Why Are Republicans At War With Reality?

hedonist

rr165892 said:

Gimme,As an independant I will be voting Republican (Jeb)next election.I also am in agreement with many of your above issues.Not all but most.
So my scenario is why you can't lump everyone into the same box.Being a Fiscal conservative and more Socially progressive(I think this is kinda where Hedo is coming from also,if I'm wrong Hedo sorry).
I think there is a lot of folks who think like us.I can tell you I don't vote party,I vote person.
I think we all want basically the same things as long as we are not to far right or to far left.Dont you agree?

No, you got me right, rr. Great post, though I'm reserving my vote for now (pretty sure lots of shit is gonna go down in the interim!).

benjs

rr165892 said:

Gimme,As an independant I will be voting Republican (Jeb)next election.I also am in agreement with many of your above issues.Not all but most.
So my scenario is why you can't lump everyone into the same box.Being a Fiscal conservative and more Socially progressive(I think this is kinda where Hedo is coming from also,if I'm wrong Hedo sorry).
I think there is a lot of folks who think like us.I can tell you I don't vote party,I vote person.
I think we all want basically the same things as long as we are not to far right or to far left.Dont you agree?

Voting for a person is absolutely the way to go - in fact, if there were a way for modern politics to work without parties (and thus without party allegiances leading to biased and uninformed voting, party funding for absurdly lavish campaigning, party lobbying, party hats), I would be all for that. Seems to me that we wear more than two hats in North America (not just Democrat or Republican), while those are the only two hats that will be worn in office (i.e. independents just can't attain the votes, regardless of what they stand for).

rgambs

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

rgambs

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

hedonist

rgambs said:

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

It's not only that I don't like it, but I also don't support it - as with many things that do exist which I find repugnant. Just gotten so damned tired of this us vs them, you vs me, black vs white, ad nauseam mindset. How can anyone move beyond that in a constructive way when there is such staunchness and self-righteousness all over the place?

And, as you mention, the suckiness factor is subjective. So do any of us speak objectively?

callen

rr165892 said:

Gimme,As an independant I will be voting Republican (Jeb)next election.I also am in agreement with many of your above issues.Not all but most.
So my scenario is why you can't lump everyone into the same box.Being a Fiscal conservative and more Socially progressive(I think this is kinda where Hedo is coming from also,if I'm wrong Hedo sorry).
I think there is a lot of folks who think like us.I can tell you I don't vote party,I vote person.
I think we all want basically the same things as long as we are not to far right or to far left.Dont you agree?

And if it's Cruz and Hillary?

JimmyV

rgambs said:

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

Not sure this is true. Libertarians are certainly at odds with war hawks. Log Cabin Republicans are certainly at odds with social conservatives.

There are currently a 1/2 dozen or so candidates for the 2016 nomination with a chance to win at least one state. Compare that to the Democrats, where Hillary is almost a certainty. Some Democrats don't like her, but almost all will line up behind her. The GOP has lost the last two presidential elections, in part, because they didn't get their voters out to support McCain and Romney.

Don't get me wrong. The Republican Party is quite clearly the crazy party. I just wouldn't heap too much praise on the Democrats.

callen

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

callen

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

It's not only that I don't like it, but I also don't support it - as with many things that do exist which I find repugnant. Just gotten so damned tired of this us vs them, you vs me, black vs white, ad nauseam mindset. How can anyone move beyond that in a constructive way when there is such staunchness and self-righteousness all over the place?

And, as you mention, the suckiness factor is subjective. So do any of us speak objectively?

Tough. It is two sides against each other and it's good that people get called out in a callous way. Screw the let's all get along and not hurt feelings.

Republican platform and goals stated are horrid as Gimmie so wonderfully stated.

It would be an utter travesty to have idiot like Cruz choose next Supreme Court justice. Travesty.

hedonist

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

The fuck? I actually laughed at that.

And what / who is a Chiniqua?

hedonist

callen said:

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

It's not only that I don't like it, but I also don't support it - as with many things that do exist which I find repugnant. Just gotten so damned tired of this us vs them, you vs me, black vs white, ad nauseam mindset. How can anyone move beyond that in a constructive way when there is such staunchness and self-righteousness all over the place?

And, as you mention, the suckiness factor is subjective. So do any of us speak objectively?

Tough. It is two sides against each other and it's good that people get called out in a callous way. Screw the let's all get along and not hurt feelings.

Republican platform and goals stated are horrid as Gimmie so wonderfully stated.

It would be an utter travesty to have idiot like Cruz choose next Supreme Court justice. Travesty.

For what it's worth, my feelings are just fine. But, some of your posts are coming across in ways similar to the mindsets against which you're railing.

And..."tough"? OK, big fella!

callen

callen said:

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

I think this evasion of partisan politics is disingenuous. RR and Hedo, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it stop existing. There is a stark divide between the 2 parties and there is no viable middle option. You may not fall neatly into the Republican platform, but elected Republicans certainly do, anyone who votes for them empowers the party platform and votes for the things Gimme listed. You don't vote with your opinions, you vote with your vote.
It is also clear to anybody who is paying attention that there is a much greater diversity of ideas in the Democrat party than Republican. Republicans lockstep to the party line like lemmings.
We all know both parties suck, but they don't suck equally... Which sucks more depends on your worldview.
Interjecting the knowledge that people fall on a spectrum into every debate that involves the reality of partisan politics does nothing to further the discussion, and it hampers the flow of ideas around an issue.

It's not only that I don't like it, but I also don't support it - as with many things that do exist which I find repugnant. Just gotten so damned tired of this us vs them, you vs me, black vs white, ad nauseam mindset. How can anyone move beyond that in a constructive way when there is such staunchness and self-righteousness all over the place?

And, as you mention, the suckiness factor is subjective. So do any of us speak objectively?

Tough. It is two sides against each other and it's good that people get called out in a callous way. Screw the let's all get along and not hurt feelings.

Republican platform and goals stated are horrid as Gimmie so wonderfully stated.

hedonist said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

The fuck? I actually laughed at that.

And what / who is a Chiniqua?

All true. Sad but true.

Dirtie_Frank

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

benjs

Dirtie_Frank said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

I don't think that's what Callen meant at all. My take on his statement is that a large percentage of the population is fairly indifferent about politics, and thus might waive their rights to vote to bring change. Those with self-serving or malicious intent, however, will be far quicker (and louder) about placing their support for an act/entity aligned with their own wills.

callen

Dirtie_Frank said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

Come on now you're really surprised?

Many do.

Iran. Iraq. Evil doers. Only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

BS44325

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

Come on now you're really surprised?

Many do.

Iran. Iraq. Evil doers. Only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

This is beyond juvenile.

Kat

Closed for review.
Reopened.

Please be careful with choice of language/characterizations in a discussion. Thank you.

callen

BS44325 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

Come on now you're really surprised?

Many do.

Iran. Iraq. Evil doers. Only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

This is beyond juvenile.

Really BS? Heck who's wanting to bomb Iran? Middle East?

rr165892

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Gimme,As an independant I will be voting Republican (Jeb)next election.I also am in agreement with many of your above issues.Not all but most.
So my scenario is why you can't lump everyone into the same box.Being a Fiscal conservative and more Socially progressive(I think this is kinda where Hedo is coming from also,if I'm wrong Hedo sorry).
I think there is a lot of folks who think like us.I can tell you I don't vote party,I vote person.
I think we all want basically the same things as long as we are not to far right or to far left.Dont you agree?

And if it's Cruz and Hillary?

I would probably vote Hillary as she can be a moderate like slick Willie when not in Obamas admin.Not a fan at all with Cruz.

HughFreakingDillon

callen said:

BS44325 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

hedonist said:

Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

Likely a big difference, gimme.

And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

does it matter?

when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

yes they do.

care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?

So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.

Yes, in a way, unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong... Do you know why?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy, the majority of the people are supposed to be represented by their elected officials. If the people have a will, it is the job of our government to enact that will.
In all the issues Gimme mentioned, there is a consensus, a majority opinion which should be upheld by the people we elect to do so. They aren't doing so because of money in politics, and because of a regressive, neolithic, greed driven group of individuals who have hijacked one of our parties, and use the checks and balances of government to oppose all progress.

And democrats/liberals don't go to the polls like those that want to kill brown people, impose their belief system on rest of us, export all the illegals that support republican business's(though republican politicians have no real interest of doing so) and ensure Chiniqua doesn't get that entitlement.

So now if you don't vote liberal/democrat you want to kill brown people? What the fuck are you people on?

Come on now you're really surprised?

Many do.

Iran. Iraq. Evil doers. Only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

This is beyond juvenile.

Really BS? Heck who's wanting to bomb Iran? Middle East?

saying all republicans are racist is a stretch to say the least. i'd call it irresponsible.