's the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all -- white lives matter, too.

JimmyV

These guys are clearly thugs and there has been plenty of coverage of this incident. Also, there is an ongoing dialogue regarding both the violent nature of and problems created by outlaw biker gangs. It dates back to at least the 1960's. And in pop culture, the biker thugs in Sons of Anarchy weren't exceptionally different from the gang members in The Wire.

If this incident led to hours of unrest, with giant crowds in the street and a city being burned, the cable networks would have the exact same wall-to-wall coverage we saw in Baltimore.

Indifference71

What a bunch of fucking animals. Thugs, assholes, animals....many words to describe these people. It's like a ridiculous Sons of Anarchy scene in real life. Crazy.

muskydan

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid.
The national conversation about this incident is proof of the way black crime is treated differently. Where is the outrage about the white crime epidemic?

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

"Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white."

Where are the conversations about white culture and violence, the conversations about broken families, and where is Fox News with the throwing around of the term "thug"?

Come on Man, you can't be serious w/ your first and last comment ??

rgambs

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid.
The national conversation about this incident is proof of the way black crime is treated differently. Where is the outrage about the white crime epidemic?

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

"Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white."

Where are the conversations about white culture and violence, the conversations about broken families, and where is Fox News with the throwing around of the term "thug"?

Come on Man, you can't be serious w/ your first and last comment ??

Of course I am. Care to refute the statistics?
Or are you like the Romney campaign and cons in general, who won't let facts get in the way of their views.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Yes that is exactly what people would prefer.
SMFH

You may not care what these asshole get called, but the racial disparity in applying some terms matters to some people.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Yes that is exactly what people would prefer.
SMFH

You may not care what these asshole get called, but the racial disparity in applying some terms matters to some people.

Has it been clearly established that 'thug' is a racist term? I thought it has only been established in the minds of some. I thought that the term was not exclusive for criminals of the black skinned variety. I thought that cases were presented that showed the term appropriately used for criminals of the white skinned variety by major media sources. I also thought that many here typically thought of 'thug' as the- get this now- stereotypical white mobster.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

So let me SMFH as I continue to watch you try and make this an issue.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Not bad. It's a bit wordy, though, so the media may want to shorten it. We could just go with human being.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Yes that is exactly what people would prefer.
SMFH

You may not care what these asshole get called, but the racial disparity in applying some terms matters to some people.

Has it been clearly established that 'thug' is a racist term? I thought it has only been established in the minds of some. I thought that the term was not exclusive for criminals of the black skinned variety. I thought that cases were presented that showed the term appropriately used for criminals of the white skinned variety by major media sources. I also thought that many here typically thought of 'thug' as the- get this now- stereotypical white mobster.

"Element" isn't a racist term either, and yet it has been used to disparage a certain race on these very boards. This is bigger than the word thug, as crime statistics continually show.
You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that black and white crime is reported in the same way if you wish.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid.
The national conversation about this incident is proof of the way black crime is treated differently. Where is the outrage about the white crime epidemic?

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

"Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white."

Where are the conversations about white culture and violence, the conversations about broken families, and where is Fox News with the throwing around of the term "thug"?

According to your statistics, 91% of black people are killed by other blacks as opposed to 82% of whites. So, what's your argument again?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Yes that is exactly what people would prefer.
SMFH

You may not care what these asshole get called, but the racial disparity in applying some terms matters to some people.

Has it been clearly established that 'thug' is a racist term? I thought it has only been established in the minds of some. I thought that the term was not exclusive for criminals of the black skinned variety. I thought that cases were presented that showed the term appropriately used for criminals of the white skinned variety by major media sources. I also thought that many here typically thought of 'thug' as the- get this now- stereotypical white mobster.

"Element" isn't a racist term either, and yet it has been used to disparage a certain race on these very boards. This is bigger than the word thug, as crime statistics continually show.
You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that black and white crime is reported in the same way if you wish.

I agree there is an obvious disparity. I disagree that the term 'thug' is code talk for a nation of racists to demean a race.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The term dirtbags comes to mind first with my vernacular.

Does it matter? Call these assholes whatever you want. I don't care.

Issue aside... I get a kick out of how people take exception to how we describe people who commit crimes. I suppose some would prefer that in the future, we call people who commit crimes something like 'a human being with a misfortunate upbringing who made a bad error as a result of that and now needs our support'.

Yes that is exactly what people would prefer.
SMFH

You may not care what these asshole get called, but the racial disparity in applying some terms matters to some people.

Has it been clearly established that 'thug' is a racist term? I thought it has only been established in the minds of some. I thought that the term was not exclusive for criminals of the black skinned variety. I thought that cases were presented that showed the term appropriately used for criminals of the white skinned variety by major media sources. I also thought that many here typically thought of 'thug' as the- get this now- stereotypical white mobster.

"Element" isn't a racist term either, and yet it has been used to disparage a certain race on these very boards. This is bigger than the word thug, as crime statistics continually show.
You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that black and white crime is reported in the same way if you wish.

I agree there is an obvious disparity. I disagree that the term 'thug' is code talk for a nation of racists to demean a race.

Depends on context. Simple.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think this belongs in the rejected thread ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid.
The national conversation about this incident is proof of the way black crime is treated differently. Where is the outrage about the white crime epidemic?

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

"Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white."

Where are the conversations about white culture and violence, the conversations about broken families, and where is Fox News with the throwing around of the term "thug"?

According to your statistics, 91% of black people are killed by other blacks as opposed to 82% of whites. So, what's your argument again?

That's your takeaway? An edge in percentage of same-race crime? Ignoring the national conversation and the other aspects of the statistics to point out one factor that is only tangentially relevant?

Last-12-Exit

That is the basis of your argument, is it not?

Halifax2TheMax

Apparently, rgambs and I aren't the only ones pondering this question.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/opinions/kohn-biker-shooting-waco/index.html

hedonist

I'm sure there are many ponderers. It's not a bad thing.

Anyway, I found this somewhat over the top:

One of the most distinct characteristics of white privilege is the privilege to be unique. When white people commit violent acts, they are treated as aberrations, slips described with adjectives that show they are unusual and in no way representative of the broader racial group to which they belong.

People will see what they want, and ascribe motives in the same way.

Godfather.

find out where they hold church meetings and let them know how displeased you are with them and then tell them about the asshole/dirtbag/thug thing and Im sure they would listen and take your advice on how to be a better person.
in fact you can pull over any biker with a patch on his back and tell them what you think of "biker gangs" I'm sure they would love your input on social behavier and the dos and don'ts of public gatherings, don't be shy they don't bite and when you're finished come on back and tell us how you made out.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

If it makes anyone feel better, I think they are thugs.

HughFreakingDillon

to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

to put this in perspective....had it been 9 black guys killed in this.....we wouldn't be patiently waiting to see whose bullets they were.........

actually we are waiting to see who's bullets they were, I'm not saying the club members handled thier dispute the right or wrong way but the police knew about the meeting that was taking place amung the many clubs and positioned themselfs out side and after one club member pulled a gun(during a knife fight) the ATF I believe it was started to fire with automatic weapons, the bodies in the morge are awaiting autopoies for cause of death and bullet I.D, and the one club that was not invited showed up anyway and that's when the problem started I think, but you are right it if was black panther meeting Al Sharpton would be all over the white police officers for hate crimes..even if some of the club members are/were mexican bikers it don't matter to Al unless they're black.

Godfather.