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josevolution

Yeah ok muskydan so he broke his own spine in the back of the van that's what your putting your chips on ok yeah that's the truth your fellow cops are putting forth , I don't believe it for crap I believe they broke his back before putting him in the van , talk about spin boy oh boy ...

backseatLover12

Last-12-Exit said:

Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.

And a Good Morning to you. It is not up to me to have a discussion about racism, it takes a village (of AMT members) to carry on a real discussion. But thanks for looking to me to have a dialogue (which in the past, has been ultimately with Callen only).

Carry on. Good stuff so far, the articles from Dignig, and this from Brian: "...if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive."

backseatLover12

dignin said:

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/12/09/the-worst-states-for-black-americans/

Interesting. I wanted to FF to the states:
10. Arkansas
Pct. residents black: 15.7%
> Black homeownership rate: 42.8% (15th highest)
> Black incarceration rate: 2,432 per 100,000 people (24th highest)
> Black unemployment rate: 16.5% (tied-4th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 7.8% (14th highest)

9. Kansas
> Pct. residents black: 5.8%
> Black homeownership rate: 36.1% (22nd lowest)
> Black incarceration rate: 3,306 per 100,000 people (9th highest)
> Black unemployment rate: 11.8% (14th lowest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 5.6% (12th lowest)

8. New Jersey
> Pct. residents black: 13.7%
> Black homeownership rate: 39.1% (23rd highest)
> Black incarceration rate: 1,992 per 100,000 people (13th lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 13.0% (21st lowest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 8.2% (7th highest)

7.Connecticut
> Pct. residents black: 10.3%
> Black homeownership rate: 35.0% (21st lowest)
> Black incarceration rate: 2,260 per 100,000 people (21st lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 13.3% (20th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 7.7% (15th highest)

6. Michigan
> Pct. residents black: 13.9%
> Black homeownership rate: 42.6% (16th highest)
> Black incarceration rate: 2,169 per 100,000 people (18th lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 16.5% (tied-4th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 8.6% (6th highest)

5. Pennsylvania
> Pct. residents black: 11.0%
> Black homeownership rate: 43.1% (14th highest)
> Black incarceration rate: 3,269 per 100,000 people (10th highest)
> Black unemployment rate: 14.4% (15th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 7.5% (20th highest)

4.Illinois
> Pct. residents black: 14.2%
> Black homeownership rate: 38.5% (25th highest)
> Black incarceration rate: 2,128 per 100,000 people (17th lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 17.0% (3rd highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 9.1% (3rd highest)

3. Rhode Island
> Pct. residents black: 6.4%
> Black homeownership rate: 29.4% (10th lowest)
> Black incarceration rate: 1,884 per 100,000 people (11th lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 16.0% (6th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 9.2% (2nd highest)

2. Minnesota
> Pct. residents black: 5.4%
> Black homeownership rate: 25.7% (5th lowest)
> Black incarceration rate: 2,321 per 100,000 people (22nd lowest)
> Black unemployment rate: 15.0% (tied-11th lowest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 4.9% (9th lowest)

1. Wisconsin
> Pct. residents black: 6.2%
> Black homeownership rate: 28.1% (7th lowest)
> Black incarceration rate: 4,042 per 100,000 people (3rd highest)
> Black unemployment rate: 15.0% (tied-11th highest)
> Unemployment rate, all people: 6.7% (21st lowest)

JimmyV

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

This is too good not to share

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/white-people-rioting-for-no-reason.html

Stupid people doing stupid things. Not entirely different from what we saw in Baltimore. One difference is that no one claimed the rioters in Boston or Vancouver or Denver were anything other than stupid. No one wasted much time or energy trying to understand why these misbegotten youths were destroying their cities. They were just people who wanted to destroy stuff. Just like in Baltimore.

I disagree. After the riots in Vancouver, the media and the country as a whole asked why this happened. This went on for months.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/vancouver-not-typical-sports-riot-sociologist-says-1.1087616

"Sports riots vs. political riots

Compared to political riots, like the kind we've been seeing in Greece for weeks now, sports riots tend to be much shorter. Lewis found that they typically last two to three hours while political riots, including race riots, go on longer, sometimes for days and weeks at a time.

Another difference is that, while the key variables for sports riots are young males, in political riots women also participate.

Lewis pointed out that another difference is that political riots have very clear perceived causes. But with sports riots, as Carrothers said in our interview, "I don't know that in their minds, there is even an achievement part to it, it's really just an emotional release."

Leading social scientists like Mancur Olson, Charles Tilly and Sidney Tarrow in their studies presented political protests as performances.

In what they call contentious politics, there is a very small core group of leaders, a larger intermediate group that follows them, and a much larger group still that gets caught up in the action in order to make a political point, or bring about change.

Did anyone argue we needed to show empathy for these poor, disappointed souls?

josevolution

So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...

JimmyV

josevolution said:

So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...

Yes, there will definitely be a spin. That we know for sure.

These reports that he was trying to injure himself don't add up. How does one break their own back?

rgambs

muskydan said:

Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

Bang you Head...QR


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Aren't you done making predictions yet?
The nationwide MB riots, the resulting race war, the Rekia Boyd deflection, the Baltimore day 2 riots...none of which happened. I won't include the ISIS prediction because time enough hasn't passed yet.
So Grey severed his own spine eh?
Sure.

Last-12-Exit

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.

And a Good Morning to you. It is not up to me to have a discussion about racism, it takes a village (of AMT members) to carry on a real discussion. But thanks for looking to me to have a dialogue (which in the past, has been ultimately with Callen only).

Carry on. Good stuff so far, the articles from Dignig, and this from Brian: "...if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive."

My apologies, good morning to you too.

You have been by far the most vocal about bringing up race. If it isn't up to you, why is it up to me or anyone else?

muskydan

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

Bang you Head...QR


..

Aren't you done making predictions yet?
The nationwide MB riots, the resulting race war, the Rekia Boyd deflection, the Baltimore day 2 riots...none of which happened. I won't include the ISIS prediction because time enough hasn't passed yet.
So Grey severed his own spine eh?
Sure.

I guess we will see Gams....

I am surprised how you feel the possibility of a race war is out of the question and arguably already starting. Most of those things you mentioned above did happen, so I don't get that, but lets not play a he said she said game.

Anyhow, Here is a little hint when it comes to a extensive footchase around Da hood (active resisters). Bad things happen when officers are forced to get hands on w/ a subject..... Like a resisters back breaking with a pre-existing condition. Police are not paid to fight fair and once the cuffs are on its game over...if the police are found after the investigation tooning up Grey w/ the cuffs on, well all of them will be charged who were involved. The not strapping in Grey in the wagon most likeky will come back and bite them in the ass since that is procedure. However, It is comon when dealing w/ Dude if the Wagon is used who still wants to fight by spitting, head butting, you name it to just get him in an shut the door.

Wma31394

JimmyV said:

josevolution said:

So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...

Yes, there will definitely be a spin. That we know for sure.

These reports that he was trying to injure himself don't add up. How does one break their own back?

Easily...See Liar Liar courthouse bathroom scene..

Dirtie_Frank

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.

And a Good Morning to you. It is not up to me to have a discussion about racism, it takes a village (of AMT members) to carry on a real discussion. But thanks for looking to me to have a dialogue (which in the past, has been ultimately with Callen only).

Carry on. Good stuff so far, the articles from Dignig, and this from Brian: "...if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive."

The Almighty says, "Don't change the subject, just answer the fuckin' question."

inmytree

JimmyV said:

Never understood looting and burning your own neighborhood. Never will.

Yeah, it's hard to understand...what I do understand is that not everyone has the same education, support, and norms as I do...therefore...when events such as this happen, it will be difficult to understand...

what we can all do is look for the root factors...then we can begin to understand...

BOOM!!!!

anyhoo...if the cops would have put that fella in an ambulance instead of a police van, we would be talking about something else...

and I give zero fucks about is his race or record or why he was arrested...the dude was hurt, get him medical attention at the scene...it's that simple...

Jason P

root factor ... no home stability

I'm not able to fix that. And it's quite clear that government can't either. Government uses and promotes the most retarded form of gambling, the lotto, in a guise to raise money for education (yet I can't lay down a bet on a football game).

Who do you think is paying the most for lotto tickets???? Perhaps those with the least amount of education???

Last-12-Exit

inmytree said:

JimmyV said:

Never understood looting and burning your own neighborhood. Never will.

Yeah, it's hard to understand...what I do understand is that not everyone has the same education, support, and norms as I do...therefore...when events such as this happen, it will be difficult to understand...

what we can all do is look for the root factors...then we can begin to understand...

BOOM!!!!

anyhoo...if the cops would have put that fella in an ambulance instead of a police van, we would be talking about something else...

and I give zero fucks about is his race or record or why he was arrested...the dude was hurt, get him medical attention at the scene...it's that simple...

Do you really need an education to know that vandalizing, stealing, and setting fires is wrong?

JimmyV

We can look for root factors and determine a few pretty easily. We have throughout the thread. None of them, however, adequately explain burning down your own neighborhood. When we pretend they do we begin to cross the line from understanding into justification.

dignin

Last-12-Exit said:

inmytree said:

JimmyV said:

Never understood looting and burning your own neighborhood. Never will.

Yeah, it's hard to understand...what I do understand is that not everyone has the same education, support, and norms as I do...therefore...when events such as this happen, it will be difficult to understand...

what we can all do is look for the root factors...then we can begin to understand...

BOOM!!!!

anyhoo...if the cops would have put that fella in an ambulance instead of a police van, we would be talking about something else...

and I give zero fucks about is his race or record or why he was arrested...the dude was hurt, get him medical attention at the scene...it's that simple...

Do you really need an education to know that vandalizing, stealing, and setting fires is wrong?

We got it, rioting is wrong. They knew it was wrong, yet still did it. Thankfully some here are starting to ask why. Then we will get to the root of it.

inmytree

Last-12-Exit said:

inmytree said:

JimmyV said:

Never understood looting and burning your own neighborhood. Never will.

Yeah, it's hard to understand...what I do understand is that not everyone has the same education, support, and norms as I do...therefore...when events such as this happen, it will be difficult to understand...

what we can all do is look for the root factors...then we can begin to understand...

BOOM!!!!

anyhoo...if the cops would have put that fella in an ambulance instead of a police van, we would be talking about something else...

and I give zero fucks about is his race or record or why he was arrested...the dude was hurt, get him medical attention at the scene...it's that simple...

Do you really need an education to know that vandalizing, stealing, and setting fires is wrong?

perhaps...I know it's a hard to conceptualize...

I also mentioned norms and support...those are factors too...

anyhoo...I'd be willing to bet many of the rioters knew it was "wrong"....they didn't care...when you've got nothing to lose...you make different choices...

Jason P

dignin said:

We got it, rioting is wrong. They knew it was wrong, yet still did it. Thankfully some here are starting to ask why. Then we will get to the root of it.

It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

JimmyV

inmytree said:

Last-12-Exit said:

inmytree said:

JimmyV said:

Never understood looting and burning your own neighborhood. Never will.

Yeah, it's hard to understand...what I do understand is that not everyone has the same education, support, and norms as I do...therefore...when events such as this happen, it will be difficult to understand...

what we can all do is look for the root factors...then we can begin to understand...

BOOM!!!!

anyhoo...if the cops would have put that fella in an ambulance instead of a police van, we would be talking about something else...

and I give zero fucks about is his race or record or why he was arrested...the dude was hurt, get him medical attention at the scene...it's that simple...

Do you really need an education to know that vandalizing, stealing, and setting fires is wrong?

perhaps...I know it's a hard to conceptualize...

I also mentioned norms and support...those are factors too...

anyhoo...I'd be willing to bet many of the rioters knew it was "wrong"....they didn't care...when you've got nothing to lose...you make different choices...

Except they did have something to lose. Are those businesses coming back? Is the pharmacy with the walk-in clinic coming back? That was a resource that is now potentially lost forever and certainly lost for the foreseeable future.

dignin

Jason P said:

dignin said:

We got it, rioting is wrong. They knew it was wrong, yet still did it. Thankfully some here are starting to ask why. Then we will get to the root of it.

It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
It's getting harder, and harder, and harder each and every year